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Sony BDP-S790 Highlights

3D Blu-ray Disc Full HD 1080p playback
Built-in Wi-Fi for streaming entertainment
Sony Entertainment Network: Netflix, YouTube, Pandora, Hulu Plus and more
Skype capability with optional camera
Super Bit Mapping
Fast performance with built-in Dual Core Processor for fast performance.
Dual HDMI output. Two HDMI® outputs to connect even legacy audio products to enjoy 3D and HD sound quality. Connect one port to your HDTV for stunning 3D images and the other port to an AV amplifier for surround sound reproduction.
and 4K upscaling for amazing picture quality

Don't you need a 4K display or projector to get the 4K upscaling? I wonder what is the quality of a 4K upscale picture?

For more info from Sony's website, see link below:

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...specifications

Video Features

•24p True Cinema™ Technology : Yes
•3D Playback : Yes
•BD-R/RE Read Compatibility : Yes (BD-R / BD-RE )
•BD-ROM : Bonus View(Profile1.1); BD-Live(Profile2.0); BD-ROM (SL/DL)
•DVD Camcorder 8cm DVD : Yes RW/-R (+VR)
•DVD Playback : Yes
•DVD+R Read Compatibility : Yes (+VR)
•DVD+RW Read Compatibility : Yes (+VR)
•DVD-R Read Compatibility : Yes
•DVD-RW Read Compatibility : Yes (+VR)
•JPEG Playback : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•Noise Reduction : Yes (BNR on DVDs Only)
•PhotoTV HD : Yes
•Picture Parameter Adjustments : Yes (Brightness/Contrast/Hue/Color)
•x.v.Color™ Technology : Yes

BD

•HD (24Hz) (24p True Cinema) : Yes
•HD (50Hz) : No
•HD (60Hz) : 480i480p720p1080i1080p
•HD 24Hz to 60Hz conversion : Yes

DVD

•DVD 24p output : Yes
•TV Type Default Setting : 16:9

Audio Features

Coaxial

•DTS Neo 6 : Yes
•DTS bit-stream out : Yes
•Dolby Digital bit-stream out : Yes
•LPCM 2ch (~96kHz/~24bit) out : Yes

Decodability

•AV Sync : Yes
•Dolby® : Dolby True HD decoding (5.1Ch)
•dts : dts-HD Master Audio decoding (MA)

HDMI Audio Out

•DSD output : Yes
•DSD to LPCM conversion out : Yes
•DTS HD Master Audio bit-stream out : Yes
•Dolby TrueHD bit-stream out : Yes
•LPCM 2ch out : Yes
•LPCM 6ch out : Yes
•LPCM 8ch out : Yes

Supported Media

CD

•CD (CD-DA) : Yes
•CD-R/-RW : Yes
•SA-CD (SA-CD/CD) : Yes

BD-ROM

•BD-Live (Profile2.0) : Yes
•BD-ROM (SL/DL) : Yes
•Bonus View (Profile1.1) : Yes

Video

•AVCHD Disc Format Folder : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•MPEG-1 Video/PS (.mpg .mpeg, .m2ts, .mts) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•MPEG-2 Video/PS, TS ( .mpg.mpeg, .m2ts, .mts) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•MPEG-4 AVC (.mkv, .mp4, .m4v, .m2ts, .mts) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA

Hybrid Disc

•BD/CD : Yes (select in set-up menu)
•BD/DVD : Yes (select in set-up menu)
•HDDVD/DVD : Yes(DVD)

Music

•AAC (.m4a) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•LPCM (.wav) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•MP3 (.mp3) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA
•WMA9 Standard (.wma) : BD/DVD/CD/USB/DLNA

Mixed Disc

•BDAV/BDMV : Yes (BDMV)

BDMV

•BD-R : Yes (ver.3.0, SL/DL)
•BD-RE : Yes (ver.2.0, SL/DL)

For troubleshooting: http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/mod...=3&mdl=BDPS790

Firmware Updates:

*Release Date 5/16/2012 Version M13.R.0369 File Size 109.26 MB:

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M13.R.0369 and provides the following benefits:
Improvements over firmware version M13.R.0325:
•Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity
•Adds support for automatic setting of AV Separation Output Mode which allows you to set up connected devices automatically using Bravia Sync

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M13.R.0369:
◦Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
◦Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature

Notes:
■The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar™ menu.
■This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.

