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Here are a few features I'd like to see on the next generation Oppo Blu-Ray player:

1. Direct digital input for iPod/iPhone/iPad
2. DTS Headphone X or some other form of surround sound through headphone processing (ideally, Oppo could license the technology used in the Smyth Realizer, but I suspect that would be prohibitively expensive)
3. Audyssey MulitEQ, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ, so that the player can also function as a full fledged surround processor (and Oppo can introduce a compact multichannel amplifier in a matching chassis).
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Here are a few features I'd like to see on the next generation Oppo Blu-Ray player:

1. Direct digital input for iPod/iPhone/iPad
2. DTS Headphone X or some other form of surround sound through headphone processing (ideally, Oppo could license the technology used in the Smyth Realizer, but I suspect that would be prohibitively expensive)
3. Audyssey MulitEQ, Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ, so that the player can also function as a full fledged surround processor (and Oppo can introduce a compact multichannel amplifier in a matching chassis).

So you'd like about a dozen XLR outputs, a dozen RCA outputs, a dozen rca inputs, a nice big volume control, a more detailed display, audessey and DTS headphones making the unit cost about $2,500? (sure they could make it for less and everyone would complain about how Oppo sold its soul and put in cheap components to pander to walmart mouth breathers). Might as well have them throw in a smart remote, satellite and HD radio and a state of the art gaming HTPC with a DVR. Wouldn't you rather Oppo just make a great prepro that matches the quality of their optical player so you can upgrade your BR player every couple of years and your prepro far less often to keep costs down while affording you the opportunity to maintain a HT system with the most current technology and highest quality?
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I'll get the next BDP if it has a built-in wifi connection (right now i'm using the 93 and i love it but I don't like using a usb wifi dongle for it) and the wifi has to have dualband capabilities as well because I live in a neighborhood that has an abundance of 2.4ghz networks mainly because there are alot of university students that live around here whereas I seem to be the only one within my scanning range to have a 5ghz network. I would also love to see faster and smoother DLNA capabilities because my 93 can be pretty sluggish when I access the folders on my PC to watch movies, trailers, etc. What i mean by sluggish is that I get too much pausing when I try to scroll down the listings or even get a pausing when i attempt to select the video.
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I'll get the next BDP if it has a built-in wifi connection (right now i'm using the 93 and i love it but I don't like using a usb wifi dongle for it) and the wifi has to have dualband capabilities as well because I live in a neighborhood that has an abundance of 2.4ghz networks mainly because there are alot of university students that live around here whereas I seem to be the only one within my scanning range to have a 5ghz network. I would also love to see faster and smoother DLNA capabilities because my 93 can be pretty sluggish when I access the folders on my PC to watch movies, trailers, etc. What i mean by sluggish is that I get too much pausing when I try to scroll down the listings or even get a pausing when i attempt to select the video.

I agree that the wireless on the 93 and even the 103 isn't great. I ended up just putting in an airport express as a repeater and connecting it via RJ45 to my wireless repeater. While there are many excuses given why the oppo wireless is in the wrong position or blocked or something else, the airport express is in the EXACT same spot I tried the Oppo wireless dongle via usb cable and it was choppy as sin while the airport express was very smooth. Hopefully with the next version they'll select a new wifi manufacturing company and include 802.11ac.
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Here are a few features I'd like to see on the next generation Oppo Blu-Ray player:

1. Direct digital input for iPod/iPhone/iPad
That would be a big plus. I currently use my IPod Classic with my 80.3 and it works quite well, all recorded in lossless.

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So you'd like about a dozen XLR outputs, a dozen RCA outputs, a dozen rca inputs, a nice big volume control, a more detailed display, audessey and DTS headphones making the unit cost about $2,500? (sure they could make it for less and everyone would complain about how Oppo sold its soul and put in cheap components to pander to walmart mouth breathers). Might as well have them throw in a smart remote, satellite and HD radio and a state of the art gaming HTPC with a DVR. Wouldn't you rather Oppo just make a great prepro that matches the quality of their optical player so you can upgrade your BR player every couple of years and your prepro far less often to keep costs down while affording you the opportunity to maintain a HT system with the most current technology and highest quality?

The Oppo already has all the outputs it needs. It even has a volume control. It also has digital inputs and HDMI inputs. I'm just saying that with a little more functionality, there's really no need for a separate processor. You can already hook the Oppo up to a multichannel amplifier, but adding room EQ and similar features would be a big plus.

