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joerod, i am a 780 owner, i dont understand very well english, then i dont know if you answer this question before. The dual hdmi of 790 can transmit video signal simultaneously from hdmi1 and hdmi2? Because usually i have connected my hdmi out to my plasma display, but ocasionally i use a projector (weekend...) then i need unplug the hdmi cable and plug to projector. If both hdmi outs of 790 can send video signal then i dont need unplug and plug the cable....
And another question, has you compared the 2d-3d conversion of 790 with the 780?
And the last question, do you know (or anybody) if is possible connect the camera for skype to both usb inputs? in the 780 only can connect the camera to the front usb, then you cannot connect a hdd and camera simultaneously.
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I told oppo about 6 months ago (beta tester) they needed to come out with a
Player around 250 that offered as much or more than their 93. I was laughed at in the beta forum when I brought this up. I was serious though. I even said make it half the size. Call it a 93 lite or something but make sure it offered the same image quality while improving streaming. Told them the market they could not reach at 500 would embrace it. I guess someone heard me!

I'm sure Oppo has developed a reputation for quality; it's also likely some people WANT to pay a premium for bragging rights; but like Lexus and Acura, Sony may very well be able to duplicate their quality and performance at half the price. If so, Oppo must either drop prices or be driven out of business.
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I'm sure Oppo has developed a reputation for quality; it's also likely some people WANT to pay a premium for bragging rights; but like Lexus and Acura, Sony may very well be able to duplicate their quality and performance at half the price. If so, Oppo must either drop prices or be driven out of business.

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Hopefully they do have something up their sleeve. I am not privy to that info though I do get a Christmas card with chocolates every year from them.

Thanks, Joerod, for the wonderful review you published on the 790. Since you have a projector, I can appreciate your need for the improved PQ. However, I have a 'small' Samsung LED panel.

I watched some BDs and Netflix HD this weekend on my 590 and, honestly, I can't imagine what 'better' PQ would look like. The Netflix stuff looked unbelievable and, well, BDs are what they are.

I am tempted to upgrade for improved build quality - the 590 is irritating to look at, both with its goofy shape and the piano black plastic look. But I got mine at Target for 119.00 and I really can't justify going to 250.00 for better looking plastic

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Hi guys,

I've been trawling the forums for some time making my eyes bleed lol and have now managed to readh through the Panny 220/320.etc, Sony S390/590 owners threads with interest.

I just got hold of a Panny 220 and have a few days to play and test it's streaming capabilities, which thus far have proved to be a bit of a mixed bag.

I've seen alot of excited comments and some subjective views from JoeRod (yes I read your review too Joe :P) about this S790.......I'm sure alot of what Joe has to say is true, however I cant help but think that Joe is on comission by Sony by the high level of excitement Joe is pushing onto everyone reading this thread. hehe.


Anyways, on topic, Im wondering why nobody has touched base on the S790's DLNA, USB, NAS/Shared Folders capabilities and Im wondering if none of you HT guys utilise a digital library to view your content instead of having to get up and put a disc in etc.

What file/container types are supported via USB, are the same supported via DLNA and what about NAS streaming with this unit?

There are features I like in this product as I do with the Panny, but since most of my library is in digital format (disks in various boxes in the loft), apart from VOD streaming, LAN streaming is very important to me, so would like to understand wht this unit is or is not capable of.

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Thanks, Joerod, for the wonderful review you published on the 790. Since you have a projector, I can appreciate your need for the improved PQ. However, I have a 'small' Samsung LED panel.

I watched some BDs and Netflix HD this weekend on my 590 and, honestly, I can't imagine what 'better' PQ would look like. The Netflix stuff looked unbelievable and, well, BDs are what they are.

I am tempted to upgrade for improved build quality - the 590 is irritating to look at, both with its goofy shape and the piano black plastic look. But I got mine at Target for 119.00 and I really can't justify going to 250.00 for better looking plastic

Cheers! -- Ken

If you scroll up a bit I listed out the differences between the 590/790.

So far with the s790 the Hulu + app crashed the player causing a reboot.

On two other occasions the video out went weird where in one case all the colors were wrong, and the other the screen just was all distorted and flickering. Restarting the player seemed to resolve them.

