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According to what I am hearing, the new Oppo 4K blu-ray player is supposed to be out in 6 months.

You would have thought we would have heard something about it by now...

I am sure there are beta-testers out there...
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According to what I am hearing, the new Oppo 4K blu-ray player is supposed to be out in 6 months.

You would have thought we would have heard something about it by now...

I am sure there are beta-testers out there...
1. Wishful thinking
2. Non-disclosure Agreement (NDA) (as mentioned)
3. CEDIA 9/13-17/2016 would fit in with their late 2016/early 2017 timeline
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If Oppo has been able to obtain the new MediaTek chip ahead of the chip's volume production ramp up there may be beta units in the wild. But we'll never know until after the fact. The Force is strong with the NDA.

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If Oppo has been able to obtain the new MediaTek chip ahead of the chip's volume production ramp up there may be beta units in the wild. But we'll never know until after the fact. The Force is strong with the NDA.
Yeah, and the irony is that they are only hurting themselves...

They are losing sales to Samsung - big time.
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Yeah, and the irony is that they are only hurting themselves...

They are losing sales to Samsung - big time.
Maybe, but I'll wait and I think others are waiting also. Looking forward to a player with Dolby Vision and I think the Oppo will have it. If so I expect to see a lot of used Samsungs showing up on eBay this fall.

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Oppo doesn't rush products into production just to compete with the 'big boys' so I don't think they are worried about (or even care about) Samsung's sales. Personally, I would never buy the first product into a new market area. I've been burned too many times in the past. People who want quality will wait for an Oppo UHD player. People who have to be on the bleeding edge will buy the Samsung possibly without full knowledge of Samsung's spotty history of support for their products.

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Maybe, but I'll wait and I think others are waiting also. Looking forward to a player with Dolby Vision and I think the Oppo will have it. If so I expect to see a lot of used Samsungs showing up on eBay this fall.
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Oppo doesn't rush products into production just to compete with the 'big boys' so I don't think they are worried about (or even care about) Samsung's sales. Personally, I would never buy the first product into a new market area. I've been burned too many times in the past. People who want quality will wait for an Oppo UHD player. People who have to be on the bleeding edge will buy the Samsung possibly without full knowledge of Samsung's spotty history of support for their products.
Oh, I am sure most on here are waiting.

But you have to remember, the people on AVS are about 1% of the actual buying public.
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And most of the buying public have never heard of Oppo.
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And most of the buying public have never heard of Oppo.
Exactly. The bulk of the people who are buying the Samsung are either going to flip it for an Oppo once Oppo ships their UHD player or have never heard of Oppo and would never buy one anyway. Either way, I suspect Oppo is going to do just fine as they have been.
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The wait is killing me........................haven't heard release time other than late '16 or early '17.

Anyone else in my shoes.......................just checking?
I'm in the same boat. I'm crossing my fingers for a Christmas release.
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Oh, I am sure most on here are waiting.

But you have to remember, the people on AVS are about 1% of the actual buying public.
The bulk of Samsung buyers can't wait. You know like "Daddy are we there yet?"

What's your story?
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I am waiting on the 103d replacement and will wait as long as I need to.

I am also waiting on the Emotiva RMC1 and will wait as long as needed.

So right now I am in flux waiting on new products. So for the last four months I have barely watched anything in my theater.
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I am waiting on the 103d replacement and will wait as long as I need to.

I am also waiting on the Emotiva RMC1 and will wait as long as needed.

So right now I am in flux waiting on new products. So for the last four months I have barely watched anything in my theater.
They have been talking about the RMC1 since 2012...
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I had only heard about the RMC1 since Dan mentioned it in a podcast in about June of last year. It is supposed to have all the latest. Including great dacs. But who knows.

And it may never come out. Unlike the Oppo's which we all know will.

I owned the 105 for about a year. I sold it early as to not lose on resale value once the new 4k models come to market.

I miss it greatly. I have not been happy since selling that and my Krell Foundation once I heard that it could never be updated to handle Atmos and Dtsx.
I sold them both to early in anticipation of the two products mentioned above. I knew once these were close to delivery I would lose a bunch.

