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I like this idea, it saves a HDMI port and benefits from the superior Oppo video processing. I am, of course, assuming the HDMI input on the 103 will not be a simple pass-through to the display and whatever comes in will be processed. Is this correct ?

Yes audio and video coming in on either HDMI Input is processed.

I'm not sure what you mean by "saves an HDMI port". The Roku stick would use the front port. The alternative box proposed here could use either port. But it's still one port being used for Roku.

Or perhaps you meant it saves an HDMI port on your AVR -- which is true, since the Roku won't need a separate connection into the AVR.
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^ I'll repeat here that in my opinion upscaled (1080p) playback of SD-DVD discs is improved in the 103 compared to the 93/95. Enough so, that the 103 is now my reference player for SD-DVD movies (instead of the older 83). The 103 is also a faster player. And if you like to use the Internet streaming apps, the 103 comes with updated versions of those compared to the 93/95.
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Well, that's what I was hoping for. My number one wish request for the 103/105 was improved upscaling of SD-DVD over the 93.

I'm holding out for the 105 because when I upgrade from this (to a 123?) I plan to use this as a digital preamp.

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What would be the difference between using a Roku XS connected via HDMI to the back HDMI port of the BDP-103, as opposed to the Roku Stick connected to the MHL/HDMI port on the front of the BDP-103?

One difference is that the Roku stick is controlled by the player's own remote control. One less remote to deal with.

In terms of audio/video Sourced in the Roku and processed through the player there is no difference.

In terms of functional differences in these two Roku implementations, we'll have to reserve that until the Roku stick ships. But if you read some of the pre-release press accounts already out there about the stick I don't think you'll find anything to be concerned about.
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The 103 is available for pre order. I just got the email a couple hours ago. They estimate the first batch to start shipping tomorrow. eek.gif

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edit: I see someone posted it already. Guess that's what I get for being swamped at work, lol.

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The 103 is available for pre order. I just got the email a couple hours ago. They estimate the first batch to start shipping tomorrow. eek.gif
I'm in baby! biggrin.gif
edit: I see someone posted it already. Guess that's what I get for being swamped at work, lol.

Way behind, mine is being delivered tomorrow wink.gif
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Sorry if this has been answered, I did search and found a few references but the topic usually veared to something else. These new players will NOT play BD-ISO over network correct? I never owned the 93 but remember that it did play BD-ISO over connected storage only and then that was taken away through firmware. I owned on 83 way back and loved it but migrated to media players for the flexibility of playing my backups and having a jukebox interface. It sure would be nice to have th best of both worlds because I miss the unaltered, source direct 4:2:2 video of the Oppo.
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Or perhaps you meant it saves an HDMI port on your AVR -- which is true, since the Roku won't need a separate connection into the AVR.
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That's what I meant, either the AVR or the TV. One more thing: In order to use the Oppo as a vide/audio processor, all we need is to leave it on or there is some setup to be done ? Will the Oppo HDMI out be always "hot" ?

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Thanks for all the great info on the Roku pros/cons. I will most likely need to replace my Squeezebox Duet at some point. I'm hanging in here waiting to hear more about the 105.smile.gif
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Sorry if this has been answered, I did search and found a few references but the topic usually veared to something else. These new players will NOT play BD-ISO over network correct?

Correct. No ISO support either locally or over a network. It's just not allowed by the content owners.

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Do I understand this correctly:

Could I use the Oppo to actually accept a 720p/1080i feed from my Directv DVR and scale it to 1080p for my display?

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. . . .

One more thing: In order to use the Oppo as a vide/audio processor, all we need is to leave it on or there is some setup to be done ? Will the Oppo HDMI out be always "hot" ?

The player must be Powered ON, and you must select the desired content. For example if you want to play stuff coming in on the Rear HDMI Input you need to select that after the player powers up. It won't be selected automatically, nor will the player power up using anything other than its normal "Blu-ray Player" configuration.

Of course for any Source device you'll need to decide what you want to send to the OPPO -- there may be settings to be made in the Source. And in the OPPO you'll need to make the usual settings for what you want to use for Video output format and Audio configuration -- the same sort of things you'd have already done for playing shiny discs.
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. . . .

Do I understand this correctly:

Could I use the Oppo to actually accept a 720p/1080i feed from my Directv DVR and scale it to 1080p for my display?

Yes.
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Has Oppo disclosed the specific Mediatek SOC in the 103/105 or is that still under NDA?

(I'm mostly curious if it's the MT8555 or something else new, exciting, and previously unannounced. Not that it matters, my 103 is in the hands of FedEx. smile.gif )
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Yes.
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Thanks, I did a little more reading to confirm. Almost seems to good to be true, had to look twice LOL.

One more for you, or anyone else, is this feasible:

This would be my blu-ray setup:
HDMI 1 - Direct to display for 1080p/24
HDMI 2 - Direct to AVR for bitstream sound

Would the two cable output work for Directv, meaning would the Oppo pass sound out of HDMI 2?
HDMI IN - HDMI cable from Directv (480i/720p/1080i)
HDMI 1 - Sending 1080p/60 to display
HDMI 2 - Sending Dolby Digital 5.1 to AVR

If this thing works this way, Oppo went off the hook.

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^ Yes. That works.
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^ Yes. That works.
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Holy crap, Im in love!

