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The BDP-103 discussion has moved to the Official OPPO BDP-103 Owner's Thread

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OPPO BDP-103 & BDP-105 Blu-ray Q&A Interview


Uniquely Better:
  • 4K Up-scaling - Enhance the home theater experience with four times the resolution of Full HD 1080p by up-scaling all video sources to 4K (3840 x 2160) output resolution.
  • 2D to 3D Conversion – Take your standard DVD, Blu-ray, and other video content to the next dimension by converting them into 3D with the simple press of a button. The BDP-105 can also adjust the depth and eye convergence levels to suit your personal preference.
  • Dual HDMI Inputs – Connect external devices such as set-top boxes and network streaming devices to take further advantage of the excellent audio and video processing functions by the BDP-105. The BDP-105 offers two HDMI inputs, one on the front and one on the back, and the front HDMI input doubles as an MHL input.
  • USB Asynchronous DAC – By bypassing the low fidelity, poor quality DAC of traditional computer soundcards, the BDP-105 turn any computer into a high performing multi-media source by converting digital audio to analog through the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC. If your computer can play it, the BDP-105 can convert it to analog.
  • Coaxial/Optic Inputs – For additional convenience and flexibility, the BDP-105 can convert digital signals from cable and satellite boxes, televisions, video-game consoles and other digital transports with coaxial and optical digital outputs to analog.
  • DMP & DMR - Digital Media Player (DMP) and Digital Media Renderer (DMR) features enable wired or wireless access of audio, picture, and video files stored on DLNA-compatible digital media servers such as a computer or network storage device (NAS).
  • SMB/CIFS Access - The BDP-105 comes with an experimental feature that can access video, audio and picture files shared by computers on the local network via the Server Message Block (SMB) or Common Internet File System (CIFS) protocol.
  • Headphone Amplifier – For a more intimate listening experience, a pair of headphones can be connected directly to the BDP-105’s built-in headphone amplifiers. The headphone amplifier is connected directly to the ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC and offers a unique performance advantage over standalone headphone amplifiers.
  • Rigid Chassis Construction - Built around a steel chassis, aluminum faceplate, and center-mounted disc loader, the BDP-105 is designed to impress as well as to provide a stable base for the highest quality reproduction of your favorite media.
  • Fanless Architecture – The BDP-105 is passively cooled, allowing it to run both cool and quiet without the need for internal or external fans.

High Fidelity Audio Performance:
  • SABRE32 Reference Audio DAC - The DAC is one of the most important components for digital audio playback. The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. With the ESS patented 32-bit Hyperstream™ DAC architecture and Time Domain Jitter Eliminator, the SABRE32 Reference DAC delivers an unprecedented DNR (Dynamic Range) of up to 135dB and THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion plus Noise) of -120dB, the industry’s highest performance level that will satisfy even the most demanding audio enthusiast. The BDP-105 uses two ES9018 DAC chips - one for the 7.1-channel output, and another for the dedicated stereo output. To learn more about the technologies behind the exceptional performance of the SABRE DAC, please read the SABRE Technical White Paper.
  • Toroidal Power Supply - A toroidal power transformer offers superior power efficiency and much lower exterior magnetic fields over traditional laminated steel core transformers. The BDP-105's toroidal linear power supply provides a very clean and robust power source to the critical audio components.
  • Dedicated Stereo Output with XLR Balanced Connectors - The BDP-105 features a dedicated 2-channel analog output with specially optimized ES9018 DAC and output driving stages. The stereo output offers both XLR balanced and RCA single-ended connectors. The balanced output features a true differential signal path all the way from the DAC to the 3-pin XLR connector. By transmitting a pair of differential signals, the balanced output provides better common-mode noise rejection and improves signal quality.
  • 7.1-Channel Analog Output - Individual analog 7.1-channel surround outputs are ideal for connecting to a 7.1-channel or 5.1-channel surround sound system. The BDP-105 delivers an incredible sound stage and an immersive surround experience. The 7.1-channel analog output can also be configured to a stereo down-mix mode as a Zone 2 audio source.
  • Dolby® TrueHD - Dolby TrueHD delivers lossless studio master quality audio designed specifically for high definition entertainment. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of Dolby TrueHD via its HDMI 1.4a output. It can also internally decode Dolby TrueHD into LPCM and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus audio formats are also supported.
  • DTS-HD Master Audio™ - DTS-HD Master Audio delivers an auditory experience that matches the lifelike images of high-definition video with up to 7.1 channels that are bit-for-bit identical to the studio master. The BDP-105 supports bit-stream output of DTS-HD Master Audio. It can also internally decode DTS-HD Master Audio and output via HDMI or the 7.1ch analog audio output terminals. (DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS Digital Surround are also supported.)

