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post #151 of 1064 Old 01-18-2012, 11:32 AM
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Better streaming of music and better interface
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First is pretty much a given, however slot loading drives which are mostly utilized for space reduction are not without negatives. For example slot loaders don't work with smaller 80 mm discs or any non-standard sizes. If the chassis is not machined correctly the metal edges can be too close so that media could be scratched if the user inserted the media slightly off center or at a angle. If the media won't eject because of a failed slot loading mechanism, its more of a problem to deal with compared to a typical tray unit. Also add the fact that you tend to get your fingerprints more on your media too.

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The BDP-93 and -83 have the same component video capabilities. Both will produce 1080i for Blu-ray and non-protected DVD and 480p for protected DVD.

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But the upscaling/de-interlacing is handled by the Mediatek SoC at that point rather than by the ABT/QDEO chipset. The result may not be as good. Having the video processed by ABT/QDEO is one of the reason you pay extra for the Oppo.

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But the upscaling/de-interlacing is handled by the Mediatek SoC at that point rather than by the ABT/QDEO chipset. The result may not be as good. Having the video processed by ABT/QDEO is one of the reason you pay extra for the Oppo.

How odd you would reply to the very party that authors the Unofficial Oppo FAQ that tidbit.

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Better streaming of music and better interface
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NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!111111

I will NEVER buy a slot-loading player!! If you ever use a rental disc or any other disc that's not pristine, your slot will collect dirt that can scratch and smear on other discs you insert.

Slot loading optical drives are a HORRIBLE idea.
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Built in solid state 250 gb drive for storing music files on board.
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Built in solid state 250 gb drive for storing music files on board.

That would add at least $200 to the parts cost of the player! Even if a mechanical disk is used, it would still add significantly to the cost and failure rate of the player for a feature that many users don't need or want. I, like many people, prefer to serve up media from a separate fileserver that I can also access from my computers and other devices.

Why not just take advantage of the USB ports and add your own SSD in an external enclosure? Maybe you could argue for a place in the chassis (and spare SATA connector) to mount your own internal 2.5" drive.
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I am a simple man, with simple needs. :-)

1. Airplay.

2. Native Apple Lossless support.

This. Plus, of course, an interface tie-in to the Apple Remote app (or a similar companion app) to manipulate things from an iPhone/iPad/iPodTouch (or even one of those android-based thingies )
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The 93 and 95 have the current bases pretty well covered. Some of the current shortcomings such as the Netflix and Pandora Widgets are beyond OPPO's control.

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Better streaming capabilities may or may not actually require a new player. I personally think that Oppo can still add and enhance a fair amount on the current platform. Depending on whether your focus is on streaming partners (Netflix, VUDU, Amazon, Pandora, etc.) or streaming within your home network, a lot of this is out of Oppo's control so releasing a new player really won't change anything. Look at how much difficulty they've had getting Netflix to get an updated app to them - that sort of problem will remain when the next player comes out. A big part of the problem there is that the streaming partners are a lot more interested in working with a manufacturer who sells millions of players than one who sells thousands of players (I don't know the exact relative numbers, but Oppo does a lot less volume than a lot of the big names like LG, Sony, etc.). If you're talking about things like access to network shares on your home network, then it boils down to whether this can be added on the current platform or requires a new platform. But in either case it also involves getting support from the chipset manufacturer.

I'm curious about this. Who writes the apps, Netflix (to focus on one company), or Oppo? I ask, because the Netflix interface on the AppleTV2 is simply outstanding, compared to the Netflix interface in my Sony BR player. Did Apple pair up with Netflix to write a custom app? And in that case, who is responsible for updates, Apple or Netflix? To extend this, why couldn't Oppo do the same? I haven't seen any player with the interface as good as the ATV... did Apple really get special treatment from Netflix, or did Apple write the app (or just take and re-write Netflix's app)? If Apple had a hand in writing their app, I don't see why Oppo couldn't go the same route. If someone actually knows the answer to this, I'd love to hear more about it.
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I'm curious about this. Who writes the apps, Netflix (to focus on one company), or Oppo? I ask, because the Netflix interface on the AppleTV2 is simply outstanding, compared to the Netflix interface in my Sony BR player. Did Apple pair up with Netflix to write a custom app? And in that case, who is responsible for updates, Apple or Netflix? To extend this, why couldn't Oppo do the same? I haven't seen any player with the interface as good as the ATV... did Apple really get special treatment from Netflix, or did Apple write the app (or just take and re-write Netflix's app)? If Apple had a hand in writing their app, I don't see why Oppo couldn't go the same route. If someone actually knows the answer to this, I'd love to hear more about it.