Now I wait, not to patiently for the release of these products that will hopefully last me until I am to old to care anymore.
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I'd VERY MUCH like to see Oppo NOT include room correction in their disc players. Why?

Because it changes too often - rarely is one stabilized before another comes along, and they're NEVER compatible. Including it guarantees rapid obsolescence.
Not everyone needs room correction - If you don't want it, why pay for it?
Room correction is redundant - Why include a feature that's in EVERY AVR on the market? It just adds cost and irritates those whose fave "flavor" of correction isn't included.

Best to have room correction (for those who think they need it) in a separate box. It belongs in the processor or AVR - not on the disc player.
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True. Almost all receivers and pre/pros, even the basic ones, have some form of room correction. Let's keep it there.

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True. Almost all receivers and pre/pros, even the basic ones, have some form of room correction. Let's keep it there.
Some people do not use AVR or Pre/Pro. They use their Oppo instead. I hope Oppo will add the room correction to their players. People who do not want to use it, skip using it. But others will have the ability to use a room correction when using Oppo as a pre/pro. That is what makes Oppo BD player unique. People can have everything in one box.
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We can agree to disagree on that one then. I'd like Oppo to remain a great disc player and not turn into a pre/pro.

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We can agree to disagree on that one then. I'd like Oppo to remain a great disc player and not turn into a pre/pro.
Sure. People use Oppo in different setups. Some like it with room correction and some don't. But based on the vote results, the majority of users would like to have a room correction.
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Sure. People use Oppo in different setups. Some like it with room correction and some don't. But based on the vote results, the majority of users would like to have a room correction.
Forum polls -- like social media polls -- can be interesting but are subject to bias and shouldn't be seen as anything but interesting.

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Based on the fact that Oppo has already implemented DIRAC room correction SW in their other devices, it would be interesting to see whether they include it in their next BD player or not.
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Hmmm...

You can count me IN on wanting a quality room correction software package in the UHD players from Oppo.
I have been using their 10x players for quite a while now, and a -105D in my media room running directly to amps
with no pre-amp/avr in the mix. I feel it sounds great, but I could still use more bass management.

I also do not need all the bells and whistles of a full featured external processor,
and for people like me I think it's ridiculous to expect them to spend anywhere from several hundred to several thousand dollars
on a processor that they may only need 5% of what it offers.

I don't know exactly what Oppo is going to offer.
The Dirac version they will have for their Sonica speaker line may not be full featured room correction software.
(Oppo's wireless speakers with Dirac speaker/room calibration) (http://www.oppodigital.com/sonica/)
It may only be app based (which could still be great, we'll just have to wait and see),
and even then, who knows if the same version would potentially be in their UHD players.

If it is actually in the players, it could be the type used with a smart device, and if it is that type, then perhaps Oppo could control it as an optional feature.
Perhaps those who want it could just pay for the app separately and that could unlock the feature.
On the other hand maybe Oppo will include it for all players, because the license fee may not increase the price of the player too much
if the cost is spread out over all players. Then again, maybe it won't be included at all.

Seriously though, for people who already use a full featured external processor WITH decent quality room correction features,
then yes Dirac would be redundant (unless it actually does a better job than your processor, hehe),
but on the flip side of the coin, there really are a lot of situations where people can use it,
especially when not using a processor, and when in more simple systems like a living room or bedroom stereo setup.

There can be valid arguments for and against it, but think of the same scenario with all the other features of Oppo players
that people love so much. Does everyone really use ALL the features of their current Oppo players?
In most cases, no, but they also love the fact that the features are there for when they might want to use them.
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I think this issue could be solved by not having room correction in the 113, and having it in the 115.
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I think this issue could be solved by not having room correction in the 113, and having it in the 115.
Yes, certainly. People are talking about two different players here:
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We can agree to disagree on that one then. I'd like Oppo to remain a great disc player and not turn into a pre/pro.
lorjam is or should be talking about the 103.
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Best to have room correction (for those who think they need it) in a separate box. It belongs in the processor or AVR - not on the disc player.
Also the 103.
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Some people do not use AVR or Pre/Pro. They use their Oppo instead. I hope Oppo will add the room correction to their players. People who do not want to use it, skip using it. But others will have the ability to use a room correction when using Oppo as a pre/pro. That is what makes Oppo BD player unique. People can have everything in one box.
This mostly applies to the 105, although some might be okay with the lesser DACs in the 103 too.