◦Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service

 

 

*Release Date 8/4/2012 Version M13.R.0443 File Size 107.89 MB:

 

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M13.R.0443 and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version M13.R.0369:

  • Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M13.R.0443:

  • Adds support for automatic setting of AV Separation Output Mode which allows you to set up connected devices automatically using Bravia Sync
  • Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
  • Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature
    Notes:
    • The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar™ menu.
    • This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.
  • Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service

 

*Release Date 12/8/2012 Version M13.R.0460 File Size 107.89 MB:

 

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M13.R.0460 and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version M13.R.0443:

  • Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M13.R.0460:

  • Adds support for automatic setting of AV Separation Output Mode which allows you to set up connected devices automatically using Bravia Sync
  • Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
  • Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature
    Notes:
    • The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar™ menu.
    • This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.
  • Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service

 

*Release Date 5/24/13 Version M13.R.0491 File Size 109.09 MB:

 

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M13.R.0491 and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version M13.R.0460:

  • Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity
  • Improves BD-ROM playability

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M13.R.0491:

  • Adds support for automatic setting of AV Separation Output Mode which allows you to set up connected devices automatically using Bravia Sync
  • Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
  • Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature
    Notes:
    • The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar™ menu.
    • This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.
  • Adds the ability to use the Skype® online calling service
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Yes. U need a 4k display or projector.
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Yes. U need a 4k display or projector.

To take advantage of the 4k that is. :-)
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I wonder what is the quality of a 4K upscale picture?

I couldn't say as I haven't tested this unit but a good upscaler can do wonders. The upscaler in the Oppo makes DVDs look near (not as good as but near) BR quality. It also takes some crappy copies of TV shows I've downloaded and significantly improves them.
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Onkyo recievers have had 4K upscalers in all thier 2011 models. 4K bluray is definitely in the works and there is far more content already in 4K from finished studio masters than 3-D will ever have. 2013 is no kidding a very realistic intro for 4K bluray.
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Don't you need a 4K display or projector to get the 4K upscaling?

Actually, I believe there are some (commercial) technologies that allow the use of four 1920x1080 ("thin bezel") displays arranged in a 2x2 matrix to be used as a lower cost 'substitute' for one 3840x2160 display...?!
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OP, request you change the title of this thread to "Official Sony BDP-S790 Thread." I started the "official" thread, however a moderator shut me down as I apparently started my thread mere seconds after you had already posted this thread. Therefore I request the renaming of this thread to standardize with other "official" blu-ray player threads.
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OP, request you change the title of this thread to "Official Sony BDP-S790 Thread." I started the "official" thread, however a moderator shut me down as I apparently started my thread mere seconds after you had already posted this thread. Therefore I request the renaming of this thread to standardize with other "official" blu-ray player threads.

Agreed. Thought the other thread should have been saved.
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I appreciate the title change! I don't mind that my thread was locked, as long as well all can identify the definitive "official" thread for this new blu-ray player.

Looking forward to reading the reviews when the 790 is released in April 12.
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Threads with the green "right arrow" in the corner are marked that way (usually by me) to indicate they are "the official" thread for the particular player regardless of what's in the title. If a thread doesn't have the green arrow, then it's probably not a single player thread or some thread that needs to be moved into single player thread, or some straggler that's been missed by myself or some other mod.

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hey guys, I'm waiting for the new S390 to release, and also want to see how this S790 works, when they will be available on the US market?
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hey guys, I'm waiting for the new S390 to release, and also want to see how this S790 works, when they will be available on the US market?

According to the article on CNET, "the BDP-S390 and BDP-S590 are slated for a February release, with the BDP-S790 coming later in April."
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Does anyone know if this unit will have dual hdmi output?

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the spec said it is still only has one HDMI
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thank you guile. Is cnet news reliable since I want to buy a BD player no later at the end of Feb.
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Yes. U need a 4k display or projector.

It sounds like it upscales 1080p material to 2160p, so you should not need a 4K tv or projector. Well, hopefully that's what it does or it should be just called a 4k blu ray player.
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It sounds like it upscales 1080p material to 2160p, so you should not need a 4K tv or projector. Well, hopefully that's what it does or it should be just called a 4k blu ray player.

It is not a 4k BD player, rather it is a BD player that upscales to 4K output. BTW this is not new as you see Marvell Qdeo based AVR's (Onkyo) that claim 4K scaling last spring. But its interesting to note that Sony is confident that the 4K display marketplace will necessitate the need of a BD player that will upscale to 4k now.

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It is not a 4k BD player, rather it is a BD player that upscales to 4K output. BTW this is not new as you see Marvell Qdeo based AVR's (Onkyo) that claim 4K scaling last spring. But its interesting to note that Sony is confident that the 4K display marketplace will necessitate the need of a BD player that will upscale to 4k now.

