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post #181 of 3525 Old 04-15-2012, 10:50 AM
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Not so with the 790.

It has nothing to do with this model. There is no HDMI audio without sending video too... the audio is embedded. Now they don't have to send the same video signal to the audio only output but they do have to send video. And based on what type of audio it is certain resolutions (higher) in order to keep up.

A search or two will provide the gory details...

Since HDMI audio is embedded in HDMI video, and since HDMI video has a built in re-sync on every raster line, the amount of clock drift possible in clocking the audio out of the input signal is inherently limited to what can happen in the short amount of time that passes transmitting a single raster line of video.

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So you are saying the receiver is corrupting the video?

Receivers can manipulate video. So can video procrssors. Hell you are only in Indy drive up sometime and i will show you.

The purist signal is the best straight from the source. It has always been that way. Remember how many always swore by sending 480i dvd straight to the display or VP? Same concept. Again, test patterns prove it. Even if it is subtle on some displays it is still there. Best of both worlds can only be achieved with dual hdmi outs.

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It has nothing to do with this model. There is no HDMI audio without sending video too... the audio is embedded. Now they don't have to send the same video signal to the audio only output but they do have to send video. And based on what type of audio it is certain resolutions (higher) in order to keep up.

Get a 790 and see ( or hear).

Do you plan to get one?

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If you are not careful to specify that the receiver do no HDMI video processing, then it certainly will modify the bitstream coming from the player. Exactly what it might do depends on the AVR's capabilities -- upscaling or framerate conversion for DVDs, for example. Often the scaler in a player (or display device) is better than what's in the AVR. Another issue is the signal level provided by the HDMI drivers in the AVR. If it's too low coming out from the AVR, it'll have problems driving a display over long cables. Also, it is my understanding that the HDMI outputs of some players have problems when they detect an AVR's HDMI repeater.

In addition, some gamers report that the delay introduced by an AVR's HDMI repeater can be noticeable.

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Do you plan to get one?

Certainly. If I found just one reason... I tested the 1000ES which had the same hubbub and quickly returned it as all of the over processing it could do my projector could duplicate and I didn't prefer the artificial outcome. Plus, I use video pass through with my receiver. Can't see anything I would gain...
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I understand what charles is saying. The 790 is Sonys first go with dual hdmi outs. It behaves different then the panny, oppo or onkyo models. Reminds me more of the 09fd in that regard.

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Certainly. If I thought either claim had any logic behind them... I tested the 1000ES which had the same hubbub and quickly returned it as all of the over processing it could do my projector could duplicate and I didn't prefer the artificial outcome.

Then why are you hanging out here? seriously you shouldnt get one.

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Then why are you hanging out here? seriously you shouldnt get one.

To see if it's worth a try. So far not so much.
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I also think the 790 is the best player available today. They sold out fast at J&R. They will sell out everywhere at its low price.

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Hi, joerod. Can you check BDP-S790 for play 4K video through USB and via the Youtube.Such as:

youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88 - TimeScapes 4K
youtube.com/watch?v=rdQ0i3v_KVY - ((Secret World)) 4k Footage
youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8 - Life in the Garden (4k resolution)
youtube.com/watch?v=D30a61m5byk - "Lupe" (4k resolution)
youtube.com/watch?v=9dgSa4wmMzk - Surf NYC (4K resolution)

in Original resolution.

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Hi, joerod. Can you check BDP-S790 for play 4K video through USB and via the Youtube.Such as:

youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88 - TimeScapes 4K
youtube.com/watch?v=rdQ0i3v_KVY - ((Secret World)) 4k Footage
youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8 - Life in the Garden (4k resolution)
youtube.com/watch?v=D30a61m5byk - "Lupe" (4k resolution)
youtube.com/watch?v=9dgSa4wmMzk - Surf NYC (4K resolution)

in Original resolution.

Thanks in advance.

The YouTube client in the s790 cannot playback YouTube 4k streams.
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How is this BD player if you leave the video settings off? I think I would rather have my pro-calibrated TV do all the work. I probably would have bought this over Oppo 93 I bought if it was available months ago.
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Thank you apw2607 for response.Do you know how the 4k resolution mp4 files through USB ?
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Thank you apw2607 for response.Do you know how the 4k resolution mp4 files through USB ?

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It's a pity :-(
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Technically, you can't have audio only via HDMI as I believe it's embedded within the video signal.

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Not so with the 790. If you try it stops you and says video is only available over hdmi 1 when Separation Mode is engaged. And vice versa when using hdmi 1. It will tell you audio is only on 2.

Yes, it's so.

What you're seeing or not hearing is a firmware flag at the HDMI Transmitter level turning on and off that effectively mutes the audio or video. The signal is still there. Charles is correct. Marketing smoke and mirrors, nothing more.
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Yes, it's so.

What you're seeing or not hearing is a firmware flag at the HDMI Transmitter level turning on and off that effectively mutes the audio or video. The signal is still there. Charles is correct. Marketing smoke and mirrors, nothing more.

I never said he wasn't correct. I was just saying the 790 it is not the case. Even though it is there the 790 blocks it. Not sure why this is relevant to the 790 discussion. I won't post about it again.

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How is this BD player if you leave the video settings off? I think I would rather have my pro-calibrated TV do all the work. I probably would have bought this over Oppo 93 I bought if it was available months ago.

Still terrific. The settings are just the icing on the cake.

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Still terrific. The settings are just the icing on the cake.