My s590 has yet to replicate them.
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Hi guys,

I've been trawling the forums for some time making my eyes bleed lol and have now managed to readh through the Panny 220/320.etc, Sony S390/590 owners threads with interest.

I just got hold of a Panny 220 and have a few days to play and test it's streaming capabilities, which thus far have proved to be a bit of a mixed bag.

I've seen alot of excited comments and some subjective views from JoeRod (yes I read your review too Joe :P) about this S790.......I'm sure alot of what Joe has to say is true, however I cant help but think that Joe is on comission by Sony by the high level of excitement Joe is pushing onto everyone reading this thread. hehe.

Anyways, on topic, Im wondering why nobody has touched base on the S790's DLNA, USB, NAS/Shared Folders capabilities and Im wondering if none of you HT guys utilise a digital library to view your content instead of having to get up and put a disc in etc.

What file/container types are supported via USB, are the same supported via DLNA and what about NAS streaming with this unit?

There are features I like in this product as I do with the Panny, but since most of my library is in digital format (disks in various boxes in the loft), apart from VOD streaming, LAN streaming is very important to me, so would like to understand wht this unit is or is not capable of.

G.

Dnla features on the s790 are exactly the same as on the s590/390. If you've read through that thread it should have given you some ideas.

The formats the Sony supports are in the owners manual.

It would support NAS if it ran its own dnla server but it won't just see a network drive

Dnla / USB are now the same. USB now supports NTFS.

yes to Mkv but no vc-1 native. Only avc mpeg4

No divx in USA players.

No aac audio native.
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Hi guys,

I've been trawling the forums for some time making my eyes bleed lol and have now managed to readh through the Panny 220/320.etc, Sony S390/590 owners threads with interest.

I just got hold of a Panny 220 and have a few days to play and test it's streaming capabilities, which thus far have proved to be a bit of a mixed bag.

I've seen alot of excited comments and some subjective views from JoeRod (yes I read your review too Joe :P) about this S790.......I'm sure alot of what Joe has to say is true, however I cant help but think that Joe is on comission by Sony by the high level of excitement Joe is pushing onto everyone reading this thread. hehe.


Anyways, on topic, Im wondering why nobody has touched base on the S790's DLNA, USB, NAS/Shared Folders capabilities and Im wondering if none of you HT guys utilise a digital library to view your content instead of having to get up and put a disc in etc.

What file/container types are supported via USB, are the same supported via DLNA and what about NAS streaming with this unit?

There are features I like in this product as I do with the Panny, but since most of my library is in digital format (disks in various boxes in the loft), apart from VOD streaming, LAN streaming is very important to me, so would like to understand wht this unit is or is not capable of.

G.

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Dnla features on the s790 are exactly the same as on the s590/390. If you've read through that thread it should have given you some ideas.

The formats the Sony supports are in the owners manual.

It would support NAS if it ran its own dnla server but it won't just see a network drive

Dnla / USB are now the same. USB now supports NTFS.

yes to Mkv but no vc-1 native. Only avc mpeg4

No divx in USA players.

No aac audio native.

Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I do have some ideas, but it is far from concise all of the formats the players are able to accomodate.

So if DLNA and USB are the same, it will play the same type of encoded or container file via both sources.....is how I interpet it.

Shame about VC1, but also shame that it will only support AVC in an MKV container what about MT2S, has this been tested?

Im not in USA but dont care much about Divx anyway.

Errrm, no AAC? What does this mean in real terms, if I have MKV containers with AAC audio, the audio will not be decoded?

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Thanks for the feedback.

Yes, I do have some ideas, but it is far from concise all of the formats the players are able to accomodate.

So if DLNA and USB are the same, it will play the same type of encoded or container file via both sources.....is how I interpet it.

Shame about VC1, but also shame that it will only support AVC in an MKV container what about MT2S, has this been tested?

Im not in USA but dont care much about Divx anyway.

Errrm, no AAC? What does this mean in real terms, if I have MKV containers with AAC audio, the audio will not be decoded?

G.

The AAC comment was just for folks that may have a large iTunes purchased music library (thats non drm)

Yes, as far as I can tell USB and DLNA seem to behaving the same.