Netflix writes the app and gives it to Oppo to incorporate into a firmware release. Since Apple sells a few gazillion widgets per year, that means a LOT of potential Netflix users, so Netflix is going to be more willing to work with Apple than with a smaller company like Oppo that does a lot less volume. Similarly, Sony sells a ton of PS3's, so it also gets special attention from Netflix. Netflix (and the other streaming companies) is mostly interested in getting more subscribers and (like every other company out there) has limited resources, so they're priority is always going to be to work with the company they feel is going to sell the most widgets to maximize their exposure.
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Built in solid state 250 gb drive for storing music files on board.

I think I'd prefer just USB ports that could be used for external drives, keyboard and mouse dongles - expansion you pay for with the equipment type, quality and size that suits your needs.
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A new iteration of the BDP80. Best value Oppo player I ever bought and a worthy successor to my 980.

I have two 83s and an 80 currently. I've had/have tray loading problems with both 83s. But my 80 has been a solid champ. Never given any trouble whatsoever and going strong after 2 years plus of near daily use.

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Anyone know where the BDP 93 was first anounced? I'm curious if there is an electronics event that they wait for or they just post it on their page?
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Anyone know where the BDP 93 was first anounced? I'm curious if there is an electronics event that they wait for or they just post it on their page?

Nov 2010.

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ISO file playback.

If future Oppo players do not support this their sales will decrease substantially. Many will not upgrade their player and will hold onto their BDP-93/95 with 2011 firmware. A sad situation for both consumers and Oppo.
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ISO file playback.

If future Oppo players do not support this their sales will decrease substantially. Many will not upgrade their player and will hold onto their BDP-93/95 with 2011 firmware. A sad situation for both consumers and Oppo.

Fine to make a suggestion, but it is what it is. DLNA Premium and net shares seems to be the future direction, not playback of unaltered BD media image files on storage connected directly to a BD player. Just look what Kaleidoscope went through not too long ago.

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Slot-in drive

I'm going to recommend a against slot drive. I've been building computers for years and avoid them for computers. I've seen them damage perfectly good discs and frankly I want my discs to remain in good shape.
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I'm going to recommend a slot drive. I've been building computers for years and avoid them for computers. I've seen them damage perfectly good discs and frankly I want my discs to remain in good shape.

Did you mean to say that you're NOT going to recommend a slot drive? Otherwise, the rest of your post doesn't make much sense.
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I think it's already been mentioned, but I'd support the addition/implementation of a scrollable/pointable zoom feature.

Used to have this in my old Denon DVD player, you could zoom and then using the directional buttons scroll across the zoomed image to a point of interest.

With the 93's current zoom, it simply zooms to the center of the frame.


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I think it's already been mentioned, but I'd support the addition/implementation of a scrollable/pointable zoom feature.

Used to have this in my old Denon DVD player, you could zoom and then using the directional buttons scroll across the zoomed image to a point of interest.

With the 93's current zoom, it simply zooms to the center of the frame.


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I had an old Toshiba DVD player that did this, but I didn't find much value in it.

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I had an old Toshiba DVD player that did this, but I didn't find much value in it.

I guess I'm a bit of a nut, but sometimes while watching something, I might catch a glimpse of something that makes me want to go back and take a closer look (like the little red car in Ben Hur) that requires being able to zoom AND scroll to a part of the frame that isn't in the center.


