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post #1021 of 1132 Old 07-12-2014, 08:48 AM
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To me the Darbee versions look like a "how do we refresh the product to last another two years" whilst they wait for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 to be ready.
Isn't that what EVERY BD PLAYER EVER RELEASED AFTER THE FIRST MODEL is (?), lol.
Darbee is pretty good stuff though IMO. The "D" players also add a few other features that improve the player.
Below are some of the changes, some apply only to the 103D, all apply to the 105D.

~the Silicon Image VRS ClearView video processor.
(the VRS chip allows for a slightly better picture presentation do to some ever so slight undefeatable DNR in the QDEO chip.)

~the Darbee Visual Presence video processor.

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(this was only possible on the HDMI-2 output of the BDP-105 and BDP-103)

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It would be a worthwhile upgrade for the 1x5 models to use Daniel Weiss's OpAmps on the Analog Outs.
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To me the Darbee versions look like a "how do we refresh the product to last another two years" whilst they wait for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 to be ready.
It was a pretty good refresh. It got me to buy one.
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To me the Darbee versions look like a "how do we refresh the product to last another two years" whilst they wait for HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 to be ready.
OK - both are ready - so let's hope they have a BDP-113 ready by November.
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OK - both are ready - so let's hope they have a BDP-113 ready by November.
Is this 2015 we're talking about? I'm hopeful that Oppo won't do an Emo, a la XMC-1...

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OK - both are ready - so let's hope they have a BDP-113 ready by November.
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Is this 2015 we're talking about? I'm hopeful that Oppo won't do an Emo, a la XMC-1...
Umm ya, 2015 is more like it.
Not trying to be a party pooper, but there is absolutely zero chance of a new Oppo player this year.
However, since there are never any absolutes, technically speaking there is a 99.999% chance that Oppo will not release a new player this year.

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Not trying to be a party pooper, but there is absolutely zero chance of a new Oppo player this year.
Why?
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Why?
Because there are still far too many open issues that need to be dealt with before it makes sense for them to come out with a new player, including things like codec and media decisions for 4K content and actual availability of reliable HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 chipsets. If they came out with a player now, it would be obsolete far too soon because it's pretty much a given that 4K is still in too much flux.
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Because there are still far too many open issues that need to be dealt with before it makes sense for them to come out with a new player, including things like codec and media decisions for 4K content and actual availability of reliable HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 chipsets. If they came out with a player now, it would be obsolete far too soon because it's pretty much a given that 4K is still in too much flux.
Agree. Also (surprisingly for a product company lately) because if done to get a product out for an arbitrary date, the result would be a cynical attempt to cash in on the name, not enough of a progression to be better than the current models. Oppo seems to avoid this by design.

It's something that got me to buy two of these. Buying the 103D gives me a good, long lasting value that is stable and useful player for the future. If I bought a new model without stable HDMI 2.0, maybe ATMOS, so on, I would have a 103D+ that was less stable but implemented future features improperly.

I'd rather get a well engineered player that comes a bit later but is as rock solid and innovative as previous ones.
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Does the TV need any HDCP 2.2 stuff or is it only for the playback devices such as BR players and receivers?
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^ HDCP is copy protection. EVERYTHING in the HDMI signal path -- including any active device such as an HDMI switch -- will need to be updated to HDCP 2.2 to pass protected 4K content. It's still not clear how an HDCP 2.2 source will react to older destination devices for less than 4K -- but still protected -- content.

Part of the problem right now is that the chips that can handle HDCP 2.2 can not *ALSO* handle the highest bandwidth formats allowed by HDMI 2.0.

It's going to be a mess -- a lot of early devices are going to become effectively obsolete faster than buyers expect. Much as happened in the transition from HDMI 1.0 to 1.2 and 1.3.
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Thanks - so if the material I'm streaming doesn't have copy protection, I shouldn't have to worry about HDCP 2.2 - right? I'm pretty sure when I convert a disc to my hard drive using makemkv it strips out the copy protection although I've never really worried about how it works - just so long as I can put my collection on a small PC instead of filling an entire chest of drawers with discs without degrading the quality.
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^ Correct. If you can figure out how to strip the copy protection stuff, then HDCP never comes into the picture.

However, the intent of the content providers is to make that much harder to do with 4K content. Whether they will have any more luck with that THIS TIME remains to be seen.
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I thought most HDMI devices applied HDCP regardless of the content. Not required, but easier.

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I thought most HDMI devices applied HDCP regardless of the content. Not required, but easier.

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Nope. If the source device decides the content is not protected (e.g., most cable TV channels), then the HDCP stuff is skipped.
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If there was only one thing I could ask for of the Oppo 115 is: XLR for all channels.
That's it.


7.2 XLR or 13.2 XLR (whatever HDMI 2.0 / Atmos can do)... and of course remove the dedicated 2-ch XLR because it's redundant.

All my amplifiers are xlr-ONLY, so I'm forced to buy a multi-thousand dollar pre/pro that supports that (XMC-1, 8802 etc), or converters (Cleanbox).
Having a response that is flat to 3hz is important to me, and the XLR converters I'm using now just aren't doing it for me.
Not only that but the pre/pro and/or converters add back all the noise that the Sabre DAC worked so hard to avoid(-133db etc).