I've not tried MT2S, but I think thats ok. MT2S is listed in the book if I recall.
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Folks, Sony Rewards have the s790 for $225 incl shipping. You'll have to add tax though, if thats applicable to you.
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The AAC comment was just for folks that may have a large iTunes purchased music library (thats non drm)

Yes, as far as I can tell USB and DLNA seem to behaving the same.

I've not tried MT2S, but I think thats ok. MT2S is listed in the book if I recall.

So far so good then, thanks again.

One final question if I may, the Panny 220 Im currently playing around with will only allow fast forward or rewind functions on MP4 encoded files and then only via USB source, all other formats, although it will play them, if you ask it to fast forward it will only pause the stream.

Have you tried fast forwarding or rewinding any encoded material on the Sony and what is the behaviour from your experience?

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Believe it or not I am not paid by Sony or any company for that matter. This is just my hobby.

I do Joe, I was just 'jerking with you'....as you yanks so elegantly put it lol :P

I did however also try to make the point that one's comments can be percieved as overly enthusiastic and therefore be considered as biased, wrightly or wrongly, and thus have the opposite effect of the intended feedback

My hobby, for the record is the close examination of skimpy bikinis

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This players supports SACD, upconverts to 4K, and has relatively sophisticated video processing at $250. Will this be the player to put oppo out of business?

I have both a the Oppo 93 and Sony S590. The S790 does not sound better or has better pq than the S590. The 93 does sound better than the S590, even when connected rca digitally to $18K Wadia S7i. I believe 4K is marketing fluff, especially right now.
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So far so good then, thanks again.

One final question if I may, the Panny 220 Im currently playing around with will only allow fast forward or rewind functions on MP4 encoded files and then only via USB source, all other formats, although it will play them, if you ask it to fast forward it will only pause the stream.

Have you tried fast forwarding or rewinding any encoded material on the Sony and what is the behaviour from your experience?

G.

I've tried FF and REW and next chapter/ previous chapter search with MKV AVC mpeg 4 from DLNA and it works perfectly. A caveat though. This feature is dependent on the DLna server you're using and they way it can provide the info to the player. I'm using elgato eye connect. I've tried serviio too, and although the files playback fine ff/rw ran into some issues.
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I have both a the Oppo 93 and Sony S590. The S790 does not sound better or has better pq than the S590. The 93 does sound better than the S590, even when connected rca digitally to $18K Wadia S7i. I believe 4K is marketing fluff, especially right now.

Really? I picked up a 590 at Target and also have the 93. The 790 after tweaking beats both. Especially with 3D! What display are you using?

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I've tried FF and REW and next chapter/ previous chapter search with MKV AVC mpeg 4 from DLNA and it works perfectly. A caveat though. This feature is dependent on the DLna server you're using and they way it can provide the info to the player. I'm using elgato eye connect. I've tried serviio too, and although the files playback fine ff/rw ran into some issues.

Roger Wilco! Many thanks for the feedback it has been most useful.

Good to know up front about Servio temprament.

I will play with the Panny some more tonight but it looks like its going to be boxed back up for a refund.

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Really? I picked up a 590 at Target and also have the 93. The 790 after tweaking beats both. Especially with 3D! What display are you using?

I agree. As I said I'm normally not one for these additional video settings but the 790 with the default auto setting and film 2 mode for ip content looks improved over the 590 IMO.
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I do Joe, I was just 'jerking with you'....as you yanks so elegantly put it lol :P

I did however also try to make the point that one's comments can be percieved as overly enthusiastic and therefore be considered as biased, wrightly or wrongly, and thus have the opposite effect of the intended feedback

My hobby, for the record is the close examination of skimpy bikinis

G.

G., great hobby! And for future reference, we Yanks like to elegantly (and not so eloquently) like to say someone is "jerking you around"........ but no harm, no foul.
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To the owners who also have an Oppo 93, can you comment on:

1) How the DLNA streaming is compared to the Oppo 93 (I actually have great streaming with the 93 via PS3 Media Server)... is it comparable/better?

2) How is the noise of the player when running vs the 93? The 93 is, effectively, silent. But also tends to get quite warm due to the lack of fans. No issues from that thus far at all though.

