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There is a new update software 209 from 205. Here is what pioneer says.

Ver 2.09

CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability
- Performance improvement
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There is a new update software 209 from 205. Here is what pioneer says.

Ver 2.09

CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability
- Performance improvement
yep..just got it....

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New out of the box with v. 2.05, I have sync issues going coax out to AVP2 pre/pro, video output at 24p. Video is via HDMI direct to Pioneer 141 monitor. Audio is in excess of 99ms ahead of the video, my max adjustment.

After some testing, the problem appears to be limited to the 24p output; 1080p with 24p off and 1080i seem fine. I'll do some more testing and then update to 209 to see if it makes any difference.

I doubt it will. Pioneer service said there were no reports of sync issues with the 62.
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The tech support lie. Every Pioneer BDP-53 and 62 I bought and installed (total more than 40 units so far) ALWAYS have between 5 to 6 frames audio delay when the audio and video being sent out separately.

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Tech support could just be saying no one reported any issue to him, not necessarily there is no such issue. The phenomenon is very much specific set-up dependent.

This issue using coax audio crops up now and again on the AVR forum, it's not unique to this player. Coax audio is split up from video earlier than the case if it leaves via HDMI with video so there is greater chance of discrepancy.

If the issue is limited to 24p (assuming it's BD related) then it could also be related to the Kuro's Film Mode settings. I have no serious issue (not saying it's totally absent) on the Kuro 101 (Film Mode Std) using the previous year's 140 player. Player sends AV out via HDMI, the Edge vp splits into A and V via separate HDMI.

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Upgraded to 2.09. No change in sync at 24p setting; still way off.
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EDIT:

Been in the market for possibly switching to this model but certain reports either sway me to say okay while others swayed me to say no! So.....

Neal,

Welcome to the 24P sync issue club! I recently purchased a set that is more than 24p capable and as soon as I set my primary video device to display that resolution, it immediately brought up a lip sync issue in my HT set up! (I have an onkyo sp809 at the moment as my primary) I purchased this 62model just the other night and honestly I came up with the same sync issue as well. Also, I didnt like the 3D it was dishing out (assuming your set is not 3D you won't have this problem yet) but still it was a concern to me.....

Since switching to 24P officially, I had to adjust the audio delay within my system and it works wonders. Again I did not see an advantage in the Pioneer compared to my Onkyo but your results may vary. I am not saying that every single player out there has a 24P sync issue or anything like that but I noticed from testing a few players that some do. Also one thing that could POSSIBLY be the problem in my set-up is I split my audio and video.

Learned a lot in this thread. Thanks guys!
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Just did the update. Thank you Pioneer.
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Also one thing that could POSSIBLY be the problem in my set-up is I split my audio and video.

Learned a lot in this thread. Thanks guys!

Yes, once you split the audio and video, the 62 creates about 5-6 frames of audio delay in 24fps mode.

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Yes, once you split the audio and video, the 62 creates about 5-6 frames of audio delay in 24fps mode.

Yeah, I noticed this with a couple other players as well. All in all its not something that cant be fixed.

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Tried to play Dredd again with the new update. Still getting lock ups.
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I attempted to watch Dredd (updated firmware) and beginning of the film I would get several hiccup issues. I sat through that only to find about 55mins through I got the same issues. I threw in Prometheus and had no issues but when I tried to watch Lion King 3D with the family earlier I ran into a lockup a little more than half way through. I really want to love this player but its starting to frustrate me!! mad.gif

In terms of actual specs; does anyone know if Pioneer is using the same drivers that they used on prior players? (Afraid of a possible disk tray/laser rot issue)

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I attempted to watch Dredd (updated firmware) and beginning of the film I would get several hiccup issues. I sat through that only to find about 55mins through I got the same issues. I threw in Prometheus and had no issues but when I tried to watch Lion King 3D with the family earlier I ran into a lockup a little more than half way through. I really want to love this player but its starting to frustrate me!! mad.gif

In terms of actual specs; does anyone know if Pioneer is using the same drivers that they used on prior players? (Afraid of a possible disk tray/laser rot issue)

Thanks

Yea.. I really like this player too. But seems like Pioneers firmware doesn't do anything. I'm thinking of going Oppo. At least their quick with firmware and fixes.
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There is a new update software 209 from 205. Here is what pioneer says.

Ver 2.09

CHANGE HISTORY:
- Enhances BD-ROM playability
- Performance improvement


I've had a problem since updating to V02.09 and can't figure out how to fix it. My 62 has a static IP address (there is no DHCP service on that net). I upgraded from V02.07 to V02.09. All works well except the unit no longer listens for IP control commands on TCP port 8102 when configured with a static IP address. When I move the unit to a network with DHCP and get an address from the pool, I can see port 8102. When I change it back to the static IP address, port 8102 disappears. I have tried a "Load Default" to reset the unit but still no port 8102. Anyone else seen this, or am I overlooking something?
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I downloaded the Pioneer 2012 app and it controls the 62 pretty good over my internet connection. But it can't control my SC-55. I spent the ten bucks for roomie and it does a pretty good job of controlling both the 55 and the 62. It took me a little while to figure it out.
I would have to spend more money to control more than 2 devices. I would but my TV can not be controlled via IP.


