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Crazy idea, but Dolby has something cooking this year called Atmos here: http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/movie/dolby-atmos.html

Would like to see if Oppo has the ability to implement this feature in the up-coming release.
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- AURO 3D http://www.auro-3d.com/consumer/experience/  as well as

- DTS Multi-Dimensional AudioDTS MDA  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eq76pCirqw
It's a nice idea for any playback device to support more audio (and video) formats... But when it comes these new surround sound formats you'll also need to invest in a brand new 'uber' multi, multi, multi-channel surround sound amplifier frown.gif

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For now: a "hidden" feature that allows you to go straight to the movie chapter 1. Perhaps a dip switch or something...

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For now: a "hidden" feature that allows you to go straight to the movie chapter 1. Perhaps a dip switch or something...

For SD-DVD the Yellow button will usually work -- see the Hidden Features in the latest FAQ. However, most Blu-ray discs these days are authored using BD-Java. That means there's a kinda sorta computer program on the disc that actually controls playback. For those, there's no way for the player to force the BD-Java program to do what it doesn't want to do. Often, it's hard enough to get it to do what it WANTS to do.

Studios are increasingly using bizarre and Baroquely complex layout of the files on disc to try to make life more interesting for disc copying programs. This, too, makes it hard for the player to bypass the playback order the disc wants to impose.

And lastly, Blu-ray certification is much stricter about the player enforcing the disc's choice of Prohibited User Operations -- the things that bring up the red-slashed circle on screen if you try them at the wrong time.
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Studios are increasingly using bizarre and Baroquely complex layout of the files on disc to try to make life more interesting for disc copying programs. This, too, makes it hard for the player to bypass the playback order the disc wants to impose.

And lastly, Blu-ray certification is much stricter about the player enforcing the disc's choice of Prohibited User Operations -- the things that bring up the red-slashed circle on screen if you try them at the wrong time.
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And once copied... These new disc structure layouts are also making it difficult for some hardware and software media players to navigate and play 'full disc' copies eek.gif

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Regarding blu-ray disc sales going up: let's see a graph of audio & video files played on disc vs played via streaming by month for the last five years.

I'm not anti-disc: Oppo should continue their successful BDP line. But I am also a realistic business man and Oppo must make a NMP line to build technical skill and business relationships to support future sales. Tick tock...

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If they include Dirac Live - 8 channel processing and 7.1-2 XLR outputs, I would pay serious cash for it. I'd go as high as $2500.

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^Dbuudo07,

If there's enough demand from people such as yourself, Oppo can make a 3rd category of their universal players; provide the features and price it accordingly. My guess is 2.5x to 3x the price of their current top model.
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^Dbuudo07,

If there's enough demand from people such as yourself, Oppo can make a 3rd category of their universal players; provide the features and price it accordingly. My guess is 2.5x to 3x the price of their current top model.

That would be great! All I need is what I asked for plus it being equipped with all the current technology and I wouldn't need a pre/pro. A few HDMI inputs and I'm set. I don't need legacy inputs. 1 digital coaxial and 1 optical input, 3-5 HDMI inputs, and I'm set.

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HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, and the ability to stream H.265 from 4K content providers ... either decoded and output in UHD 4:4:4, or passed in H.265 for the UHD display/projector to decode.
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If they include Dirac Live - 8 channel processing and 7.1-2 XLR outputs, I would pay serious cash for it. I'd go as high as $2500.
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I think they should also look at the competition - Emotiva XMC-1 Gen2 ( http://www.xmc-1.com/ ) has Dirac 7.2, all XL outputs and pretty good DACs - all for $1999

Oppo should come out below $1999 and also include some SQ improvements:
1) Auxiliary linear power supply - I've installed it myself in my 105 per Ric's advice ( http://www.tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Oppo_105_Mods.html ) - made a significant improvement
2) Give a dedicated DAC to 2 chnl audio (currently I belive 4 channels are "borrowed" for the headphone duties). Do we still need a headphone amp if HA-1 is coming?
3) Put Sabre32 DACs in a current mode ( http://customanalogue.com/oppo_L3.htm and http://www.esstech.com/PDF/sabrewp.pdf - "he highest performance in terms of THD is via the current mode")
4) HDMI2 and the latest DHCP

