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^ There are also two HDMI Inputs -- one on the front which is also MHL capable and one on the rear.
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I'm probably hitting NDA on this but this has me and other people thinking we can use these as switchers/external VPs? If the answer ends up being yes that's going to have me getting ready to sell my Duo and making some other considerations.

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On the audio side of the house, I would also like to see DSD file support (e.g., .DFF and .DSF) implemented over USB. The question at this point is.... will the new DACs be DSD-capable? The player would have a leg up on competition, even much more expensive players...
From a pure aesthetic stand point, I would like to see the rubber covers that were used in previous Oppo players to hide the connectors on the front panel when not in use.
I am also not one that likes the idea of having the Roku streaming stick hanging off the front of the player, being that it appears the front HDMI is the only MHL capable HDMI on the player at this time.

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Can you say if the new 5.1 Netflix format will be available over wifi or will it need ethernet?
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This email I received a few weeks ago from Oppo. I read this as "Hold your breath, it will come soon".
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We will be adding IP Control to the player through a future firmware release. Unfortunately we do not know when we will have this firmware made available to the public.

Interesting, I suppose that means it could come to the 93 as well?
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Gonna see 93's and 95's up on ebay!!
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Can you say if the new 5.1 Netflix format will be available over wifi or will it need ethernet?

The 93/95 had wireless support so you can assume the new models will too.

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The BDP-83 --> 93 upgrade was compelling....this one not so much.

I'm with you on this one.

I ordered a refurbished 93 a few days ago (knowing about the upcoming 103 wink.gif) for our front room setup so we could move out the PS3 there and into our 5-year old twin boys' room. My wife can't wait for the 93 to come in. See absolutely loves the streaming capabilities of our downstairs 93. The boys are going to love a PS3 in their room as well.

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At present, the only publicly known features of the new players is what can be discerned from looking at the outside. It's possible that judgements about whether the players are a worthy upgrade could be premature.
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What is the QDEO 4K upscaling going to offer over the already built-in 4K upscaling in the upcoming LG, Sony, etc. 4K TV's? All the manufacturers are *praising* their built-in upscaling abilities from both SD and HD sources. How can we expect QDEO to do a better job, or even as good of a job for that matter, since 4K TV's are so new?

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The same question can be asked about upscaling to 1080p. The main benefit of the player doing it is that it was designed to process disc based media, so its algorithms are tailored towards proper scaling. A television needs to work will all sources, so its refinement will likely be lower than that of the player.

But really, with no 4K displays out there except for the Sony projector, no one can really say for certain what 2K to 4K scaled should look like.
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The same question can be asked about upscaling to 1080p. The main benefit of the player doing it is that it was designed to process disc based media, so its algorithms are tailored towards proper scaling. A television needs to work will all sources, so its refinement will likely be lower than that of the player.
But really, with no 4K displays out there except for the Sony projector, no one can really say for certain what 2K to 4K scaled should look like.

I agree; you make some good points.

What I am getting at is that 1080p has been around for a very long time. 4K, on the other hand, hasn't been around for long by comparison. My fear is that the QDEO chipset in the 103/105 could end out being a bust. How can early adopters of the 103/105 be assured that the QDEO chipset will even perform as well as built-in up scalers, nevertheless be firmware upgradeable to fix any issues? I know that many AVRs are coming out with 4K passthru and upscaling so the same could be said about them. However, from what I've read, LG, Sony, etc. have worked *extremely* hard on their on proprietary 4K upscalers... of course which will be compatible with the display it's built into.
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All 4K displays will scale any input to 4K. The odds of anyone actually being able to see any difference between performance of different 1080p to 4K scalers are extremely small. De-interlacing is a different story, but again the visible differences between 1080p and 4K will be subtle at most.

Once again, absent any real evidence of any kind, it's all speculation. It's speculating to state that more than a very few will ever see a 4K display in the foreseeable future. 4K scaling is little more than a check-off marketing feature intended to sell hardware.
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All 4K displays will scale any input to 4K. The odds of anyone actually being able to see any difference between performance of different 1080p to 4K scalers are extremely small. De-interlacing is a different story, but again the visible differences between 1080p and 4K will be subtle at most.
Once again, absent any real evidence of any kind, it's all speculation. It's speculating to state that more than a very few will ever see a 4K display in the foreseeable future. 4K scaling is little more than a check-off marketing feature intended to sell hardware.

True. There will be at least a few generations of Oppo's go by before we have a 4K display to even take advantage of such technology.

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Thanks, Bob, I thought this might be the case. In any event, while I hope all aspects of the system are faster, the one area that I'm really hoping is improved is the menu navigation system. I moved to the BDP-93 from a PS3 and it's relatively slow menu navigation system is the only area of the unit that has bothered me from the start. Scrolling along the X-Y axis of the PS3 XrossMediaBar is extremely fast whereas scrolling through various menus in the OPPO makes it feel like a player from the early DVD era due to its slugishness. It might seem minor, but this has been my only complaint with this great unit.
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True. There will be at least a few generations of Oppo's go by before we have a 4K display to even take advantage of such technology.

I'd be willing to bet you'll be able to purchase a 4K display sometime in 2013 or 2014 at the latest.
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There may be a small point you guys are missing about the upscaling to 4k. You are looking at going from 1080 to 4k but not looking at 480 to 4k. If 480 is scaled to 4k and looks very suitable then there maybe a small improvement when 480 is scaled to 1080. The QDEOs one strong point is to upscale the hghly compressed video from the streaming services so the new QDEO chipset may do a better job scaling the streaming video to 1080. I am also waiting to see if the DVD 24 frame play back is already in the new OPPO and how well it works.

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I'd be willing to bet you'll be able to purchase a 4K display sometime in 2013 or 2014 at the latest.