As to the 24P sync issue, I have mine set to 24P and split the audio/video through two HDMI cables and I do not have the problem.


oops. Yes I do. My tv has a 24p 48hz and a 24p 60hz mode. When I switched it to 48hz, the sync problem was 4 frames early. I guess my tv is fibbing to me at 24p 60hz
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Pioneer service said there were no reports of sync issues with the 62.

I am running a single HDMI cable w/ audio and video both going through my Pioneer AVR (VSX-1122-K). So far, I have only encountered one BD with a sync issue - Total Recall (2012). It was pretty bad 2/3 of the way through the film. Interestingly, I rebooted the BD player (unplugging the power supply) and advanced to the same spot and started playback and it was just fine. I've never seen anything like that before.

I would try this again with the latest update, but I don't think I could watch that movie again, so soon :-)

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Anyone using "wake-up on LAN" to power on the player?

It's time for me to upgrade some gear and looking to switch remote control to a WiFi solution. Just picked up the Pioneer SC-61 and now in search of a Blu-Ray player. So the 62FD already has some appeal...

All of the sales material says: "For convenience and custom installation flexibility, the BDP-62FD offers full IP and RS232 support including wake-up on LAN.".... I downloaded the manual and it doesn't even mention "wake-up on LAN".

My question is with powering on the player with a WiFi app, like Roomie or iRule, I need to integrate additional IR equipment, or I'd just go with the iControl2012. There is a question about this over on the SC-61 forum, the poster was able to program the player to power off... but could not get it to power on.... Unfortunately, no one answered his question... so I thought I'd ask here.

If you are using it to power on your player, how well does it work and how do you enable it? Is it just a menu item the manual doesn't mention.

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I use roomie and the Pioneer app to control it over my internet connection. I plug the the 62 into my apple airport extreme. You need to set the player to quick start mode. Works great.




The Roomie interface does everything except for the continue feature. Unless it is there and I can't find it.

Sometimes I use the Pionneer app because it is veery simple and "clean". I like to use it if I think I might only need pause and play and the pop up menu.

I didn't like using my phone at first, but now I love it.
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Cool... thank you very much for your reply.
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Brave still locks up after the update. If you are desperate smile.gif to watch it, just use the 2.0 channel soundtrack and it plays.
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Tried to play Dredd again with the new update. Still getting lock ups.


Just a update on this. So I went back to BB where I got my copy of Dredd and Total Recall. And to my surprise the geek squad guy said. Let me guess.. Lookups! Disk unreadable! Unknown Disk! Yea so he went and got the new copy's. He opened both copies to test. Both played fine. Went home and played it on my 62. Whata you know, it was the disk at fault all this time. Ok, now I'm happy with this player again..
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Just a update on this. So I went back to BB where I got my copy of Dredd and Total Recall. And to my surprise the geek squad guy said. Let me guess.. Lookups! Disk unreadable! Unknown Disk! Yea so he went and got the new copy's. He opened both copies to test. Both played fine. Went home and played it on my 62. Whata you know, it was the disk at fault all this time. Ok, now I'm happy with this player again..
I said this before Here ...when it came to disc lock UPS..all the movies that was said to lockup ..was not this players fault..I don't wont to think that my player is special.. But it play all the media I though at it.. Yes those movies to...sacd wave/ flac mkv.. Have on a sick...and the player whipped..all..i am very happy with this..player..one issue ..I have which is not a big deal is the hdmi/kuro.. Link those not allways see my kuro..plasma..

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This is the first time I've been able to enjoy the SACD format. I have purchased two discs and I am very happy. I had no plans about the SACD feature when I purchased so it is a pleasant addition.
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I recently replaced my Pioneer BDP-51 with oppo 103.
I loved the 51 but it was super slow and the laser was beginning to fail.

The 103 loads fast and sounds great, but has some issues with picture. (sharpness is very odd- 0 too soft +1 is too processed)

I'm looking back to Pioneer since I have a pioneer Kuro.

Performance wise- The 62FD is basically identical to the 53FD?
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The 62 is faster loading than the 53 but the 62 is not a true Elite. In Europe it's not sold as an LX model (LX is the Elite equivalent). So the 62 is also as light as a feather.

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The 62FD (450 elsewhere) is basically last year's 52FD (440 elsewhere), the middle model in price and build but with the Qdeo and dual HDMI (from the 53FD) added and a few minor changes. The middle model has never been a true Elite, only by name to fool people in NA. There are only two models this year compared to three from previous years, which makes sense if there's nothing new to add (well there is if they want to) and if it doesn't sell. Our Pio rep has stopped coming here to promote it altogether.