Diversified Media Support:
  • Blu-ray Disc - The high definition Blu-ray Disc™ format provides pristine video and audio quality for your home entertainment.
  • Blu-ray 3D – Experience high definition in all new dimensions. The BDP-105 supports the Blu-ray 3D specifications and is fully compatible with Blu-ray 3D discs1.
  • SACD - The BDP-105 plays Super Audio CD (SACD) and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to output the DSD (Direct Stream Digital) signal in its native format or convert it to PCM.
  • DVD-Audio - The BDP-105 plays DVD-Audio and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to play the DVD-Audio or the DVD-Video portion of the disc.
  • VUDU HD Movie Streaming - Stream thousands of movies instantly the day-and-date they are released on DVD/Blu-ray in stunning 1080p video, rich 7.1 surround audio and even in 3D2.
  • Netflix Instant Streaming - Instantly watch TV shows & movies streaming from Netflix3. Netflix "Just For Kids" is a special selection of kid-friendly TV episodes & movies for younger viewers. It is included with your Netflix unlimited streaming membership. Selected titles support features including 1080p video, 5.1ch audio, subtitles and alternative audio languages.
  • Pandora Internet Radio - Personalized music streaming using the Music Genome Project, staying true to their mission: "Playing only the music you'll love".4
  • Comprehensive Internet Streaming - In addition to VUDU, Netflix and Pandora, the BDP-105 provides access to popular entertainment network services from Film Fresh, YouTube Leanback and Picasa, with more to come.
  • BD-Live & BonusVIEW - The BDP-105 supports BD-Live™ (Profile 2.0) and contains all necessary hardware - audio/video decoder, Ethernet and wireless networking, and 1GB of internal storage - for BD-Live. It also supports BonusVIEW (Profile 1.1) enabling "picture-in-picture" and audio features for viewing director or actor commentary while the main movie is playing.
  • Additional Disc & Media Formats - Additional disc and file formats, such as DVD, audio CD, HDCD, Kodak Picture CD, AVCHD, MP4, AVI, MKV and other audio/video/picture files on recorded discs or USB drives can be played back on the BDP-105. The BDP-105 fully supports high-resolution lossless WAV and FLAC music formats.5

Unparalleled Video Quality:
  • Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-105 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology. Qdeo video processing delivers a truly immersive viewing experience by rendering quiet natural video free of noise and artifacts for all types of content. For high-quality Blu-ray content, the BDP-105 faithfully reproduces the program just as the director intended; for DVD, the up-converted picture quality bridges the visual gap from your current DVD library to Blu-ray discs; for network streaming and user-encoded content at a variety of formats and quality, the BDP-105 offers enhancement options including video noise reduction, compression artifact reduction, intelligent color, contrast, detail and edge enhancements. To learn more about the Qdeo video processing technology, please read the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief.
  • DVD Up-Conversion - Per-pixel motion-adaptive de-interlacing and advanced scaling transform the standard definition image on DVDs to high definition output on your TV. Additional Qdeo video processing options help to deliver a clearer, smoother, and more true-to-life picture free of noise and artifacts.
  • Full HD 1080p Output - The BDP-105 features user selectable video output resolutions, including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p and 4K.
  • True 24p™ Video - Many Blu-ray Discs are recorded at 24 frames per second, the same frame rate as the original movie's theatrical release. The BDP-105 can faithfully redeliver the original frames using 1080p 24Hz output (compatible display required) for smoother motion and a flicker-free, film-like home theater experience. It can also restore the original 24 frames per second progressive-scan video from well-authored DVDs and output 1080p 24Hz.
  • Source Direct Mode - For users who wish to use an external video processor, the BDP-105 offers a "Source Direct" mode. The original audio/video content on the discs is sent out with no additional processing or alteration.
  • Multiple Zoom Modes - The BDP-105 supports multiple levels of aspect ratio control and image zooming. Users can watch a movie in its original aspect ratio, fit to the full screen, or zoom in to remove the black bars on some titles.
  • Vertical Stretch Mode - For customers with a 2.35:1 CIH (Constant Image Height) display system, the player's zoom options include a vertical stretch mode to work nicely with an anamorphic lens. A unique subtitle shift feature allows the user to move the subtitle up and down, making it possible to see all subtitle text when using a 2.35:1 CIH display.
  • Advanced Picture Control - Users can have fine control of brightness, contrast, saturation, hue, sharpness, noise reduction, color and contrast enhancements. The player can remember and apply three custom picture control modes to suit a variety of viewing conditions and content types.

