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Movies shot in IMAX will sometimes be transferred to Blu-ray with shifting aspect ratios during certain scenes to represent what you would see at the theater. So check if the movies you are watching have dual aspects.

Interstellar is a recent example. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Inters.../77552/#Review
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Denon DBT 1713UD Bluray

Just purchased The Denon DBT 1713UD Bluray and Denon AVR X2100W receiver. Question is which has the better DAC. Should I be using the RCA jacks(CD) or the HDMI Cable(DVD) when listening to CD's. Denon was not helpful at all. I haven't set it up yet but I am curious if anyone knows the quality of each piece to know which route to go.
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Just purchased The Denon DBT 1713UD Bluray and Denon AVR X2100W receiver. Question is which has the better DAC. Should I be using the RCA jacks(CD) or the HDMI Cable(DVD) when listening to CD's. Denon was not helpful at all. I haven't set it up yet but I am curious if anyone knows the quality of each piece to know which route to go.
Dear Friend!
I have Denon DBT 1713UD and Denon AVR X3000W receiver and glad to have them.
I should say that it will be better if you plug both cables - HDMI and RCA. In case of pure CD listening embedded 1713UD DAC is much better than in receiver. Unfortunately I don't know about the model of 1713UD DAC but in terms of my experience it gives much clear and deep sound for stereo up to 96kHz. On the other hand in case of 192 kHz sound AVR-X3000 DAC is preferable.
Thus if you want to listen pure CD then plug in RCA cable. Otherwise plug in HDMI.
Good Luck!
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Hey there,

In all honesty, they both suck and until you get to a price point of about 2x of the 1713UD for just a DAC, let's say for example the M-DAC from Audiolab, then the difference in audible quality is literally microscopic. Currently, within the M/D Group portfolio, you really have to move up to a Maranz to get a DAC that could at least a bit be considered musical.

Connect the 1713UD by HDMI, at least in this way you are more likely to get a single D/A conversion. If you connect via analogue then your receiver will re-digitize the analogue via it's pretty ****ty A/D encoder and then once again decode in a third pass to analogue. That is unless you select PURE, because even in stereo it needs that A/D encoding to be able to do it's bass management and route your low frequencies to the sub. The more passes the worse. It's like a third Xerox copy in a way. If I was to make a parallel.

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Just purchased The Denon DBT 1713UD Bluray and Denon AVR X2100W receiver. Question is which has the better DAC. Should I be using the RCA jacks(CD) or the HDMI Cable(DVD) when listening to CD's. Denon was not helpful at all. I haven't set it up yet but I am curious if anyone knows the quality of each piece to know which route to go.
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Hi everybody

I've just got the 1713 and am using it primarily for CD/SACD playback (at least until I get proper TV with HDMI input, yep, still using an old CRT). My question is about SACD playback. When I try to switch layers, I get the options Multi, Stereo and CD. I assume Multi and Stereo refer to SACD while CD would be the stereo CD layer. If I choose Multi I can clearly hear on some SACDs that the player is doing a mixdown to stereo to the RCA output. Now, what intrigues me is that the player only seems to actually switch layers (i.e., there is a pause and playback starts from the beginning of track 1) when I switch to Multi. Switching from Stereo to CD does not pause playback at all.
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Hi everybody

I've just got the 1713 and am using it primarily for CD/SACD playback (at least until I get proper TV with HDMI input, yep, still using an old CRT). My question is about SACD playback. When I try to switch layers on the remote, I get the options "Multi", "Stereo" and "CD". I assume "Multi" and "Stereo" refer to SACD while "CD" would be the stereo CD layer. If I choose "Multi" I can clearly hear on some SACDs that the player is doing a mixdown to stereo to the RCA output. Now, what intrigues me is that the player only seems to actually switch layers (i.e., there is a pause and playback starts from the beginning of track 1) when I switch from "CD" to "Multi". Switching from "Stereo" to "CD" does not even pause playback at all. Am I actually listening to SACD when I choose "Stereo"? It would be disapointing if the only way to listen to SACD via the RCA stereo out would be through downmixing from multichannel. On the other hand, I'm assuming it is correct that hybrid multichannel SACDs normally have a SACD layer with multichannel and stereo mix and a separate stereo Redbook CD layer, is that correct?