And, probably a bit too big of a request... but can one of the owners shoot a quick video showing the actual performance of the Netflix UI? That is a HUGE deal to me. I'm hoping it's comparable to the PS3's performance (especially given that the 790 appears to be the only "dual-core" stand alone Bluray player ever).

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Really? I picked up a 590 at Target and also have the 93. The 790 after tweaking beats both. Especially with 3D! What display are you using?

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Where on Sony website does it say the S780 has any different video or audio processing? The only diff. I see is 4K and 2 hdmi.
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I'm not going to argue whether the S790 has better PQ/AQ than other players, including Sony's older models. I suppose it all comes down to the type of setups people have as all BD Players from the major companies should offer similar PQ/AQ performance. With that being said, I currently own an old Sony S770 and a S780 and to my eyes, the S790 offers better PQ. No, the differences are not day and night, but the Picture is just better, awesome, and I just preffer it over my old Sony players. I too had the Panny 320 for a few days and again, I think the S790 PQ was superior......Now, I kept the player at the dafault video settings, Auto. Would that be the equivalent to "Standard" ? There's another one that says "Direct" not sure what that does. I am a firm believer that any tweaks should be done at the display and not the BD player, so I would like to make sure my S790 is outputting the picture at the standard level.
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I have both a the Oppo 93 and Sony S590. The S790 does not sound better or has better pq than the S590. The 93 does sound better than the S590, even when connected rca digitally to $18K Wadia S7i. I believe 4K is marketing fluff, especially right now.

You say have an oppo and a 590, yet you make claims about the PQ and AQ of the 790, which you don't have.
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Hi!
I´m new to this forum. Thank´s all for good info and nice chat.
However - have sony S790 a function with subtitleshift like oppo and philips bdp 9600??
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And, probably a bit too big of a request... but can one of the owners shoot a quick video showing the actual performance of the Netflix UI? That is a HUGE deal to me. I'm hoping it's comparable to the PS3's performance (especially given that the 790 appears to be the only "dual-core" stand alone Bluray player ever).

Search the 590 and 390 thread on netflix. There's loads of posts on this, and the overall performance, both UI responsiveness and time to play. The 790 behaves no differently from the 590 and 390 in terms of load time (netflix) and UI responsiveness. Sony isn't going to rewrite all their client apps to support dual cores and multi-threading. It just isn't going to happen.
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I´m new to this forum. Thank´s all for good info and nice chat.
However - have sony S790 a function with subtitleshift like oppo and philips bdp 9600??
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I'm not going to argue whether the S790 has better PQ/AQ than other players, including Sony's older models. I suppose it all comes down to the type of setups people have as all BD Players from the major companies should offer similar PQ/AQ performance. With that being said, I currently own an old Sony S770 and a S780 and to my eyes, the S790 offers better PQ. No, the differences are not day and night, but the Picture is just better, awesome, and I just preffer it over my old Sony players. I too had the Panny 320 for a few days and again, I think the S790 PQ was superior......Now, I kept the player at the dafault video settings, Auto. Would that be the equivalent to "Standard" ? There's another one that says "Direct" not sure what that does. I am a firm believer that any tweaks should be done at the display and not the BD player, so I would like to make sure my S790 is outputting the picture at the standard level.


I think if you want untouched video out you need to select "Direct". Auto (imo) attempts to do some "touching up". Its seems to work differently depending on what you are playing, so maybe has some "smarts" about it. Its a shame Sony don't provide any info on what it does ....
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Search the 590 and 390 thread on netflix. There's loads of posts on this, and the overall performance, both UI responsiveness and time to play. The 790 behaves no differently from the 590 and 390 in terms of load time (netflix) and UI responsiveness. Sony isn't going to rewrite all their client apps to support dual cores and multi-threading. It just isn't going to happen.

Thanks. Sounds good from the info on that thread. So I'm guessing that the DLNA performance is likewise identical? Sounds like the 590 would mostly fit the bill for me, but much prefer the shape of the 790, so will likely go for this one.
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Really? I picked up a 590 at Target and also have the 93. The 790 after tweaking beats both. Especially with 3D! What display are you using?

Joe, would the 790 help 3D performance on a handicapped 3D TV such as the Sony KDL-EX720 (i.e. 120HZ refresh rate)?
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