Ultimate Convenience:
  • Dual HDMI Outputs – Two HDMI v1.4a output ports are provided to offer the most versatile installation options to both older and newer HDMI equipment. You do not have to upgrade your A/V receiver to a 3D model in order to enjoy 3D. One HDMI output of the BDP-105 can be connected to a 3D TV and the other can be connected to a pre-3D HDMI v1.1-v1.3 A/V receiver. For projector users, you can connect one output to a projector for home theater use and the other to a TV for casual viewing. For a multi-room installation the BDP-105 can output audio and video to two 3D or 2D TVs simultaneously.
  • MHL Input – Simplify connecting smartphones, tablets and other mobile devices to the home theater by using the MHL (Mobile High-Definition Link) input port of the BDP-105. Display high resolution pictures, 1080p video and listen to pure digital music all while simultaneously charging the connected mobile device. The front HDMI input port of the BDP-105 doubles as an MHL input.
  • Wireless & Ethernet – Using the included wireless-N adapter or the built-in RJ45 Ethernet port, users will be able to interact with BD-Live content, watch instant streaming programs from providers such as Netflix or VUDU, playback contents stored on their home network, and keep the BDP-105 up-to-date with firmware releases to ensure maximum Blu-ray compatibility.
  • Triple USB Ports - Three USB 2.0 high speed ports are provided, one on the front panel and two on the back. Users can enjoy high definition video, high resolution photos and music directly from their USB drives.
  • PAL/NTSC Conversion - The BDP-105 supports NTSC and PAL systems for both disc playback and video output. It can also convert content of one system for output in another. (Subject to DVD and BD region restrictions.)
  • Back-lit Remote Control - The BDP-105 comes with a fully back-lit remote control for ease of use in dark home theaters. With its ergonomic button layout and clear labeling, operating the Blu-ray Disc player is easier than ever.
  • World Power Supply - The BDP-105 features a world power supply that is compatible with AC power from all regions. Voltage range from 100V-120V and 200V-240V can be selected by flipping a switch on the back panel.
  • External IR - For integration into home theater control systems, the BDP-105 provides an external IR IN port to use with an IR distribution system.
  • RS232 Control - For custom installation, the BDP-105 offers an RS232 control port with a rich control and communication protocol. Installers can easily program their favorite control systems to operate the BDP-105.
  • Remote Control Apps – For additional user convenience, the BDP-105 can be operated using remote control apps running on compatible smartphone and tablet devices. The remote control app for Android is already available. An app for Apple iOS devices is coming soon.
  • HDMI CEC - HDMI Consumer Electronics Control simplifies the home theater by allowing a single remote control to operate multiple devices.
  • Gracenote MusicID® and VideoID™ - By connecting to Gracenote's global media database over the Internet, the BDP-105 can offer an enriched playback experience by displaying Cover Art, Title, Artist, Genre and other media information for CD, DVD, Blu-ray and a wide range of digital media files.
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Thanks for the info! The ditching of the fan plus the inclusion of digital inputs and a headphone amp makes the 105 very appealing!
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Interesting how this news got out. cool.gif

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Yes! I am waiting for video performance differences.


Latest generation QDEO which supports 4K upscaling?
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Performance wise the QDEO is not much different. The main benefit is 4K output.
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Just so its not asked again and again, this is mentioned in same Secrets of Home Theater article:
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These machines are still prototypes and Oppo is still working on the firmware. Many more details will be coming in the future and we will be providing you reviews of both players in the future. Release dates are not established yet, so please be patient as Oppo Digital brings these two beauties to market.

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wow 4k upscaling
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So there's only an MHL port on the front? That's kind of a bummer. I like the idea of a Roku stick, but it's kind of big to have hanging off the front of the player...
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I'm ready to buy.

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So there's only an MHL port on the front? That's kind of a bummer. I like the idea of a Roku stick, but it's kind of big to have hanging off the front of the player...

I suspect a lot of folks will try using a short, port-saver style HDMI cable to allow alternate positioning. We'll have to see how well that works for folks in different installations. A back-side placement would also give problems to folks who can't provide a lot of depth behind the player. (You have to have space in front anyway to allow the tray to open.)

ETA: Another Beta Tester just pointed out that at least one accessories outfit is working on an inexpensive HDMI to MHL adapter. No idea yet how well that might work with the player's Rear HDMI Input.
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We might as well get this out of the way right off the bat. Both players are subject to Blu-ray licensing rules applicable to Stand-alone Player designs launched late in 2012.

