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post #2071 of 2100 Old 09-18-2016, 08:12 AM
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There are quite a few very good HDR demos and one that deserves attention is of a roadster with the camera moving around the car. The video is divided with the same scene side by side. The left side is mastered at 1000 nits max and the right side is 100 nits. My LG E6P OLED only reaches 700 nits but that is enough to be amazed by the two masterings.

I don't remember where I downloaded it but it was produced by HDRColorGrading.com.



Here's what it is but NOT what it looks like on the display. There is a dramatic difference between the two sides.



Darbee technology also manipulates the picture but does it differently. I am very much looking forward to seeing the HDR/Darbee combo. It might drive video purists up the wall but I suspect it will be an incredible viewing experience.
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Except that the real HDR information is actually in the video signal and not a result of processing. Of course, there are some HDR TVs and players that will attempt to create artificial HDR if you turn that feature on. That would be more like what Darbee does.
HDR effect on the LG OLED is not something you want to use.
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HDR effect on the LG OLED is not something you want to use.
You mean because the native contrast on an LG OLED is 1,000,000+:1 and on an LCD it is 4000:1?

Or do you mean because of the perfect blacks?

Or the wide viewing angles?

Or?

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It's a gimmick. It's added luminance in Spectral highlights. It might even interfere with the ability to see dark detail.

Steve Shaw of Light Illusion (Lightspace software) on HDR - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OWs75BLCAA
News flash folk's back in the 1930's critics said the same thing about technicolor! It was a gimmick and would pull you out of the story. The same was said about 3D in the 1950's and widescreen for that matter. The same was said about talking pictures actually in 1929. I didn't hear a comment anywhere that he stated HDR is fake.

For those that have The Adventures of Robin Hood in HDDVD or Bluray there is a documentary called Glorious Technicolor that gives greater insight to what I stated above.


Bottom line is content is actually filmed and produced in HDR.
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You mean because the native contrast on an LG OLED is 1,000,000+:1 and on an LCD it is 4000:1?

Or do you mean because of the perfect blacks?

Or the wide viewing angles?

Or?

ISF modes for HD content are best. Moving on.
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You mean because the native contrast on an LG OLED is 1,000,000+:1 and on an LCD it is 4000:1?

Or do you mean because of the perfect blacks?

Or the wide viewing angles?

Or?


Because adding HDR to an SDR signal in the TV is not very satisfactory. It is like adding 3d to a 2d signal in the TV. Some scenes look cool. Some look stupid. None look like what the content creator intended.

On the other hand, if the content was mastered for HDR, then displaying it in HDR on a properly calibrated setup that reproduces what the content creator saw and intended in the mastering suite can be pretty nice.
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News flash folk's back in the 1930's critics said the same thing about technicolor! It was a gimmick and would pull you out of the story. The same was said about 3D in the 1950's and widescreen for that matter. The same was said about talking pictures actually in 1929. I didn't hear a comment anywhere that he stated HDR is fake.

For those that have The Adventures of Robin Hood in HDDVD or Bluray there is a documentary called Glorious Technicolor that gives greater insight to what I stated above.

Bottom line is content is actually filmed and produced in HDR.

I shouldn't have said "fake" and merely left it at gimmicky. It isn't what our eyes see in the real world, rather merely another way of displaying content. Did anyone think I didn't like it? Almost all HDR mastered at 1000 nits looks quite good....

Assuming Oppo remains true to form, in less than a year I expect my barroom will see it's 65VT60 plasma replaced by a 2017 LG OLED with higher luminance than the 2016 G6P. The so far unannounced Oppo will in all likelihood have H.235, Dolby HDR, dynamic metadata HDR10 (already demonstrated this year at NAB), and the new 4k/UHD Darbee Visual Presence.

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Fact, 35mm film can capture 13 stops of dynamic range which far outweighs the 6 stops available to 8 bit, 100 nit SDR HD content. The new HLG captures about 17.6 stops and Dolby Vision at 21 stops. We know this is beyond the ability of todays displays. Today anyway, but 35mm film can capture a far greater amount of dynamic range than we see with the limitations of SDR HD content today. Then many are shooting HDR content on digital devices which elevate what film can do.
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I shouldn't have said "fake" and merely left it at gimmicky. It isn't what our eyes see in the real world, rather merely another way of displaying content. Did anyone think I didn't like it? Almost all HDR mastered at 1000 nits looks quite good....

Assuming Oppo remains true to form, in less than a year I expect my barroom will see it's 65VT60 plasma replaced by a 2017 LG OLED with higher luminance than the 2016 G6P. The so far unannounced Oppo will in all likelihood have H.235, Dolby HDR, dynamic metadata HDR10 (already demonstrated this year at NAB), and the new 4k/UHD Darbee Visual Presence.


Perhaps some fake stuff can be added in, but for the most part HDR is used to bring out detail and colors that were already there in the original filming. I've seen many directors comment how shocked they were to see how much detail is in their HDR passes compared to their SDR passes. I'll trust those guys with HDR grading experience, im hoping they have a good idea of what's true and what's fake

Btw, has it been confirmed if the oppo is dynamic hdr10 capable? That right now is my personal biggest question mark. I'll most likely be buying the oppo 203. I've already arranged for my 103D buyback from amazon.
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Btw, has it been confirmed if the oppo is dynamic hdr10 capable? .
It's hard to be capable of something that is not yet finalized.

