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i had a problem last night where my hardrive plugged up to the back of the oppo did that very same thing. i plugged the harddrive back to pc and set share to full control and security to full control for everyone. plugged the harddrive back into oppo 103 and the hang up whent away and the folder opened. I then played my mkv file.


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Subtitles for Blu-ray and DVD Video are not generated by the player, they are graphic images that the player has no control over. They should look the same on every player.


These sound like encoding errors in the text subtitles. Where are they coming from?
DVD and Blu-ray both use graphic subtitles, but of a different format. DVD uses VOBSUB, Blu-ray uses PGS/SUP.

The OPPO supports VOBSUB in MKV, but not PGS/SUP. (I've asked for it). However, there is a free utility BDSup2Sub which will convert PGS/SUP to hidef VOBSUB.

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Hi Bill.
I have the same problem with the subtitles on 103 but not on the KDLINKS media player at all when I watch the very same MKV movie. The subtitle is read clearly in English without problem as OPPO 103.

Thanks for your input Bill.

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Yamaha RS-V2600 receiver stops playing 5.1 mix from BDP-103 when switching programs

Sometimes when switching between episodes on a disc, or switching between discs (this happens with both blu-rays and DVD's), my Yamaha RS-V2600 receiver does not get the 5.1 mix. Its display reads "PRO LOGIC", when it should be "MPCM". Even though all speakers are operating, I lose center channel sound, so it becomes obvious when I start playing something and hear no dialog. (Fortunately, this problem does not occur while in the middle of playing a program). My workaround for this is to set the receiver to a different input, like phono, then switch it back to the OPPO input. Then the 5.1 mix is back, and the display reads "MPCM". OPPO pointed the finger at Yamaha and said "We send out whatever is on the disc". Yamaha pointed the finger at OPPO and said "We receive whatever the player is sending". Very frustrating. I can borrow a friend's receiver and see if it happens again, but the problem is intermittent and not reproducible on demand.
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Hi Bill.
I have the same problem with the subtitles on 103 but not on the KDLINKS media player at all when I watch the very same MKV movie. The subtitle is read clearly in English without problem as OPPO 103.

Thanks for your input Bill.

If the problem is that the font is ugly, you can't do anything about that on the OPPO.

Does the subtitle not show at all, or does it show with some bad characters?

Is this with a external or embedded file?

Do you know the text encoding used for the subtitle track?

-Bill


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Any suggestions on headphones, over the ear,for 103 and a Onkyp TX 515....$100 range? Or impossible to get quality at that price point? Thanks...
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Any suggestions on headphones, over the ear,for 103 and a Onkyp TX 515....$100 range? Or impossible to get quality at that price point? Thanks...

Not impossible. Look into these for close to $100. They are very good.
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I have a question maybe someone can answer for me. I recently purchased my first oppo 103 and it came with the wireless adapter im wondering if I could use the usb wireless adapter and plug into my onkyo 3008 usb connection to do a firmware update
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Are your two drives initialized with different labels, so as to be uniquely recognizable?

What appears onscreen at the initial presentation which should show both drives as folders with their labels, and what button from the 103 home menu are you using to start the navigation from?

They are both labelled, and they both show up correctly. When I am picking the drive to access, I'm hitting the Enter key on the remote after highlighting it with the arrow keys.

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Can you isolated the hangs ups to any one folder/file? Or does it appear random?

Unfortunately, it seems to be completely random. It was doing this multiple times on Friday night and Saturday morning, but now I can't reliably reproduce the issue. I doubt it was a specific file because the crash occurred when I picked a hard drive, before I could even see a list of the files.

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Attended the Axpona high end audio show in Chicago this weekend and saw about half a dozen Oppo's being used in various rooms primarily for CD playback. Never heard anything but great things from those using, mostly the 95, in their demonstration rooms. More rooms use servers for demo material, maybe three with vinyl. Here's my question. Has anyone found a way to divide the HDMI coming out of the source, in this case Direct TV Genie, and have the one divided signal make it through a 103?

