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^ Netflix for Canada is already supported in the 93/95, so yes.
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I see there is only 1 GB of internal storage in the BDP-103 instead of 2 GB in the BDP-93. Does this mean we could have hiccups e.g. during VUDU streaming because of this? Love watching VUDU HDX on the BDP-93 and never had buffering issues before - hopefully this also goes for the BDP-103 with half the internal storage?

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Hello all! According to Oppo's website, the 103 will be available to order sometime in October, at the same price as the BDP 93. I didn't know if this had been mentioned already. Anyway, on the back of the 103 is an RCA output labeled "diagonal." What is this? Thanks!
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... on the back of the 103 is an RCA output labeled "diagonal." What is this? Thanks!
Actually, it's labeled "DIAG.", as an abbreviation for Diagnostic, not diagonal. It apparently provides the ability to view setup menus should the HDMI settings get messed up.
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I see there is only 1 GB of internal storage in the BDP-103 instead of 2 GB in the BDP-93. Does this mean we could have hiccups e.g. during VUDU streaming because of this? Love watching VUDU HDX on the BDP-93 and never had buffering issues before - hopefully this also goes for the BDP-103 with half the internal storage?

There is no performance pitfall with the lowered storage capabilities of the player. The player has its own dedicated buffer to ensure that there are no streaming or other buffering errors.
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The 103 improvements seem not that much.

Still no Amazon Video On Demand?

Is the wi-fi still a kludgy external dongle?
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Is the wi-fi still a kludgy external dongle?

If they still use that nice solid metal chassis, I would sure hope so!
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The 103 improvements seem not that much.
Still no Amazon Video On Demand?
Is the wi-fi still a kludgy external dongle?

Ok this is not much.....right?
  • 4k Up-Scaling
  • 2D to 3D Conversion
  • Dual HDMI Inputs, Front is MHL Input Capable (can add Roku Stick)
  • New dual-core System-on-Chip processor delivers quick startup and fast disc loading speed
  • 1080p/5.1 audio Netflix
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™
  • SMB/CIFS Access (at this time deemed experimental)

What do you think the Roku stick brings to the table? see http://www.roku.com/roku-channel-store
Could say you might get sick of having too many streaming app's maybe.

The whole reason to using a dongle, is its easier to place where you get better reception.

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Ok this is not much.....right?
  • 4k Up-Scaling
  • 2D to 3D Conversion
  • Dual HDMI Inputs, Front is MHL Input Capable (can add Roku Stick)
  • New dual-core System-on-Chip processor delivers quick startup and fast disc loading speed
  • 1080p/5.1 audio Netflix
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™
  • SMB/CIFS Access (at this time deemed experimental)
What do you think the Roku stick brings to the table? see http://www.roku.com/roku-channel-store
Could say you might get sick of having too many streaming app's maybe.

Literally not one of those above I care that much about. 4K means nothing if you don't buy a 4k TV, BTW. And those are probably 2-3 years away in terms of being economically feasible/accepted.
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What exactly does it bring to the table that is a significant update to the 93?

*nevermind* I see someone replied to another as I typed this. It's not much of an improvement over what I already have.

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Of course it may not be a desirable upgrade for some. But considering it's the same price as the BDP-93, I think that's a pretty good deal. I'm trying to decide whether it offers enough for me to upgrade from my BDP-83, which still works like a charm for me. Of course, that says a lot about Oppo that they're still supporting the 83 I bought several years ago...

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Is it too early to ask about gapless playback for the 103?
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Yes, but I like shattering dreams, so I will confirm: there is no gapless playback for user generated media. The time between files has been reduced, but there is still a gap.
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Of course it may not be a desirable upgrade for some. But considering it's the same price as the BDP-93, I think that's a pretty good deal..

For some people, access to network shares is enough reason to upgrade by itself. For some people, the newer Netflix interface will do it. For others the HDMI inputs will do it. It's hard to imagine a BD player with a more robust package of features and functions. It's mind boggling when you consider everything the 103 can do. There really is something for everyone.
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Yes, but I like shattering dreams, so I will confirm: there is no gapless playback for user generated media. The time between files has been reduced, but there is still a gap.

Ok, you've shattered my dreams. While that feature wasn't necessarily a make-or-break one, from what I've seen so far, there isn't anything else that would make the 103 a must-buy for me. The streaming services I have covered with other devices. The SMB/CIFS is intriguing, but I'll have to wait to see how that works. I doubt it could be as robust as a networked HTPC. 4K is premature (for me at least). 2D to 3D is unimportant to me.

Maybe the 105 will have enough to justify the $1200 price tag...
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Ok this is not much.....right?
  • 4k Up-Scaling
  • 2D to 3D Conversion
  • Dual HDMI Inputs, Front is MHL Input Capable (can add Roku Stick)
  • New dual-core System-on-Chip processor delivers quick startup and fast disc loading speed
  • 1080p/5.1 audio Netflix
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™
  • SMB/CIFS Access (at this time deemed experimental)
What do you think the Roku stick brings to the table? see http://www.roku.com/roku-channel-store
Could say you might get sick of having too many streaming app's maybe.
The whole reason to using a dongle, is its easier to place where you get better reception.

perhaps the experts can talk about the 2d/3d conversion. I remember there was alot of talk about the lack of it on the 93.

thanks in advance.

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For those who can't wait, be sure to sign up for notification at Oppo.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Register.aspx

You may be given priority when they start taking pre-orders or shipping.
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Literally not one of those above I care that much about. 4K means nothing if you don't buy a 4k TV, BTW. And those are probably 2-3 years away in terms of being economically feasible/accepted.