Thank you, any comments are appreciated

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Hi Michael,

You are right about the names of the layers, however, with this particular player, I've had issues myself. Sometimes the switch of the layer happens only if you switch the layer and actually take the disk out and put it back in again. As if DENON didn't really want you to be switching between layers mid play, but instead asks you to chose a layer and stick with it when you play your disks.

Also, not every hybrid SACD is mastered with all 3 layers. Sometimes you only get two. Stereo+CD or Multi+CD. In such a case the logic of the player is such that when you switch from CD to a nonexistent layer (Stereo), it simply does nothing.

On a side note, the DAC for the stereo out is such low quality, you might not be able to hear any difference between stereo and CD in the first place, depending on the quality of the rest of your system as well. It really is meant only as a source for a secondary, i.e. non critical room.

Hope this helped,

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Hi everybody

I've just got the 1713 and am using it primarily for CD/SACD playback (at least until I get proper TV with HDMI input, yep, still using an old CRT). My question is about SACD playback. When I try to switch layers on the remote, I get the options "Multi", "Stereo" and "CD". I assume "Multi" and "Stereo" refer to SACD while "CD" would be the stereo CD layer. If I choose "Multi" I can clearly hear on some SACDs that the player is doing a mixdown to stereo to the RCA output. Now, what intrigues me is that the player only seems to actually switch layers (i.e., there is a pause and playback starts from the beginning of track 1) when I switch from "CD" to "Multi". Switching from "Stereo" to "CD" does not even pause playback at all. Am I actually listening to SACD when I choose "Stereo"? It would be disapointing if the only way to listen to SACD via the RCA stereo out would be through downmixing from multichannel. On the other hand, I'm assuming it is correct that hybrid multichannel SACDs normally have a SACD layer with multichannel and stereo mix and a separate stereo Redbook CD layer, is that correct?

Thank you, any comments are appreciated

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Hi Michael,

You are right about the names of the layers, however, with this particular player, I've had issues myself. Sometimes the switch of the layer happens only if you switch the layer and actually take the disk out and put it back in again. As if DENON didn't really want you to be switching between layers mid play, but instead asks you to chose a layer and stick with it when you play your disks.

Also, not every hybrid SACD is mastered with all 3 layers. Sometimes you only get two. Stereo+CD or Multi+CD. In such a case the logic of the player is such that when you switch from CD to a nonexistent layer (Stereo), it simply does nothing.

On a side note, the DAC for the stereo out is such low quality, you might not be able to hear any difference between stereo and CD in the first place, depending on the quality of the rest of your system as well. It really is meant only as a source for a secondary, i.e. non critical room.

Hope this helped,

Happy listening!


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Hello,

Does this player exhibit any audio dropouts on atmos mixed discs?

I have an oppo 93 and watching Age of Adaline last night not only did I have dropouts but the sound went silent after chapter changes.

Changing inputs on my 6200 avr brought the sound back.

So I am looking at this Denon player.

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Hello,

Does this player exhibit any audio dropouts on atmos mixed discs?

I have an oppo 93 and watching Age of Adaline last night not only did I have dropouts but the sound went silent after chapter changes.

Changing inputs on my 6200 avr brought the sound back.

So I am looking at this Denon player.

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I am in the same boat as well....hope we get an answer

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Hi auarthur,

I couldn't wait any longer so I went and ordered an oppo bdp103.

Plays the discs I had issues with and the oppo thread is at least alive.
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denon 1713 vs oppo 103

denon 1713 vs oppo 103 which is better? Im leaning towards denon since my receiver is denon and could use denon link. What are the pros and cons of each?
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I'd pick the OPPO over the Denon DBT-1713UD for its dual HDMI outputs, multi-channel analogue outputs...and the fact that it's an OPPO.

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Will the multi channel out work with the denon avr s910w?
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Will the multi channel out work with the denon avr s910w?
No. The AVR-S910W does not appear to have multi-channel analogue inputs.
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Is there much picture difference between the 2 oppo vs denon?
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Hello all,

I am a new owner of a Denon dbt1713ud player which I have connected do a Denon 4520 and I'm wondering if there is a way to send a SACD signal in PCM format to the 4520 while still sending the all Dolby and DTS bitsreams to the reciever?

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