I want to have the ability to listen to CD's while watching, say, a basketball game. I first tried a regular passive device, then an amplified device, and no signal makes it through. The amped one is rated a 1.3a and 3D. I know I can just switch the HDMI cable to a direct connection and listen to the TV speakers as normally my 103 directly drives my Aragon and Apogee's. I had just hoped to have the ability to have both options without doing any reconnecting. I also know they are familiar with an issue with a small click between tracks on a CD. And if I just turn off the TV at night and leave the satellite box on and the OPPO is in the HDMI input, there is a large rushing hiss that appears. Have to switch the OPPO to the disc screen and then all is quiet. Also, at least on Direct TV source, there are loud thumps when I stop a program and it switches to the option screen of deleting or not, which then blacks out for a second and comes back with the audio thump. I enjoy the picture quality improvement running through the 103, as well as the audio control over my basic stereo amp/speakers.

I really appreciate being able to run directly to my amp as my Audio Research tubed preamp gets left off except for vinyl playback, which will extend it's life greatly, PLUS the audio quality surpasses going through the preamp in definition and clarity. The volume control appears superb (compared to my old 83SE which was a different capability).

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Amazon has the ATH 40's for $50 are they comprable or not worth it? Thanks...
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Not impossible. Look into these for close to $100. They are very good.
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Amazon has the 40's for about $50....are they sufficient or not comparable? Thanks...
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Amazon has the 40's for about $50....are they sufficient or not comparable? Thanks...

Sorry jerry, but we should probably stay on the Oppo topic here. You can do the research and decide for yourself, but I doubt they are as good as the ones I recommended. I own the 50's but not the 40's so cannot comment. Search for reviews and you shall see.
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Will stick to Oppo....by the way just ordered the 50's😄thanks.
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I have a question maybe someone can answer for me. I recently purchased my first oppo 103 and it came with the wireless adapter im wondering if I could use the usb wireless adapter and plug into my onkyo 3008 usb connection to do a firmware update

I don't think that the Onkyo can do this, except a wireless adapter is offered as optional accessory for the 3008. If it is not, which is the case for the 3008, it will not have the settings for wireless network in the AVR and it will have no driver.
Unless you have some menu for wireless network, it won't work. However, just try it and maybe something happens.
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If the problem is that the font is ugly, you can't do anything about that on the OPPO.

Does the subtitle not show at all, or does it show with some bad characters?

Is this with a external or embedded file?

Do you know the text encoding used for the subtitle track?

-Bill

The font is ugly and smaller size which I could adjust the size and font on the KDLINKS.
I have used on both external and internal with .sub, .srt... sometime it's not even appeared on the TV.

Thanks.

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i had a problem last night where my hardrive plugged up to the back of the oppo did that very same thing. i plugged the harddrive back to pc and set share to full control and security to full control for everyone. plugged the harddrive back into oppo 103 and the hang up whent away and the folder opened. I then played my mkv file.


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Hello, I am here to ask if anyone can help me understand why I am having audio issues with a setup using the split A/V dual HDMI on the BDP-103 into a Pioneer VS-32. Specifically, when watching a BD, Casino Royale there are no issues with with uncompressed audio during regular playback. However, when attempting to play Special Features, there is no audio output whatsoever. Looking at the avr's display window, there is a loss of the HDMI designation (it actually flickers) and it displays DPL II with no sound output. Exactly the same audio issue occurs when pressing the Oppo's 3d conversion button. I may have missed this issue reading the online manual and FAQ section. Thanks, I'll contact customer support if the answer isn't forthcoming here.
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Im installing a new AVR and I was wondering if someone could tell me if the lip sync issue is only when using HDMI 1 for video to a display and HDMI 2 out to the AVR for audio only, or if it is related not to that but whether you are using HDMI In ?

What Im getting at, is while Ive got everything pulled out, would it be more reliable to run my Dish DVR into the Oppo, use just HDMI 1 out to the AVR for audio and video, then one HDMI from the AVR to display? Up until now Ive used HDMI 1 for video and HDMI 2 out for audio and have had some sync issues.