The 103 also makes a nifty $499 video processor LOL - and even a switcher if you think that way with network boxes (like a Tivo) or an Apple TV connected on those HDMI inputs.

Here's something I'd like to do, although I don't think it's technically possible:
I have a TiVo (used for cable, YouTube and Netflix), an Apple TV box (which wirelessly streams my iPad/iPhone), and a Denon-5910 I use for some Redbook stuff via Denon Link. I also have a BDP-93 currently, which handles DVD & BluRay. All except the TiVo are connected via HDMI to a Denon 4311 AVR (Tivo has component video and digital audio), and then output to our Panny plasma TV on the 4311's HDMI output. The Denon AVR has an older video processing chip (I want to say an ABT-2015 chip) that has control over streaming video and no 4K capability (as if that's relevant practically).

If I bought the 103, my either brilliant or stupid ideal would be to have the BDP-103 output shiny disks on HDMI 2, with no processing, to the 4311, which would have the TiVo, Apple TV etc. input to it as well. Then, I'd output the HDMI output from the 4311 BACK to the BDP-103 on one of the HDMI inputs (the back one, let's say). The 103 would then do video processing with QDEO and output the video signal on HDMI 1 output to the Panny.

If this worked, the 103 would effectively be both sending content from the 103 and processing the concept from my AVR (which would be doing all the switching, naturally) before outputting it to our display. I doubt this kind of 'multitasking', or reciprocal output/input/output is possible, from reading the PDF quickly, and the potential HDMI handshake/connection path issues, but still...

Of course, it would be simpler to use my BDP-93 as it currently stands, connect it to the 4311 with the other inputs I mentioned, and then let the BDP-103 do the video processing and ouptut. Or really simple - use the BDP-103 as it's designed, and switch back and forth from BluRay to the HDMI input that has the video from the 4311. But if there's a more integrated way to use the 103 in a 'mulitask' mode, it would truly be revolutionary.

At the very least, a $499 quality video processor that also plays BluRay is a better deal than replacing my Denon AVR LOL......or buying a Lumagen.

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Ok, you've shattered my dreams. While that feature wasn't necessarily a make-or-break one, from what I've seen so far, there isn't anything else that would make the 103 a must-buy for me. The streaming services I have covered with other devices. The SMB/CIFS is intriguing, but I'll have to wait to see how that works. I doubt it could be as robust as a networked HTPC. 4K is premature (for me at least). 2D to 3D is unimportant to me.
Maybe the 105 will have enough to justify the $1200 price tag...

My dreams are shattered also.

The only thing that would make me replace my 93 with the 103 would be the miraculous re-introduction of ISO support. Combined with SMB/CIFS, that would be a dream machine. However, Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio support in MKV files could probably convince me.
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I can see those that have the 93 wondering if the 103 will be that much of an upgrade. I have the 83SE and I'm going with the 103 as I do not use the analog outputs anymore. I'm all digital now with HDMI and Audyssey XT32 so the 103 is the one for me smile.gif.

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The BDP-103 and the BDP-105 are really geared towards "Leap frogging" customers such as Bill Mac who missed out on a generation and are looking to upgrade their system. The BDP-103 offers many enhancements over that of the BDP-93, so for customers who were looking to replace their current Blu-ray player, the BDP-103 is a nice kick in the home theater pants.

For current customers, it really comes down to what features the newer player offers. Many of these features are already in some (or more) receivers, so the need to upgrade is lower. Which is fine. As OPPO always says "The right product for the right person".
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The BDP-103 and the BDP-105 are really geared towards "Leap frogging" customers such as Bill Mac who missed out on a generation and are looking to upgrade their system. The BDP-103 offers many enhancements over that of the BDP-93, so for customers who ware looking to replace their current Blu-ray player, the BDP-103 is a nice kick in the home theater pants.
For current customers, it really comes down to what features the newer player offers. Many of these features are already in some (or more) receivers, so the need to upgrade is lower. Which is fine. As OPPO always says "The right product for the right person".

As I said earlier, $499 for richer video processing, slightly updated streaming capabilities, 2D->3D conversion, and MHL may be a better option than replacing my Denon laterally for almost $2500. The other Denon 4520 flagship's newer 'features' are either curiousities (multi-zone HDMI, matrix switching) or nice but not essentials (Audyssey LFC and "bass sync'). If I upgrade anything, it might be the video side when 4K displays/content are worth it. But that assumes that the 4K processing on the 103 will actually be useful at some unknown point in the future.

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That 105 is a beast of a machine!! Can't wait to hear the final specs. I take it beta users have these in hands?
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Another HDMI Input type of question... Would there be any real difference between plugging my existing Roku into the rear HDMI input vs. the upcoming Roku stick into the front MHL enabled HDMI port? I'm guessing the only real difference is the stick will use the Oppo remote and I will still need to use the Roku remote for the existing model. Any chance the MHL Roku stick can get its network feed through the Oppo or are you stuck with the Roku WiFi?

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Another HDMI Input type of question... Would there be any real difference between plugging my existing Roku into the rear HDMI input vs. the upcoming Roku stick into the front MHL enabled HDMI port?

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I'm guessing the only real difference is the stick will use the Oppo remote and I will still need to use the Roku remote for the existing model.

It simplifies things as you can use single remote and command presets to control both devices.
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Any chance the MHL Roku stick can get its network feed through the Oppo or are you stuck with the Roku WiFi?

None. Roku designed the Stick to be a stand along product so it was never engineered to rely on the network connection the MHL device may already utilize.
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