It would help if we would each specify which Oppo we mean. In my case, it's the 105, which IMHO is the truly unique component.

If one spends the extra money for the 105's DACs and noisefloor, then having room correction downstream is a no-no. It has to be done in or before the 105. In my case, room corretion not what I care about the most, but it is why I care about how content gets into the Oppo.
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I don't know exactly what Oppo is going to offer.
The Dirac version they will have for their Sonica speaker line may not be full featured room correction software.

It may only be app based (which could still be great, we'll just have to wait and see),
and even then, who knows if the same version would potentially be in their UHD players.

If it is actually in the players, it could be the type used with a smart device, and if it is that type, then perhaps Oppo could control it as an optional feature.
The example you used is comparable to what Sonos and other wireless speaker makers offer. Your streaming from a mobile device where the media app can incorporate EQ to improve the received audio quality you listen to on wireless speakers you are transmitting to. But putting a real EQ in a source other then the adjustments now in the 103/105 models as compared to previous models usually requires a fair amount of processing by a dedicated device. Now if this was so easy, don't you think many vendors would go this route by now? How about just one?

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Sounds like the flagship Oppo will have to have good DACs, room eq, xlr and more..

Everything but toast the bread

Is it going to be a disc player or processor
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The example you used is comparable to what Sonos and other wireless speaker makers offer. Your streaming from a mobile device where the media app can incorporate EQ to improve the received audio quality you listen to on wireless speakers you are transmitting to. But putting a real EQ in a source other then the adjustments now in the 103/105 models as compared to previous models usually requires a fair amount of processing by a dedicated device. Now if this was so easy, don't you think many vendors would go this route by now? How about just one?
Well let's be real and consider the established relationships between manufacturers and software developers,
so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it, and of course price/profit margin, name recognition, etc...
I mean seriously, for a long and still now, just say it has Audyssey and people fork over the money
because it must be awesome, right?
Dirac is fairly new to the scene and not quite established and who is going to go first (?),
and who is going to sever ties with the software they already use and go with Dirac and possibly hurt business (?).

So there are a lot of factors to consider there, and I have known long enough how Oppo operates and
I have never known them to go with anything that has not worked out well for their product.
If they think Dirac is a good fit, then I have confidence that they have done their homework and experience
the product enough to know it's a good tool to use.
I mean at least so far they are going to use it for Sonica, but of course remains to be seen for UHD player.
As you say it will probably be a slightly different tech for the player than for the speakers,
but I would think that the built in version would be better anyway.

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Sounds like the flagship Oppo will have to have good DACs, room eq, xlr and more..

Everything but toast the bread

Is it going to be a disc player or processor
Both, and everything else! Maybe even get a rap star to pour champagne on it in commercials n chit.

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I'm eagerly awaiting the Oppo UHD player to be released and I'll pick it up to replace my 103 if it hits the right specs. But I'm also going to enjoy 4K UHD on the Samsung K8500 until then. It feels cheap, and looks terrible from the front, but it fits on my cramped stand and the 4K discs look amazing on my TV. No shame!

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Seems to me that most of the people that run Oppos directly to amps are of the "purist" mentality and would avoid using room correction anyway. Put the room correction money into better dacs and associated electronics.

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Oppo 93, Oppo 83SE, DirecTV HR44-200, Samsung DTB260F, Roku 3, Denon DP-1200
Marantz AV7702, Onkyo PR-SC5507, Onkyo TX-NR3008, McIntosh C26, DVDO Duo
Parasound A51, Parasound HCA-806A, Emotiva UPA-1s, Marantz MA500s, Sonance 5150, McIntosh MC2105
Paradigm Studio V4s & V5s, Hsu subs X2,
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