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Seems like oppo would be wise enough to leave the door open to handling hdmi 2.1 since drafts have been floating around for more than a year, as Philips referenced it back in August of 2015.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/download...hite_paper.pdf

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But since I'm buying the Oppo for front projection, I am most curious about its tone mapping of HDR down to SDR when fed a known nit limit of a display. Panasonic already does this well, though one has to use an HDFury to trick the Panasonic into preserving the 2020 color space while converting the output to SDR.

If Oppo is on their game, they will bake this in as a feature, just like they enable anamorphic squeeze for people using a panamorph type lenses on a projector.

Many of us need 2160p, rec2020, and SDR, for front projection.
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Mede8er has the possibility to automatically download subtitles.
It is a very useful feature, it would be very nice if Oppo would have the same feature.
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There is a first look with some great information on the UDP-203 from avForums.
https://www.avforums.com/news/first-...y-player.12972
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Anyone using their Oppo players as a music streamer?
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Anyone using their Oppo players as a music streamer?
If you're referring to accessing your own music files stored on an NAS or other type of home network storage device then yes...

But I'm not sure what your question has to do with regards to the scope of this topic!
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^ that will probably be my next player. I had sold off my 105 a way to long ago. That way I wouldn't be trying to sell it now. Resale value. I sold it waiting out for the new ultra hd player. I have missed it very much.

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There is a first look with some great information on the UDP-203 from avForums.
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Wow! Looks great.
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Anyone using their Oppo players as a music streamer?


Along with movies from my PC I also stream music from my computer.
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As a feature on the Oppo203 I would like it to include Amazon Video. It was unclear to me on the 103 thread who is at fault for not having it yet. As an Amazon Prime member I would really like to see this on the 203.
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I also fine this nit sue if is alrwady here or not

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Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately he didn't mention the streaming capabilities being improved. I understand not everyone cares about it but for me it is the only reason for me to upgrade my 103s.
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Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately he didn't mention the streaming capabilities being improved. I understand not everyone cares about it but for me it is the only reason for me to upgrade my 103s.
Well I believe with new player it will be improved. Netflix, Amazon and hope some other apps will be available I guess.

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Well I believe with new player it will be improved. Netflix, Amazon and hope some other apps will be available I guess.
If it has something like plex or mezzmo or emby or some such integration for streaming from my computer I'll buy 2 the first week they hit the market but if not I doubt I'll purchase a new disc player (except for my computer). I have about 1600 Blurays ripped from my collection to my computer along with an insane amount of TV shows for binge watching.

Frankly streaming from Netflix is OK but doesn't match the colors, clarity or audio of a ripped BD. Again I realize not everyone streams from their computer but I love not having to go to my cabinet to find the right bluray (particularly if someone misfiles it- could take an hour to search). I admit it took a LONG time to rip them (even using 3 computers simultaneously) but I have no regrets other than I didn't do it much sooner.


When I first found out about Oppo's streaming capability on my 103 I thought - big deal - I'd never use that. But I kept reading about people who had done it and I thought I'd try it to see if I could get it to work. Once I started using MakeMKV I was hooked!


Again - not faulting Oppo for including better computer streaming as not everyone does it - I'm just very disappointed since the 103 is well built, reliable, has great everything hardware wise! I would have felt more comfortable getting a new oppo then buying a NVidia shield 2 or some other media player. Plus I can control the Oppo with my Logitech Harmony One!

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One thing I think they could do that kind of bugged me about the 103 is separate the settings options from the playback options. I'd like to have a disc playing and adjust the volume level or audio playback to bitstream, color etc. so I can tell what the difference is.
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One thing I think they could do that kind of bugged me about the 103 is separate the settings options from the playback options. I'd like to have a disc playing and adjust the volume level or audio playback to bitstream, color etc. so I can tell what the difference is.
Uhm, you can already do all that with the 103. Certain setting changes are blocked due to the rules enforced by Blu-ray certification. For example, you can't change whether Secondary Audio is on or off while a Blu-ray is playing. But you can already change main Volume for the Analog outs, or switch between LPCM vs. Bitstream for HDMI audio output, or change Color Space for video output, or adjust the Picture Adjustment controls while a disc is playing.
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If I want to change LPCM vs. Bitstream - how do I do that while the disc is playing? I've always gone to the home menu and flipped to settings at the end which stops the movie on my oppo.
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If I want to change LPCM vs. Bitstream - how do I do that while the disc is playing? I've always gone to the home menu and flipped to settings at the end which stops the movie on my oppo.
While the movie is playing, simply press Setup on the Remote and go to the Audio settings. You will be able to change between LPCM and Bitstream while the movie continues playing. There will be an HDMI handshake (audio muted) as the new output format gets established.

If you are going to compare them, it is best to set Secondary Audio to OFF, which you have to do BEFORE starting the disc as I mentioned above.
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^ Just to be clear here, you have to be playing a Bitstream track from the disc to get Bitstream output.

If you select an LPCM track from the disc, you can only get LPCM output. So for example a CD (LPCM 2.0 44.1kHz 16-bit) will only ever be sent out on HDMI as LPCM, even if you have Bitstream set in Setup.

So to compare Bitstream output (decoding happens in your AVR) vs. LPCM output (decoding happens in the OPPO) select a Bitstream track from the disc, and then toggle the LPCM/Bitstream setting in Setup while the disc is playing.

Also keep in mind that depending on how your AVR works, there may be a Volume difference between LPCM and Bitstream. You can check that using a calibration disc and a sound pressure level (SPL) meter. If you find a difference, be prepared to adjust Volume in the AVR as you switch between LPCM and Bitstream to get a fair comparison.
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