Always been hesitant with AVR implementation of say a Marvell, for that purpose, but Im pretty confident Oppo would get it right. Looks like Im going to be using the Oppo a lot more often than I thought!

They need to build an amp into them now and Ill throw my AVR away LOL
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As I posted in the 93 thread, this is finally a solution (or workaround depending on how you look at it) to gapless playback. If you combine the tracks into one big seamless FLAC file, you can then put that file into an MKV and add in the chapter points at each track. The one file plays seamlessly, and the next / prev chapter buttons skip tracks, much like a CD.
Combine that with SMB (all my stuff is stored on a NAS with SMB but without DLNA), and I'm a happy camper!

Please post how successful this is when you get your player. While it would entail some work initially, and I would probably end up duplicating files since I'll want to also keep files in native flac, if this works out it would be a nice feature and might convince me to buy a new player.
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But Wait There's More!

The USB 2.0 on the 103 -- the place where you'd attach a hard drive -- will ALSO accept a USB keyboard.

Now you need to be aware that at this stage of the game the implementation of this is, umm, spotty. So play around and see what works but don't be surprised if you run into some roadblocks.

For example, use of a USB keyboard to submit log-in credentials to the Internet apps or to set up your Wifi won't work. But use of it while running the YouTube app actually works surprisingly well.

There is no provision for a wireless keyboard. It has to be a wired connection.

Play around and we'll see what folks discover in terms of cool ways to use this. Expect this to improve over time. For now, it is best to consider this an "experimental and undocumented" feature.



Here's a gotcha to be aware of:

The player offers a Quick Start Mode which is wicked fast. It speeds up both power down and power up. But in the current firmware Quick Start Mode does not like it if the connected hardware on power up is different from what it was on power down. If you are going to be changing what's attached to the player, disable Quick Start Mode by setting Energy Efficient instead. The naming is due to the fact that with Quick Start enabled the player is actually drawing more wall power while "powered off" than is the case without Quick Start.

Once you've settled on a configuration of attached hardware that you are going to be using for a while, then go ahead and enable Quick Start Mode.
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Thanks Bob. I've seen buggy reactions from other players with "quick start", I generally leave them in "slow start".

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Thanks, I did a little more reading to confirm. Almost seems to good to be true, had to look twice LOL.
One more for you, or anyone else, is this feasible:
This would be my blu-ray setup:
HDMI 1 - Direct to display for 1080p/24
HDMI 2 - Direct to AVR for bitstream sound
Would the two cable output work for Directv, meaning would the Oppo pass sound out of HDMI 2?
HDMI IN - HDMI cable from Directv (480i/720p/1080i)
HDMI 1 - Sending 1080p/60 to display
HDMI 2 - Sending Dolby Digital 5.1 to AVR
If this thing works this way, Oppo went off the hook.

Can someone address any handshake issues with this setup.
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For folks interested in using the MHL HDMI front port. I checked with Oppo regarding using a HDMI extension cable to prevent the stick "sticking" out the front of the player. They say :

Because of the the Roku stick's need for power that it receives over the HDMI/MHL and the tolerances involved, the use of an HDMI extension (at any length) will not work, sorry. You are correct that the only MHL input is the front HDMI port.
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Thanks Bob. I've seen buggy reactions from other players with "quick start", I generally leave them in "slow start".

Your friendly neighborhood Beta Testers have lived through and squished pretty much all of those. Quick Start in the current firmware actually works very well indeed -- except for this gotcha about changing the attached hardware while powered off. I use Quick Start all the time.
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what would be the difference between using a Roku XS connected via HDMI to the back HDMI port of the BDP-103, as opposed to the Roku Stick connected to the MHL/HDMI port on the front of the BDP-103?

Other than the differences noted above, the XS can use a wired Ethernet connection. The stick must use WIFI.
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. . . .

Can someone address any handshake issues with this setup.

Handshake using the HDMI inputs still has room for improvement at this point. It's a little slower than I'd like to see, and there may be some audio startup delay. I would expect this to improve over time. There are also some specific bugs that are being ferreted out right now. I'll defer discussing those because they may be fixed before people have a chance to stumble across them.
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I don't know what you'll see in the way of improvements on the -93.
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Ah yes, forgot about 3D...another useless application for me (and my Internet connectivity is not up to the task anyway). It seemed like an insinuation, sorry for the misinterpretation. smile.gif
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These new players will NOT play BD-ISO over network correct? I never owned the 93 but remember that it did play BD-ISO over connected storage only and then that was taken away through firmware.

Although ISO is not supported over the network, you can mount the ISO using Daemon Tools, Virtual Clone, or any other virtual disc software to mount the ISO you want to play. You can then use SMB to browse for this drive then playback the BDMV. This will then launch as if it were a physical disc.
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WOW, Oppos moving. Order status shows shipped. smile.gif

Too bad I'm a couple weeks away before I'm finished up with my 2.35 upgrade. frown.gif

Oh well, I'll get some nice use out of the DVDA/SACD side of it at least. smile.gif

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Handshake using the HDMI inputs still has room for improvement at this point. It's a little slower than I'd like to see, and there may be some audio startup delay. I would expect this to improve over time. There are also some specific bugs that are being ferreted out right now. I'll defer discussing those because they may be fixed before people have a chance to stumble across them.
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Im having handshake issues with my DVR and AVR, so the Oppo probably wont phase me because they are liable to be less annoying.

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