I'm sure Oppo could come up with a great processor if they wanted to, but it would duplicate much of what the Oppo BDP already does.
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OPPO already incorporate DIRAC in their phones, it could be easy for them to put in their Blu ray player, that would be fantastic

http://www.dirac.se/en/news-events/latest-news/oppo-find-5-smartphone-announced-with-dirac-hd-sound.aspx
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The Oppo already has all the outputs it needs. It even has a volume control. It also has digital inputs and HDMI inputs. I'm just saying that with a little more functionality, there's really no need for a separate processor. You can already hook the Oppo up to a multichannel amplifier, but adding room EQ and similar features would be a big plus.

I'm sure Oppo could come up with a great processor if they wanted to, but it would duplicate much of what the Oppo BDP already does.

You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have. I'm having a very difficult time finding ANY XLR outputs on my 103.

This is the back of my 103


This is the back of my prepro


If you squint you might be able to make out some slight differences in the outputs of each.

This most of the info my 103 can display


This is some of the information my AVP can display


This is the volume control button on my Oppo


This is the volume control knob on my Denon


My preamp also has a switched output to allow me to control my amp power through my power conditioner.

The Denon has built in audyssey - the upgrade on that was VERY exensive for licensing so while there is a mark up, I'm sure Oppo would also mark up their Audyssey licensing so I'd like to limit the financial impact by paying for it on the item I upgrade the least frequently.

I'm all for a cheaper Preamp - trust me! I tried the Onkyo and wasted about $1000 on utter crap. The Denon is great but very expensive. I hope Oppo makes a GREAT prepro soon with HDMI 2.0 but I really don't want a $1500 BR player. I'd rather get a $500 BR player and a $1000 prepro.
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[quote name="boe" url="/t/1365649/You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have.[/quote]

I'm referring to the BDP-105. It has analog 7.1 outputs as well as a separate dedicated stereo output (both balanced and unbalanced). It has an HDMI input on the front and the back, as well as coaxial, optical and USB digital inputs. Does it have as many digital audio and video inputs as a stand alone A/V processor? No, but it has enough for people with a modest system, and there are plenty of affordable HDMI and digital audio switchboxes.
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[quote name="boe" url="/t/1365649/You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have.

I'm referring to the BDP-105. It has analog 7.1 outputs as well as a separate dedicated stereo output (both balanced and unbalanced). It has an HDMI input on the front and the back, as well as coaxial, optical and USB digital inputs. Does it have as many digital audio and video inputs as a stand alone A/V processor? No, but it has enough for people with a modest system, and there are plenty of affordable HDMI and digital audio switchboxes.[/quote]

I guess I don't think of people with $1000 BR players going for modest systems. But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option. I'll be happy with the $500 103 model and hope they come out with a great prepro separate so I can upgrade each component when I feel it is time rather than replacing everything at the same time.
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You must have a very different version of the 103 than I have. I'm having a very difficult time finding ANY XLR outputs on my 103.
XLR outputs aren't an absolute requirement for everyone on a preamp, nor did the other poster make any claims that the 103 has them.
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If you squint you might be able to make out some slight differences in the outputs of each.
In all honesty how many of the inputs do you actually use on your Denon AVP? On mine, I'm using all the HDMI inputs, the 7.1 input (for testing the analog outputs on my Oppo BDP-105) and a stereo analog input for my phono preamp. That last one would be a sticking point for me in using the current Oppo's as a preamp replacement, but for a relatively simple system with only a few (digital) sources, quite a few people could theoretically get by without a dedicated surround processor.
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This is the volume control button on my Oppo
Did you check the remote that came your Oppo? There are volume up/down and mute buttons on it.
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My preamp also has a switched output to allow me to control my amp power through my power conditioner.
One could use the USB ports on the Oppo for that if running it in energy efficient mode.
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The Denon has built in audyssey - the upgrade on that was VERY exensive for licensing so while there is a mark up, I'm sure Oppo would also mark up their Audyssey licensing so I'd like to limit the financial impact by paying for it on the item I upgrade the least frequently.
The Denon AVP upgrade included more than just the new version of Audyssey.
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I'm all for a cheaper Preamp - trust me! I tried the Onkyo and wasted about $1000 on utter crap. The Denon is great but very expensive. I hope Oppo makes a GREAT prepro soon with HDMI 2.0 but I really don't want a $1500 BR player. I'd rather get a $500 BR player and a $1000 prepro.
While I don't agree with the tone of your post as it's over the board in sarcasm, I too am not a fan of turning a Bluray player into a full blown surround processor as I'd also prefer to keep the 2 boxes separate.
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XLR outputs aren't an absolute requirement for everyone on a preamp, nor did the other poster make any claims that the 103 has them.
In all honesty how many of the inputs do you actually use on your Denon AVP? On mine, I'm using all the HDMI inputs, the 7.1 input (for testing the analog outputs on my Oppo BDP-105) and a stereo analog input for my phono preamp. That last one would be a sticking point for me in using the current Oppo's as a preamp replacement, but for a relatively simple system with only a few (digital) sources, quite a few people could theoretically get by without a dedicated surround processor.
Did you check the remote that came your Oppo? There are volume up/down and mute buttons on it.
One could use the USB ports on the Oppo for that if running it in energy efficient mode.
The Denon AVP upgrade included more than just the new version of Audyssey.
While I don't agree with the tone of your post as it's over the board in sarcasm, I too am not a fan of turning a Bluray player into a full blown surround processor as I'd also prefer to keep the 2 boxes separate.