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If the streaming is improved enough of the next Oppo, I'll probably begin ripping my 1000 plus movies (BR and DVDs) to hard disc. Seagate should have some 5TB drives by then and I'll be able to build a raid system to hold all my movies. I'm having trouble estimating my exact space needs but I estimate 23TB would be enough for my current collection. A couple of my friends have twice the movies I have, they'll be ripping their movies for years.
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If the streaming is improved enough of the next Oppo, I'll probably begin ripping my 1000 plus movies (BR and DVDs) to hard disc. Seagate should have some 5TB drives by then and I'll be able to build a raid system to hold all my movies. I'm having trouble estimating my exact space needs but I estimate 23TB would be enough for my current collection. A couple of my friends have twice the movies I have, they'll be ripping their movies for years.

There remains the Achilles heel of ripping all your movies against a very large collection, do you have a lot of time to spare?

Going with a RAID 5 setup its still a very expensive proposition, based on the size of your collection at current HD prices. Don't forget the UPS.

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There remains the Achilles heel of ripping all your movies against a very large collection, do you have a lot of time to spare?

Going with a RAID 5 setup its still a very expensive proposition, based on the size of your collection at current HD prices. Don't forget the UPS.

I figure about $350 per 5 TB drive by the end of the year. I won't need a fast controller like an LSI but I would like a reliable raid 5 (or 6) controller so I'm estimating about $400 for a good controller which leaves the cage which I should be able to build a quiet but cool one for about $250 and finally another $225 for the power supply. So all in I'd say about $2,500 - which is a drop in the bucket compared to my Amps, preamps, TV or even my movie collection. Not cheap but it sure would be nice if I had easy access with a decent menu to all of my movies. Those Kaleidescape units are great but freakishly expensive in comparison.
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ISO file playback.

If future Oppo players do not support this their sales will decrease substantially. Many will not upgrade their player and will hold onto their BDP-93/95 with 2011 firmware. A sad situation for both consumers and Oppo.

Might as well ask that the next player be a Universal Media Player instead of a Universal Disc Player.

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If possible include digital inputs (optical and coaxial) especially on the 95 so one can ultilize the excellent DACs with an outboard source.

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+1 for me.

This would eliminate the need for me to use a pre/pro or a receiver to get 5.1 playback from my OTA TV signal.
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And for the love of Pete, YouTube, please give us a way to disable the autoplay of your awful "featured videos"!

This is a big one.

The YouTube app is horrible at best; there really needs to be some improvement, but I would expect that this would actually be on YouTube's end and not Oppo's.
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This is a big one.

The YouTube app is horrible at best; there really needs to be some improvement, but I would expect that this would actually be on YouTube's end and not Oppo's.

Yep! The host furnishes the app.

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I would like to see players start including a built-in decoder for standard TV-decoded closed captions, decoded and displayed by the player on the video signal. Most computer DVD playback programs have this, but VERY few stand-alone players do. There are hundreds of standard DVDs that are closed-captioned, and the format is different than the subtitles which are displayed by the player (subtitles tend to only show dialog, while captions also describe sound effects and music in a scene). Many DVDs do not even include any sort of subtitles but do have standard closed-captions, also any captioned analog source transferred to DVD with a DVD recorder retains its captions. I've even seen a few Blu-Ray discs with closed captions (including 50 First Dates and The Simpsons Movie), though those will only display if you use a player's standard or component output at 480i resolution. The current trend with players seems to be phasing out of ALL analog video outputs, which leaves them with NO way to access any closed-captions on a disc, and a time may come when TVs do not include an analog TV tuner and thus no decoding for analog captions as well. Regardless, captioned discs will always be out there and there should be an easy way to continue to use them.
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I would like to see players start including a built-in decoder for standard TV-decoded closed captions, decoded and displayed by the player on the video signal.

Yes, the industry dropped the ball on closed captions. Such a waste: all that effort into creating them.

It takes extra effort to decode and display them over HDMI and I suppose the manufacturers calculate that it is a diminishing body of content that uses CC. I don't know where the ADA comes in here, if at all. With analog going away at the industry's insistence, you'd think they could be guilted into supporting HDMI CC.

OPPO has been very good about retaining legacy features. Be sure to forward your request to them; it would be a feature that no one (?) else has and perhaps a future selling point.

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