Oppo - make me exited to upgrade!
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I think they should also look at the competition - Emotiva XMC-1 Gen2 ( http://www.xmc-1.com/ ) has Dirac 7.2, all XL outputs and pretty good DACs - all for $1999

Oppo should come out below $1999 and also include some SQ improvements:
1) Auxiliary linear power supply - I've installed it myself in my 105 per Ric's advice ( http://www.tweakaudio.com/EVS-2/Oppo_105_Mods.html ) - made a significant improvement
2) Give a dedicated DAC to 2 chnl audio (currently I belive 4 channels are "borrowed" for the headphone duties). Do we still need a headphone amp if HA-1 is coming?
3) Put Sabre32 DACs in a current mode ( http://customanalogue.com/oppo_L3.htm and http://www.esstech.com/PDF/sabrewp.pdf - "he highest performance in terms of THD is via the current mode")
4) HDMI2 and the latest DHCP

Oppo - make me exited to upgrade!
That product isn't shipping yet and IIRC has had some setbacks that have delayed it, though I hope they do get it out and are successful with it as it's been difficult for many of these smaller companies to actually deliver surround sound processors.

Asking Oppo to deliver something with similar capabilities, but significantly better DAC's, an auxiliary power supply, etc. at a lower price than Emotiva doesn't strike me as at all realistic. Emotiva is a direct sale company, so they already have the advantage of not having multiple layers of distributor and dealer markup.
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I second a better DAC with pimped out 2 channel capabilities. Also would love to see Spotify as a native app.
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That product isn't shipping yet and IIRC has had some setbacks that have delayed it, though I hope they do get it out and are successful with it as it's been difficult for many of these smaller companies to actually deliver surround sound processors.

Asking Oppo to deliver something with similar capabilities, but significantly better DAC's, an auxiliary power supply, etc. at a lower price than Emotiva doesn't strike me as at all realistic. Emotiva is a direct sale company, so they already have the advantage of not having multiple layers of distributor and dealer markup.
Oppo enjoys cheaper manufacturing costs (China vs US for Emotiva XMC-1) and I am advocating actually to reduce number of parts:
- if you look at the mods I've mentioned - they are proposing to reduce number of parts in the signal path. This should reduce a manufacturing cost.
- switching DAC to the current mode doesn't really increase part costs (potentially reduce it - 1 capacitor less)
- potentially remove headphone AMP functionality from 115 (this would reduce cost even more) - they would have an HA-1 with a volume control knob. Controling volume of BDP-105 is a pain right now

We can also look at it from incremental cost prospective - the only cost increase from my proposal - axillary linear power supply - I've bought it for $250 (the guy produce them with next-to zero volumes. Oppo can produce it cheaper (at scale) and also could save on switchable power supply it ship inside BDP-105 right now.

Given all of theses savings, Oppo MAY BE ABLE TO compensate for 30% dealer markup and still ship below $1999 mark with Dirac and Darbee IMHO.
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They appear talented enough... They should just build a processor and move all that Sabre DAC goodness into it.

If they could build an Apple TV into it.... That would simplify my setup considerably... Coordinate with apple... Get it done!

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Apple is not real big about coordinating with others.
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I found a two channel DIRAC solution from MiniDSP here: http://www.minidsp.com/dirac-series/ddrc-22a

Cost is $899

Wonder if Oppo can save us a few dollars and space on the entertain center by implementing this into the forth coming BDP? It would be cool if Oppo manages to get the multi-channel version of DIRAC rather than the 2-channel version.

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I would like to see apodizing digital filters, at least in the higher end of the two units.
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Anyone have a best guess for when Oppo may come out with a new version? looks like it was 2 years between the 93/103 etc.. and both got released to the market at the end of the year.  Is it reasonable to assume we may see something at CEDIA in September and released to the public by end of the year 2014?

 

I have been contemplating getting an Oppo, but would hate to get one and then a few months later the 'new' version comes out.