I challenged his assentation in his second post that the Oppo had enough outputs on it after I already stated I didn't think it had enough - that is the only place in my post you'll find sarcasm which was tongue in cheek and not meant to be belittling.

As for how many inputs do I want -
One input for the TV
One input for the BR player (which I admit wouldn't be necessary for someone with an all in one - but I wouldn't want one so I'd still need it).
One input for the HTPC
One input for the phonograph
One input for the gaming console

I have seen the remote thanks - frequently when I'm putting in a BR or walking to the kitchen or to get my phone, I will use the large volume control on my device itself as the remote isn't always handy.

One could use the USB on the Oppo for power provided your power conditioner has usb input for power control - most do not that I've looked at over the years. Although I admit most of the ones I've looked at were Monster and Belkin - the two largest power conditioning companies for HT products that seem ubiquitous in most common HT locations and even some of the more esoteric ones.

Yes, the Denon upgrade did include more than just the new version of Audyssey.

Again I didn't think my post had that much sarcasm, you are welcome to believe what you will. And once you get over the kidding I gave them at the beginning, you'll also be able to read where I stated I wasn't against him having a choice of an all in one box - just that it wouldn't be my ideal solution.
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As for how many inputs do I want -
One input for the TV
One input for the BR player
One input for the HTPC
One input for the phonograph
One input for the gaming console
Like I said, I've got a complex system too (I've actually got more sources than you listed) and using the Oppo (as-is) as a preamp replacement isn't an option for me. So we agree on that point and you don't need to convince me otherwise.

But if the Oppo has enough outputs for HIS needs, then what's the problem with that? If it's got enough inputs for HIS needs, what's the problem with that? He's not suggesting that YOU have to use it as a replacement for your Denon AVP.
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One could use the USB on the Oppo for power provided your power conditioner has usb input for power control - most do not. If you think I'm just making it up - look at Monster and Belkin - the two largest power conditioning companies for HT products and look at their lines up until recently, most do not have that function.
It's simple enough to build an adapter cable that extracts the power feed from the USB cable and converts it to a 5VDC 1/8" jack or bare wires. Once that is done, it can be used as a trigger for many amps and/or power conditioners. If 12VDC is needed, there are ways to get there, though it takes more effort. The point is that, again, this may be a solution that satisfies the need for some people and nobody is forcing you to go down that path.

When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.
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Like I said, I've got a complex system too (I've actually got more sources than you listed) and using the Oppo (as-is) as a preamp replacement isn't an option for me. So we agree on that point and you don't need to convince me otherwise.

But if the Oppo has enough outputs for HIS needs, then what's the problem with that? If it's got enough inputs for HIS needs, what's the problem with that? He's not suggesting that YOU have to use it as a replacement for your Denon AVP.
It's simple enough to build an adapter cable that extracts the power feed from the USB cable and converts it to a 5VDC 1/8" jack or bare wires. Once that is done, it can be used as a trigger for many amps and/or power conditioners. If 12VDC is needed, there are ways to get there, though it takes more effort. The point is that, again, this may be a solution that satisfies the need for some people and nobody is forcing you to go down that path.

When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.

Again - if it works for his needs, as I said above " But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option." I'm not sure why you think I'm telling him he shouldn't be allowed to have what he wants - I think I made my point pretty clear on this already. I don't say anyone who doesn't use the same browser or OS or car I use is wrong - choice is good but I do believe there are some choices that give you more bang for the buck.