Sorry, went I said "we" I meant my family! $25000 will buy you a Sony 4K projector or display right now. Take your pick!!!

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The BDP-83 --> 93 upgrade was compelling....this one not so much.

For me the BDP-103 has a lot of big improvement: dual-core processor, 4k x 2k upconversion, dual HDMI (MHL) inputs, etc...
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Is it better for the player to play 4K? I consider playing 4K as a next upgrade after seeing the Sony 4K TV. I will have to pass on this one.
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The same question can be asked about upscaling to 1080p. The main benefit of the player doing it is that it was designed to process disc based media, so its algorithms are tailored towards proper scaling. A television needs to work will all sources, so its refinement will likely be lower than that of the player.
But really, with no 4K displays out there except for the Sony projector, no one can really say for certain what 2K to 4K scaled should look like.

The Hobbit will be 4K......"Even massive movie blockbusters are being currently created in UHD (Ultra High Definition). "Sony Pictures is behind The Amazing Spider-Man, which is in 4K," Sony said.

"And M. Night Shyamalan is using Sony F65s to film his next project [After Earth], so it’s getting there. It’s at the tipping point now. It’s a really interesting time for 4K."

Sony Europe's own home cinema expert and product technical specialist Kin Loong Chit agrees, but also emphasises that it's not the lack of content per se, but how to get it into the home that's the biggest issue. "Shooting-wise, there is a lot out there already, it’s just delivery," he told us.

"Delivery is the most important thing at the moment, because there is no way to deliver 4K [to the home]. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo [David Fincher's English-language version] was shot in 4K, and The Hobbit, but how do we deliver? A home server? A BD disc player? Only then will it be possible."
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On the audio side of the house, I would also like to see DSD file support (e.g., .DFF and .DSF) implemented over USB. The question at this point is.... will the new DACs be DSD-capable? The player would have a leg up on competition, even much more expensive players...

Check out this French announcement of the new BDP-103/105EU :

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L’OPPO sera ainsi reconnu comme carte son externe pour décoder tous vos fichiers audio et même les fichiers DSD (ISO S.A.CD ou fichiers DSDiff proposés par certains sites de musique à la demande comme HighResAudio).
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TRANSLATION: The Oppo will be recognized (by the PC) as an external sound card to decode all your audio files, including DSD files (SACD ISO or DSDiff files, as offered by some music sites like HighResAudio)
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A HighRez pic of the 105EU (click on the picture) :



(BTW, concerning a previous post : one can clearly see the DVD Audio/Video logo) wink.gif
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The 93/95 had wireless support so you can assume the new models will too.

What I meant was does wireless have the bandwidth for 5.1, 1080P Netflix on Oppo 105 redface.gif)
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What I meant was does wireless have the bandwidth for 5.1, 1080P Netflix on Oppo 105 redface.gif)

The 93/95 had enough bandwidth to handle 1080P 5.1 via DLNA so it should have enough for Netflix which is more compressed than a lot of what would be sent from a PC via DLNA.

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. . . ."Delivery is the most important thing at the moment, because there is no way to deliver 4K [to the home]. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo [David Fincher's English-language version] was shot in 4K, and The Hobbit, but how do we deliver? A home server? A BD disc player? Only then will it be possible."

Stream it by Netflix after compressing the cr*p out of it? biggrin.gif

Obviously if 4Kx2K comes out of the Netflix app then it MUST really have been true 4Kx2K streamed from their server, right?

Seriously, native 4K content playable in the home is going to be a bit of a wait.



The reasons for having 4K upscaling in the player are pretty much the same as for having 1080p upscaling of SD content in the player, even though that, too, is done by TVs.

The TV implementation may have a bug. Having the option of doing it in the player gives you a point of comparison

Or having the option of doing it in the player may give you the option of buying a cheaper TV and getting comparable results to a more expensive model.

In addition, doing it in the player means it can be done in conjunction with value added processing in the player -- such as Deep Color algorithms, or user interface features like Zoom.

All in all, it should be an interesting next few years as various knowledgable folks try to figure out what's working well and where the problems might be lurking.
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What I meant was does wireless have the bandwidth for 5.1, 1080P Netflix on Oppo 105 redface.gif)

Yes, easily, if you have a decent home Wifi setup. In fact this is already true on the 93 and 95 as evidenced by what you can do with the VUDU app.

If your Wifi base station is too far from the player, or if you have interference from neighbors' Wifi setups or a faulty microwave oven, cordless phone system, or the like, then you can run into problems.

Note that the VUDU app includes a Network Speed Test (VUDU > MyVudu > Info & Settings > Network Speed Test). If your home Wifi setup measures in the HDX range for VUDU -- as it certainly will if you have decent internet service and a properly configured Wifi -- then you are good to go for Netflix as well. (Barring differences related to your relative location on the Internet to the nearest VUDU server farm compared to the nearest Netflix server farm.) Check with an Ethernet wire first, then compare with the result you get using Wifi instead to see if you need to make adjustments in your home Wifi configuration.

NOTE: Netflix seems happy with a sustained 6Mbps. The top end of VUDU HDX is 9Mbps since they typically use less compression. Wifi setups can easily exceed both of those if set up right.
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DSD file support would be great. This is what I would be looking for if I upgrade my DAC. Will this support be on both players?

Would also like to control via Ipad. Would make life much easier.

And, it would be really great if you could purchase both machines from Amazon. I see that you can finally purchase the BDP-95 on amazon -- wish this was available a long time ago.

Now that Squeezebox is no longer being made, would be great if either unit could serve as a full-featured music server.
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DSD file support would be great. This is what I would be looking for if I upgrade my DAC. Will this support be on both players?
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The Asynchronous USB (DAC feed) digital audio input is only available on the 105 / 105EU players.
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