2) A HDMI-input that can decode the full TrueHD/DTS-M and/or Atmos; rather than just LPCM or Plus.
3) A USB soundcard driver that allows Audacity to record what is sent to the streamout, basically a "what you hear" function like the Asus Xonar.
4) 13.2 channel USB LPCM?
5) 1/4 and 1/8 headphone jacks
6) PEQ that goes down to 10hz.
7) XO's that goes down to 10hz with variable slope.
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^ I wonder if 13.2 (or 13.1) is even necessary.
If they incorporate ATMOS decoding for analog output, and if all the channels are balanced (XLR) and of highest quality,
then the extra dedicated 2CH output may not be necessary IMO. That would put it at a more reasonable 11.1 channels.
I know some people do use the multi-ch section for movies, and the 2ch section for 2ch music,
but I really wonder how necessary it is, and if using the L/R channels of the 11.1 output could yield just as good of sound quality as the current 2ch output,
while at the same time saving some room and cost.
(Some are of the opinion that the L/R output of the current 7.1 section is already equal to the quality of the 2ch dedicated section)
I also think some of the configuration would depend on how many channels could be fit on one chip,
and even more importantly, how good of (sound) quality would the ATMOS chip be that would/could be used in the player.

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It would be very niced of Oppo to add a simple visualization software for audio (like Play Station 3), so when I play CD / SACD on Oppo I wont have to keep looking at the screensaver logo all the time.

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I just bought a ton of additional storage for my streaming server 27TB and I'll double it again before the end of the year. I can start ripping a lot more of my BR and old dvd discs. I really really hope Oppo gets their streaming capabilities provider for their boards to really up the functionality or picks a new streaming provider. The subtitles both forced and manual are my number one feature I'd like them to add as I watch a LOT of action movies and scifi movies that require subtitles as I don't speak Russian, German, Spanish, Aramaic, Farcie, French, Pandoran, Klingon, Elvish etc

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Oppo (and other tech companies) need to include the option of bluetooth remotes. IR isn't "innovation." It's not "next gen." It's ancient **** and not everyone has HT setups that accommodate the stupid line of sight requirements well. Why is this sold school tech still being pushed in 2014? Hell, we had RF remotes for some things in the 90s, and those were awesome. Now we could have BT remotes but only the PS3 does. Honestly, I'm not paying $500+ for a BD player that doesn't give me the same option a PS3 from ~10 ****ing years ago does. I'd rather use a PS3 and enjoy the remote I don't need to point. Everyone needs to stop clinging to that old tech, and demand a future with universal bluetooth remotes or SOMETHING better than IR.
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^A PS3 doesn't even come close to what the current Oppo models can do.
So you're claim that it is better based solely on a remote control feature is irrational and incorrect.
If you want RF functionality right now, then just go buy a RF remote or IR/RF extender hardware which can be had pretty cheap. There are plenty to choose from.

Having said that, I do think modern home theater and audio/video components should offer Bluetooth and/or RF remotes.
I have had that opinion for a few years now, and the technology is cheap, so I am not sure why it's so difficult for them to move away from the IR stuff.
There is the potential for some issues when you have more electronics in your house that may use similar coding, but that can be worked around pretty easily.

PS. Edited to add, that the current players do offer the remote app that can be used as easily as an RF remote.
So that is something where progress has been made.

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IR is ok, works for me (with my universal remote), bluetooth is fine too, but IP based control like on the latest phone apps is where I'd like a lot of work put in.

Just my preference, it gives outside line of sight access and works fine within a device that I have handy. Also if the internals are exposed via an IP interface, there's a lot of good development that could be done (I'd love to play with a well supported IP interface).
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Not everyone uses phones with apps. I build my own PCs, run linux, collect blu-rays, and use a 40 inch screen for movies, gaming, and as a PC monitor, but my phone is a flip phone. I don't do apps and touch screens. I want an actual remote.
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Not everyone uses phones with apps. I build my own PCs, run linux, collect blu-rays, and use a 40 inch screen for movies, gaming, and as a PC monitor, but my phone is a flip phone. I don't do apps and touch screens. I want an actual remote.
Sure, different strokes for different folks. I don't use and overpriced smartphone with overpriced data plan either,
but I do have an iPad and of course other tablets, iPods, etc... work too.
You can get a RF remote fairly cheap these days, and as I mentioned too, IR/RF extender/repeater/converter etc... even cheaper.
Oppo even sells an IR extender that works with their players on their website.
http://www.oppodigital.com/proddetail.asp?prod=IRES2
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Well...

Given your TV is the most likely device to offer 'the' optimal line of site to its IR detector. It's the ideal device to relay IR commands via HDMI (or another method) to all your other devices...

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It would be very niced of Oppo to add a simple visualization software for audio (like Play Station 3), so when I play CD / SACD on Oppo I wont have to keep looking at the screensaver logo all the time.


Just hit Pure Audio.
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Just hit Pure Audio.
I was talking about visualization as an alternative to Oppo screensaver while playing CD/SACD. What does it have anything to do with pure audio???

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Sometimes it would come in handy if it showed the title of the file you are streaming on the Oppo screen.
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Sometimes it would come in handy if it showed the title of the file you are streaming on the Oppo screen.
I bitstream Audio (CD and ripped audio files) and video (sound spectrum visialization) from my laptop to AVR using wireless HDMI. Unfortunately my laptop cannot play SACD, so I use Oppo as a SACD player. But while it plays SACD, the only thing on the screen is the SACD info. I was hoping that Oppo can implement a simple visualization application so when I play CD/SACD, I wont be watching the SACD info / screensaver all the time. With pure audio, the screen goes off completely, it doesn't help.

Playstation 3 has done it, Oppo can do it too.
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I was talking about visualization as an alternative to Oppo screensaver while playing CD/SACD. What does it have anything to do with pure audio???
Pure Audio blanks the TV screen. Think of it as minimalist visualization.
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