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^ Not likely this year, and a big maybe on next year.
There is no need to release a new player aside from being able to add 4k media playback capabilities,
and the official specs on that format are not even finalized yet, and of course there is no commercially available 4k software.
Once those things become reality, then Oppo will develop a player around it, but until then, their current players are the bees knees.

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Anyone have a best guess for when Oppo may come out with a new version? looks like it was 2 years between the 93/103 etc.. and both got released to the market at the end of the year.  Is it reasonable to assume we may see something at CEDIA in September and released to the public by end of the year 2014?

I have been contemplating getting an Oppo, but would hate to get one and then a few months later the 'new' version comes out.

If they do, it will probably focus on streaming and have an HDMI 2.0 connection (IMHO). If they do enough with streaming, I'll probably get it.
I imagine one that plays 4K discs won't be out until Q3 or 4 next year. If they come out with one that plays 4k discs, i'll get that one two and move the streaming improved model to the bedroom.
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A large enough buffer and software options for higher quality streaming content to make up for my lack of a fast connection.

 

I'm pretty happy with Vudu streaming on my OPPO BDP-93 presently (I use a wired connection and I get 2 bar HDX which is reasonable with my connection speed) but if it could be better that would be awesome.  Another way could be to be able to play Vudu files over my home network off my computer, then I could use Vudu download and get the highest quality then use my OPPO to play off my computer.  Perhaps I can do this now and just don't know it.  Does someone know?

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If they include Dirac Live - 8 channel processing and 7.1-2 XLR outputs, I would pay serious cash for it. I'd go as high as $2500.

I'll second that or something similar - no need for XLR connections in my system but if they could replicate the room correction interface offered in the Anthem 510 AVRs that would be SWEET. Likewise, more HDMI input switching is desirable.

I could also see them coming out with an all in one box.
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The next 4k disk format.
Region free
Cinevirus free
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The Region free
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Can't be done. Not allowed.

As for 4k disc: the DRM requirement will be much heavier than currently used, not less.

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I'm starting to look forward to replacing my 103 with something new provided it has a LOT more streaming functionality than the old 103. I could build a HTPC to pull from my HT Server but I'd prefer just slapping in a simple BR player provided it could do something more like plex or some other full featured streaming app. I really need it to be able to search my streaming library, play forced subtitles and really those are the biggest two features I want for streaming although I do have a list of other streaming feature in my original post.
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Personally I would prefer Oppo not to rush an 'Ultra HD' capable player onto the market. It's going to be a while before the hype of HDMI 2 and HEVC stabilises!

Currently, Oppo have issued us a couple of great mature devices, that are improving with every firmware release. So there's no need to rush into anything wink.gif

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I agree that if you have an old 1080p TV without 4K capabilities, and if you don't stream from a true media server, the old 103 BR player is fine but if you stream or have a 4K TV time is starting to pass the 103 by. I have both though and cant wait for the Oppo to catch up.
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I agree that if you have an old 1080p TV without 4K capabilities, and if you don't stream from a true media server, the old 103 BR player is fine but if you stream or have a 4K TV time is starting to pass the 103 by. I have both though and cant wait for the Oppo to catch up.

While it would be nice for Oppo to have something to output true 4k, that's just not very realistic.
I don't agree with the premise that the current Oppo players are falling behind or being passed by.
It just wouldn't be fruitful for Oppo to delve into a volatile 4k market where their newest product really would fall behind or become virtually obsolete when 4k specs change,
and then Oppo's hardware can't change with it, or they have to spend tons of man hours to fix software.
They are better off waiting until they can produce a product where 'longevity in functionality' is an attraction to the consumer.
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Is the whole streaming thing a volatile environment they should less pass them by as well? They change out their products every 2 years. Should they wait until 8K becomes the standard? That will probably be replaced in about 20 years with 16K - perhaps then the market will be mature enough. We're talking electronics, not anvils and horse shoes. I'm in IT - if I don't totally relearn everything about servers, motherboards etc every 2 years or so I'm completely behind the times. I'd still be supporting Novell if I waited for Microsoft or Linux anything to become mature.
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