Audiosceptics accept audio trials using 25 people. A recent Oxford study with over 353,000 patient records from 639 separate clinical trials shows for every 1,000 people taking diclofenac or ibuprofen there would be 3 additional heart attacks, 4 more cases of heart failure and 1 death every year.

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I'm thinking of going with the Pioneer 150.
A local dealer is selling them off at $130.

The only concern is the SD up scale.
As long as it's good as my old 51FD- I'll be happy.
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The 62FD (450 elsewhere) is basically last year's 52FD (440 elsewhere), the middle model in price and build but with the Qdeo and dual HDMI (from the 53FD) added and a few minor changes. The middle model has never been a true Elite, only by name to fool people in NA. There are only two models this year compared to three from previous years, which makes sense if there's nothing new to add (well there is if they want to) and if it doesn't sell. Our Pio rep has stopped coming here to promote it altogether.

Well, I am not a pro installer nor am I a Pio rep, so my opinion isn't probably worth much. But, the days of way over-priced, reference Blu-ray players are long gone - we mostly have Oppo and a slew of well-performing, very low-end players to thank for all that good news. When I read
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, I mostly think of maybe the need to add a lead sheet on the bottom to make it heavier? I don't know...

Frankly, I think the -62FD is a great value for $300.00. It crushes the Denon and Sony models it replaced for me, IMO, with respect to DVD upscaling. It's extremely quiet when spinning discs (I sit right next to it), it loads discs quickly, it looks nice in the stack and, other than a couple of problematic BDs that other players have had problems with, for me it's been reliable.

FWIW, my father uses a pro installer for his home-wide system (Control4, et al.) and the team that re-did his spinners chose the Sony BDP-S390 for all of his Blu-ray players - I couldn't believe that choice, given his spend elsewhere in the system. And you know what? DVDs and BDs on his 8000 series Samsung LED panels look absolutely fantastic.

I suspect that the real reason the Pio reps are not promoting the unit is they can't maintain a margin on the player (i.e. price drops from competition and on-line sales) have eroded their street price so far below the MSRP no one makes any money.

Just my $0.02.

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Well, I am not a pro installer nor am I a Pio rep, so my opinion isn't probably worth much. But, the days of way over-priced, reference Blu-ray players are long gone - we mostly have Oppo and a slew of well-performing, very low-end players to thank for all that good news. When I read
, I mostly think of maybe the need to add a lead sheet on the bottom to make it heavier? I don't know...

Frankly, I think the -62FD is a great value for $300.00. It crushes the Denon and Sony models it replaced for me, IMO, with respect to DVD upscaling. It's extremely quiet when spinning discs (I sit right next to it), it loads discs quickly, it looks nice in the stack and, other than a couple of problematic BDs that other players have had problems with, for me it's been reliable.

FWIW, my father uses a pro installer for his home-wide system (Control4, et al.) and the team that re-did his spinners chose the Sony BDP-S390 for all of his Blu-ray players - I couldn't believe that choice, given his spend elsewhere in the system. And you know what? DVDs and BDs on his 8000 series Samsung LED panels look absolutely fantastic.

I suspect that the real reason the Pio reps are not promoting the unit is they can't maintain a margin on the player (i.e. price drops from competition and on-line sales) have eroded their street price so far below the MSRP no one makes any money.

Just my $0.02.
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Well, I am not a pro installer nor am I a Pio rep, so my opinion isn't probably worth much. But, the days of way over-priced, reference Blu-ray players are long gone - we mostly have Oppo and a slew of well-performing, very low-end players to thank for all that good news.

I don't necessarily disagree with all that, price coming down for more performance is a good thing. The real point is, if it's not built like what used to be an Elite and what people expect an Elite to be, then don't call it Elite.
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Well it's not the ONLY thing but part of the whole package. Again if it's not built like one then don't call it Elite, like in the rest of the world where it's just a 450.

EDIT. weight: 51FD (non-Elite) in 2007: 5.6kg vs 440 (Elite 52FD) in 2011: 2.6kg wink.gif
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Frankly, I think the -62FD is a great value for $300.00. It crushes the Denon and Sony models it replaced for me, IMO, with respect to DVD upscaling. It's extremely quiet when spinning discs (I sit right next to it), it loads discs quickly, it looks nice in the stack and, other than a couple of problematic BDs that other players have had problems with, for me it's been reliable.

Good to know but that can or should also be true for a non-Elite player so it has no bearings on whether it should be an Elite or not.

For the record I have a 51FD (non-Elite), 320 (for under $200) and 140 (for little over $100), and a Sony S770 (the flagship, for under $200), that's all good value. I would have bought the 440 NIB at clearance half price if I had not already bought the 140. So I'm not one to spend lots just for the Elite label or the weight smile.gif but to be an Elite there ought to be some distinction to make it stand out from the rest. That's all.

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