That means no Analog video output (no Component video jacks) and inclusion of Cinavia anti-copy detection. Wikipedia has a write up on Cinavia for folks wanting to know the gory details. The short version is that it will be harder/impossible to play unauthorized copies of theatrical movie releases or commercial Blu-ray discs. The detection and playback prevention happens some minutes after a copy begins to play -- which sounds a bit sadistic, but there it is. OPPO has no control over how/when Cinavia works.
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The headphone amp is interesting, however, I already have a dedicated headphone amp running off my dedicated stereo outs. The deletion of the fan I guess is good as it seems to bug alot of people, but I've never even heard mine. This is probably an iteration of the player I'll skip.
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^ Keep an eye out for information on use of the player as an external DAC and a media playback device. Details are still not public.
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Day 1 BDP-105 purchase.
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I will assume 4K upscaling doesn't neccesarily mean playback of a 4K disc if/when they come out. It will be nice if it does to make it a little more future proof. Anyone know for sure at this time?
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ETA: Another Beta Tester just pointed out that at least one accessories outfit is working on an inexpensive HDMI to MHL adapter. No idea yet how well that might work with the player's Rear HDMI Input.
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That would be the $20 DVDO SL-MH101-01 MHL-TO-HDMI ADAPTER KIT (scroll down to the 2nd item). Note that I only found information on this, so I have absolutely no idea how well it would work in practice.
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I wonder if the BDP-105 will have the DSD direct to analog output option like the 95 does.

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^ As posted above, Beta Testers have to keep silent about specifics until OPPO releases the player specs, but it would be safe to assume OPPO Is not going to back out features that have already proven popular on the BDP-95.
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I will assume 4K upscaling doesn't neccesarily mean playback of a 4K disc if/when they come out. It will be nice if it does to make it a little more future proof. Anyone know for sure at this time?

4K video is not (at present) possible on BD discs. It's reasonable to assume that no BD players can support 4K video on disc.
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There is a post a QQ that says no dvd audio support? Anyone know about that? any word on price? The way things look, I'll keep my 93 a while yet.
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Ok ! the features that might make me sell my 95 ( with extreme hesitation of course) larger display and if its even possible improved audio via analog outs and even more flexible bass mngt . To be honest I like the idea of a fan around to keep things cool, yea sure fanless is great and all but longer life with the addition of fan to keep things a constant temp is a win win for me.
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There is a post a QQ that says no dvd audio support? Anyone know about that?
QQ?? In any event, see post #18.
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Players will continue to be Universal, so DVD-Audio is definitely still supported.

No pricing for either player, but I would not be surprised if the BDP-105 is more expensive than the BDP-95 as there is more inherent hardware costs for the larger construction (3U versus 2U height), headphone amp, and input DAC.
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I could not tell from the image in Post #1, or in the images in http://cave.hometheaterhifi.com/profiles/blogs/2012-cedia-show-report-robert-kozel which one is the 103.

I was hoping to see if the 103 will have LF/RF analog audio out, not dedicated as with the 95, but like the 93. However, I don't need the 7 channel audio out; just the LF/RF, so I can use Oppo's DAC and input into the CD of my AVR.
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The BDP-103 is the model on the bottom. No Dedicated Stereo outputs on the BDP-103, just like the BDP-93. This is exclusive to the BDP-105.

Like the current players, you can set the DownMix to the player to STEREO and use the Front Left and Right outputs. This will give you stereo only to a stereo configuration.

Dedicated Stereo is only important for people who are connecting to two systems simultaneously, with one system being multi-channel while the other is stereo only.
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^ As with the 93, if you want to configure the multi-channel Analog outputs of the 103 for use only as stereo Analog output you can do so without it affecting anything else. You would then just wire the LF/RF jacks from the 7.1 output set and leave the others unused.
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Thanks for the info! The ditching of the fan plus the inclusion of digital inputs and a headphone amp makes the 105 very appealing!

It's the digital input that makes it for me. If I can plug my TV directly into this and get OTA 5.1 playback without a pre-amp. I am buying it!
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I wonder if the BDP-105 will have the DSD direct to analog output option like the 95 does.

I can see no reason why it would not. But yes, it has to have it!
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External Control for DLNA is a must. I am sick and tired of using a small monitor to navigate my audio files on my network (and apparently, no more analog video on this player, more the reason why we need exrernal control over IP)
Maybe a better UI for content that is being played over DLNA would be nice as well

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The BDP-103 is the model on the bottom. [snip]

First, thanks for the answer. I couldn't tell if if the 103 will have 7.1 analog audio.

Second, which bottom?tongue.gif The last picture of the oppo series clearly has the dedicated LF/RF output, so it's the 105. And the bottom (last on the page) picture is of a Sony display.

I don't think there is an image of the back of the 103.
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