I do believe though even for his "modest" needs, he'd be financially better off with separates when it comes time to upgrade either because of 200GB optical disks, a new hdmi standard or some new as yet unknown media device or amp.

I have my power conditioner so I'm not worried about being forced - I'm all set but it is good to know there are usb converters.

I may be misinterpreting when reading between the lines in your response but I have no beef with anyone on this board. I want more choices, not less, so I don't discourage people from having different wants but I do encourage people to think long term to save money. He is entitled to his opinion but I didn't find any of his responses to be contentious. Dolstein, if you found my ribbing mean spirited, I apologize it was not meant to be harsh. But since you haven't replied I'm hoping you took it in good fun.
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When dolstein referred to a modest system, there are a few ways to interpret that. One is that he's got an inexpensive system, the other is that he only has a few devices he needs to hook up. I believe he meant that latter, in which case the Oppo BDP-105 is probably extremely close to meeting his needs and if it had room correction built in it would probably be perfect for his needs.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I'd only need a processor to decode blu-ray and DVD soundtracks and TV/cable. The. Oppo BD-105 already decodes all the optical disc formats, and as noted has two HDMI inputs. If I needed more, I could get an HDMI switchbox for much less than an A/V processor costs. The only reason I'd need for getting a separate processor is for the room EQ functions.
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Again - if it works for his needs, as I said above " But if you want a $2000 BR player with all the features you'd need to make it a decent prepro I suppose I wouldn't want you to be denied that option." I'm not sure why you think I'm telling him he shouldn't be allowed to have what he wants - I think I made my point pretty clear on this already. I don't say anyone who doesn't use the same browser or OS or car I use is wrong - choice is good but I do believe there are some choices that give you more bang for the buck..
There's already been BD player/amps or AVR's with a BD player. Maybe your willing to spend $2000 on a ridiculous complex source to use with a amp, but most people want something a lot more modest. If vendor A makes a good BD player and vendor B makes a good AVR, and all this functionality is reasonable to the consumer with two boxes then their happy. Arguing about putting everything into one box has a lot of negatives, number one being that it gets obsoleted the quickest. wink.gif

Now think up some new stuff instead of HDMI inputs for a phonograph! smile.gif

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Now think up some new stuff instead of HDMI inputs for a phonograph! smile.gif

How about teaming up with conceiva and making a slightly modified mezzmo that is optimized for the Oppo?
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This will be an important feature for my next media player - http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/hdmi-2-0-official-4k-60fps-32-channel-audio/ I'm VERY anxious for 4K.
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It would be great if the next Oppo is hdmi 2.0 with at least 3 hdmi inputs. 4 hdmi inputs would be perfect. Also, I hope 4k blu ray support can be updated through firmware. It should also be 9.2, or even 11.2. Those minor tweaks should be a good start
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It would be great if the next Oppo is hdmi 2.0 with at least 3 hdmi inputs. 4 hdmi inputs would be perfect. Also, I hope 4k blu ray support can be updated through firmware. It should also be 9.2, or even 11.2. Those minor tweaks should be a good start

Yes, also incorporate DIRAC as I mentioned earlier:)
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Yes, also incorporate DIRAC as I mentioned earlier:)

Hello,

Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't come across dirac yet. Do MKVs or MPGs have dirac or is it unique to a particular file type? As far as I know, I haven't downloaded anything with dirac yet.
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Sorry for my ignorance but I haven't come across dirac yet. Do MKVs or MPGs have dirac or is it unique to a particular file type? As far as I know, I haven't downloaded anything with dirac yet.
IIRC, he's talking about DIRAC room correction.
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IIRC, he's talking about DIRAC room correction.

Thanks for helping me with my cluelessness smile.gif Sure, I hope Oppo puts dirac room correction on their next prepro.
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Upsampling to 32bit, 192KHz would be grerat. If the DAC in OPPO is a SABER 32bit, 192KHZ, why not add an upsampling option for poeple who'd like it.

Additional HDMI connections: Even three input connections would be better than two.

Room Correction software: Either Audyssey (prefered) or parametric.
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I realize it is probably over a year away so there is plenty of time for Oppo to put plenty of new bells and whistles in their next player. I don't know how far away 4k discs are but I can always hope they come out about the same time as Oppo has their next player and the player will play them.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/12/singulus-tests-100gb-4k-ready-blu-ray-discs/
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Thanks for helping me with my cluelessness smile.gif Sure, I hope Oppo puts dirac room correction on their next prepro.

The have a deal with DIRAC
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