Ok, so to fully understand, do you need a 4K TV or 4K projector? I was thinking that it enhances the picture just as the JVC RS55/70X and RS65/90X does, meaning that it takes a 1080p output and upscales it to 4K.
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the spec said [the Sony BDP-S790] still only has one HDMI [output]

This implies that in order to get lossless sound you must run the BDP-S790's HDMI output through your AVR to the display, whether the display is 4K2K or 1080p . . . and that your AVR must support 4K2K pass through if you intend to upscale in the player rather than in a 4K2K display!

[Do we know if the player will also play 'native' 4K2K content from internet|network sources...? ]

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Ok, so to fully understand, do you need a 4K TV or 4K projector? I was thinking that it enhances the picture just as the JVC RS55/70X and RS65/90X does, meaning that it takes a 1080p output and upscales it to 4K.

Yes on needing a 4K display. Think of it in same analogy of DVD upscaling where you achieve near HD quality on a 1080P display, only now a 4k display is supported.

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It is not a 4k BD player, rather it is a BD player that upscales to 4K output. BTW this is not new as you see Marvell Qdeo based AVR's (Onkyo) that claim 4K scaling last spring. But its interesting to note that Sony is confident that the 4K display marketplace will necessitate the need of a BD player that will upscale to 4k now.

A 4K projector, like the Sony1000, upconverts 1080p input to 4K for display. So would it be any better to have a BD player upconvert a 1080p BluRay disk and output 4K to the projector, or to have a regular 1080p BD player send 1080p to the projector and have it do the upconversion to 4K?
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A 4K projector, like the Sony1000, upconverts 1080p input to 4K for display. So would it be any better to have a BD player upconvert a 1080p BluRay disk and output 4K to the projector, or to have a regular 1080p BD player send 1080p to the projector and have it do the upconversion to 4K?

Upscaling to 4K is likely a computationally intensive task that benefits significantly from a faster processor . . . and processor performance gets better every year. So 'pragmatically' whichever device--player or display--contains the newer|faster upscaling processor+algorithm is probably going to do it better...?!

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Does anyone know if the sony BD players generally offer a shrink method?

I'm considering a CIH setup, zooming for 2.35, then shrinking 16:9 to fit on my 2.35 screen. I understand that the oppo can do that?
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thank you guile. Is cnet news reliable since I want to buy a BD player no later at the end of Feb.

I'm sure CNET obtained these dates from Sony. Some websites are now stating that the S390 and S590 will be available for sale on 1 Feb 12.
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I read the BDP-S790 will be priced something between $349 and $399.

Real blu-ray 4K (not upscaled) will be released in 2013 thanks to HEVC.

I call them blu-ray v2, but I'm almost sure they will call it as blu-ray 4K.

In june or july we will have that LG 84" 4K TV (aka little puppy lol).

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I've been waiting for the Sony 2012 lineup for a while. I have found some interesting links via Google.

Despite SACD being omitted in press releases and no SACD emblem on released pictures, it can be expected.
http://www.ps3sacd.com/news.html

We can expect Cinavia DRM protection will be in the firmware (Already added to the EU S390 models.)
http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/pro.../BDPS390_v0147
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia



Progress, Amazon listed it as coming soon...
S390 >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006U1YVZ8
S590 >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006U1YUZE

No hits yet for the S790


Interesting stuff here... for tracking reviews, asking questions, and comments thread for 390 on Amazon.co.uk...
http://amzn.to/xd1oTB


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I've been waiting for the Sony 2012 lineup for a while. I have found some interesting links via Google.

Despite SACD being omitted in press releases and no SACD emblem on released pictures, it can be expected.
http://www.ps3sacd.com/news.html

We can expect Cinavia DRM protection will be in the firmware (Already added to the EU S390 models.)
http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/pro.../BDPS390_v0147
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia



Progress, Amazon listed it as coming soon...
S390 >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006U1YVZ8
S590 >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006U1YUZE

No hits yet for the S790


Interesting stuff here... for tracking reviews, asking questions, and comments thread for 390 on Amazon.co.uk...
http://amzn.to/xd1oTB


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You can pre-order the S790 for J&R here. I suspect its more of a placeholder as no other retailer is listing it.
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Any word on when Amazon is getting it?
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There's a few tell tale signs when Sony are getting ready to release product.

1. The support site for the device goes live with the owners manual, and in many cases the default firmware.
2. The Sony Store gets a placeholder for the item, and coming soon.
3. In many cases Sony's sister site, Sony rewards gets the item

None of those things have happened yet for the S790. Until they do, its doubtful any retailer, including Amazon will get the item.
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