I read your review & appreciate the posting. I do have a question though. In your review, you indicate that you run HDMI 1 from the 790 straight to your display & HDMI 2 from the 790 to your receiver. I too have always agreed that the straight shot is always better (even if a receiver is pass-through only). But when you run HDMI 2 from the 790 to the AVR, does the AVR still show (on it's LED panel) the audio codecs being sent such as Dolby True HD, DTS HD, etc?

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I read your review & appreciate the posting. I do have a question though. In your review, you indicate that you run HDMI 1 from the 790 straight to your display & HDMI 2 from the 790 to your receiver. I too have always agreed that the straight shot is always better (even if a receiver is pass-through only). But when you run HDMI 2 from the 790 to the AVR, does the AVR still show (on it's LED panel) the audio codecs being sent such as Dolby True HD, DTS HD, etc?

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I was wondering that to besides my question about the dual hdmi function. The samsung bd-d6700 that I owned for a short time would allow you to send a/v through both hdmi outputs at the same time or just have video go to 1 and audio to the other. Can't recall the setting exactly on the sammy but i think it was auto and dual. Was hoping this unit could do it as well. I could tell when i would view hdmi 2 as the source through avr that the picture looked brighter than hdmi 1 that was connected directly to hdtv. I have a onkyo tx-nr609 set to direct for my bd player. Prior to the firmware update there was some issues with stuttering even with processing turned off so I know the avr molests the video and when I find a dual hdmi that's a keeper I will be happy. Can't justify the purchase of an oppo.
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I was wondering that to besides my question about the dual hdmi function. The samsung bd-d6700 that I owned for a short time would allow you to send a/v through both hdmi outputs at the same time or just have video go to 1 and audio to the other. Can't recall the setting exactly on the sammy but i think it was auto and dual. Was hoping this unit could do it as well. I could tell when i would view hdmi 2 as the source through avr that the picture looked brighter than hdmi 1 that was connected directly to hdtv. I have a onkyo tx-nr609 set to direct for my bd player. Prior to the firmware update there was some issues with stuttering even with processing turned off so I know the avr molests the video and when I find a dual hdmi that's a keeper I will be happy. Can't justify the purchase of an oppo.

Tried 2 of the sammy bd-d6700. 1 would not play a brand new workout dvd (not bluray) for my g-friend and 1 would not load netflix. Other than that I would have kept it. Kind of glad I did return after testing the panny dmp-bdt320 and hearing netflix in dd but audio sync was way out and I figured I replace it with a good dual hdmi unit when I could find one and move the panny into my bedroom to replace an older sammy. Don't have avr in bedroom. Don't think i want to try the panny dmp-bdt500 after experience i had with the 320 so i'm down to this sony in my search so any info provided is much appreciated and thanks joerod for helping us in our decision making. Great forum and great people.
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This players supports SACD, upconverts to 4K, and has relatively sophisticated video processing at $250. Will this be the player to put oppo out of business?
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I never said he wasn't correct. I was just saying the 790 it is not the case. Even though it is there the 790 blocks it. Not sure why this is relevant to the 790 discussion. I won't post about it again.

Back to the thread.

It's relevant as it is the BDP-S790 thread. Your post was about the duel HDMI out-puts of the BDP-S790 and something less than accurate. Someone pointed that out.

If you look under the hood, I think you'll find the BDP-S790 has one HDMI transmitter with two, parallel out-puts. The audio or video of the out-puts are muted via firmware flag from user setup. The signals are not discrete; audio and video remains live on both HDMI outputs, just flagged. It's a design feature of the HDMI Tx; the rest is marketing.

I was just saying...
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But the OPPO will stay - I doubt the Sony will play my PAL DVDs. Definitely like to rid myself of some snarky pain in the butt Samsung 3D players!
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But the OPPO will stay - I doubt the Sony will play my PAL DVDs. Definitely like to rid myself of some snarky pain in the butt Samsung 3D players!

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Any idea how long before 4KBD's become available? And when there will be a 4KBD player that can play them?
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I read your review & appreciate the posting. I do have a question though. In your review, you indicate that you run HDMI 1 from the 790 straight to your display & HDMI 2 from the 790 to your receiver. I too have always agreed that the straight shot is always better (even if a receiver is pass-through only). But when you run HDMI 2 from the 790 to the AVR, does the AVR still show (on it's LED panel) the audio codecs being sent such as Dolby True HD, DTS HD, etc?

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It's relevant as it is the BDP-S790 thread. Your post was about the duel HDMI out-puts of the BDP-S790 and something less than accurate. Someone pointed that out.

If you look under the hood, I think you'll find the BDP-S790 has one HDMI transmitter with two, parallel out-puts. The audio or video of the out-puts are muted via firmware flag from user setup. The signals are not discrete; audio and video remains live on both HDMI outputs, just flagged. It's a design feature of the HDMI Tx; the rest is marketing.

I was just saying...

Got it. But the info I gave pertaining to the 790 was accurate. That is how it behaves. Not sure what the big deal is. The simple fact is the Sony does not follow the rule he stated. I pointed that out. End of story?

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This players supports SACD, upconverts to 4K, and has relatively sophisticated video processing at $250. Will this be the player to put oppo out of business?

I told oppo about 6 months ago (beta tester) they needed to come out with a
Player around 250 that offered as much or more than their 93. I was laughed at in the beta forum when I brought this up. I was serious though. I even said make it half the size. Call it a 93 lite or something but make sure it offered the same image quality while improving streaming. Told them the market they could not reach at 500 would embrace it. I guess someone heard me!

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