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post #4141 of 4151 Old 04-30-2015, 09:29 AM
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I have a bdp-bx59 bluray player. I bought a seagate 1.5tb external hard drive but it says the usb device is not recognized when I connect it to the bluray player. I have tried many things like reformatting it to fat32 and nothing works. Does anyone know of a external hard drive that will work with my blu ray player for watching movies?

thanks for your help.

Try formatting using NTFS and default sizes. I have a 120GB Seagate that I've used on this player with no problems.

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A big drive is probably going to need external power as well. The USB ports on these players don't have a whole lot of juice.
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Is it possible that it's the DRM code associated with this stuff? For instance, I know that if you want to hook an external drive to a Verizon DVR, it will only work if it's formatted by the DVR itself (which then performs it's own low-level encryption on it). The symmetric keys involved in the encryption is kept by the DVR and out of your hands entirely, rendering the data on the drive completely useless when disconnected.

In this way, the data of the movie itself is kept safe and you wouldn't be able to duplicate it. It was a cloak-and-dagger requirement of the MPAA I think. Perhaps something like that is going on here?

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".
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Is it possible that it's the DRM code associated with this stuff? For instance, I know that if you want to hook an external drive to a Verizon DVR, it will only work if it's formatted by the DVR itself (which then performs it's own low-level encryption on it). The symmetric keys involved in the encryption is kept by the DVR and out of your hands entirely, rendering the data on the drive completely useless when disconnected.

In this way, the data of the movie itself is kept safe and you wouldn't be able to duplicate it. It was a cloak-and-dagger requirement of the MPAA I think. Perhaps something like that is going on here?
No, the DVR thing ties that HD to your DVR, if you have to have your DVR replaced, you won't be able to see the file list or watch the shows on the new box. This is the DRM scheme to prevent someone from recording shows, say on HBO, and bringing it to a friends house to play.

Whether the Blu-Ray player will play the file is one thing. However, you should still be able to see files with the supported extension.
As mdavej said, make sure it's externally powered.

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No, the DVR thing ties that HD to your DVR, if you have to have your DVR replaced, you won't be able to see the file list or watch the shows on the new box.
I'm sorry, but you started with "No,".......are you disagreeing? You're rephrasing what I said.


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This is the DRM scheme to prevent someone from recording shows, say on HBO, and bringing it to a friends house to play.
They're not worried about you unplugging a hard-drive and shlepping it to a friends house at all. They're worried about you lifting the data and putting it up on thepiratebay or some other send-around vehicle, or otherwise burning a disc with it.


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Whether the Blu-Ray player will play the file is one thing. However, you should still be able to see files with the supported extension.
Well this is my question: It won't work if it's employing the same protection as the DVR purportedly does: you won't see anything in the filesystem at all. No filename, no directory structure, even the sectors themselves are opaque. The encryption occurs at the driver level where the most bottom level access to the drive happens.

Cogito ergo sum makes a fundamental mistake because it ignores the implied existence of the narrator. Descartes might as well have said "A rose is red, therefore I am".
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sounded to me like the OP simply bought a new drive for the purpose of hosting unprotected files he already had, not some external drive from a DVR full of protected content. I suspect formatting or power is the most likely culprit in this case.

A workaround would be to simply plug the drive in elsewhere and use a DLNA server. There is no easy workaround for DRM.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it sounded to me like the OP simply bought a new drive for the purpose of hosting unprotected files he already had, not some external drive from a DVR full of protected content.
I understand that. But a cable company DVR won't even allow you to do that. The moment you plug any drive into one of those, you are given only one option: reformat immediately (BY the DVR in encrypted format so that the only holder of the key is the DVR) or don't use it at all.

And I understand that he's talking about a BDP; my concern was whether or not the BDP was following the same cloak and dagger nonsense that the DVRs do.

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I understand that. But a cable company DVR won't even allow you to do that. The moment you plug any drive into one of those, you are given only one option: reformat immediately (BY the DVR in encrypted format so that the only holder of the key is the DVR) or don't use it at all.

And I understand that he's talking about a BDP; my concern was whether or not the BDP was following the same cloak and dagger nonsense that the DVRs do.
Ahh, I understand now. No, the BDP doesn't care what you plug into it, and there is no encryption. The BD Live drive is a different story.
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Now, after April 20 cutoff, can someone owning the S590 verify that YouTube app works (the other one) and whether it shows ads. Thanks.
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I put in the 2010 45th Anniversary BD disc of The Sound Of Music in my S590, to play the movie, and I got this message:

"This feature requires Local Storage. Your Blu-Ray player supports local storage but none is currently installed. 3 MB minimum required."

I pressed "Continue" to watch the movie.

So, today, I bought a 16 GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive, a Micro Metal version ($9), and plugged it into the back of the S590.

When I reloaded The Sound Of Music, then the above message did not show anymore, nor will it show again in the future.

Cable Channel Choice is the only choice I want to make !!
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Recommended USB External HD for Music on BDP-S590?

I've ripped all my CDs to a network drive (wifi) in .wav format. My S590 won't play the .wav files from the wi-fi network cleanly. Sometimes its fine, but I'm getting random blasts of noise at the end of audio tracks that aren't heard when played via a USB drive, and wi-fi playback often pauses as if for buffering. It may be because the wi-fi router from the cable company is cheap/weak or because my iOmega network drive is a few years old and not up to the streaming duty. My plan now is to just get a dedicated music-only USB hard drive to sit next to the S590. I would appreciate recommendations. Full-time music; no video or computer duty (except when ripping). 2TB is adequate. Do I need a DNLA drive if it's USB? Does the S590 have only USB 2.0? Should I use the ethernet connection instead?

I'd also like to know if there's a way to avoid the extra file structure layers that the S590 adds to the Win 7 directory structure. The network drive file structure shows three directory levels on Win 7, but when I open files through the S590, there are redundant directory levels I click through.

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