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These sound like encoding errors in the text subtitles. Where are they coming from?
Where I am getting the mkv subs from? Nefarious means (not peer-to-peer though). Basically I've been exploring the possibility of ripping my considerable DVD/BD collection to a series of portable Hard Drives so I can cut down on the amount of discs in my house, so I've been reading up on how all this MKV playback malarkey works etc, and because most of the titles in my collection are foreign language, I chose to acquire MKV rips of a few of the titles in my collection (this was before I discovered ripping utilities like MakeMKV).

It was testing these files that I noticed a discrepancy in the subtitles embedded in the MKV files and subtitles displayed by the retail discs in my collection. I also noticed that if I used an external subtitle file (ie: .srt file or .sub) then the subtitles the Oppo displayed would be exactly the same as for the retail blu-ray discs. So essentially the "cruder" subtitles were only being displayed for MKV-embedded titles.

I'll have to dig out my digital camera and do a MKV/BD side-by-side comparison. I'll also take pics of the subs on one of my studio ghibli discs, those subs are a bit eccentric on my Oppo (but not tried them on any other player as they're Region A).
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The OPPO supports VOBSUB in MKV, but not PGS/SUP. (I've asked for it). However, there is a free utility BDSup2Sub which will convert PGS/SUP to hidef VOBSUB.
This sounds like it explains the issue then, the MKV embedded subs are poorer quality than the Blu-ray subs because they're VOBSUB only? Could it be that the Oppo can't handle hi-def vobsub in MKV files?
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I don't think that the Onkyo can do this, except a wireless adapter is offered as optional accessory for the 3008. If it is not, which is the case for the 3008, it will not have the settings for wireless network in the AVR and it will have no driver.
Unless you don't have some menu for wireless network, it won't work. However, just try it and maybe something happens.
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This sounds like it explains the issue then, the MKV embedded subs are poorer quality than the Blu-ray subs because they're VOBSUB only? Could it be that the Oppo can't handle hi-def vobsub in MKV files?

If the embedded subtitles are text based (ie, from .srt files) then the rendering is different and depends on the fonts in the player. DVD and Blu-ray native subtitles are graphic based and the appearance is predetermined; the player does nothing about it.

The -103 does support hidef VOBSUB, although this was never published in the release notes. It just appeared in a firmware update after initial release. "Unofficially" supports, I should say.

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Im installing a new AVR and I was wondering if someone could tell me if the lip sync issue is only when using HDMI 1 for video to a display and HDMI 2 out to the AVR for audio only, or if it is related not to that but whether you are using HDMI In ?
In my experience, the problem stems from using HDMI input and audio output to the AVR/speakers either via HDMI1 along with video, or via analog output to the AVR/speakers, when HDMI2 is powered off.

I have not seen any lip sync problem (via HDMI2 and my external headphone system) when using HDMI input and with the multi-channel audio actually being fed to HDMI2 in "Split A/V" mode when HDMI2 is powered on (i.e. my external headphone audio system), so that video-only goes to HDMI1 and audio-only goes to HDMI2.
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In my experience, the problem stems from using HDMI input and audio output to the AVR/speakers either via HDMI1 along with video, or via analog output to the AVR/speakers, when HDMI2 is powered off.

I have not seen any lip sync problem (via HDMI2 and my external headphone system) when using HDMI input and with the multi-channel audio actually being fed to HDMI2 in "Split A/V" mode when HDMI2 is powered on (i.e. my external headphone audio system), so that video-only goes to HDMI1 and audio-only goes to HDMI2.

Cool, thanks. I saw in a post a week ago where Oppo is working on a new release to tweak the sync, so maybe that will help the issues.

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Cool, thanks. I saw in a post a week ago where Oppo is working on a new release to tweak the sync, so maybe that will help the issues.

Hopefully this update will be coming out soon because I've been patiently waiting for this lip sync issue to be resolved!

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My album art experiments were long ago and perhaps out of date for the BDP-103, but it seemed to me the player would display images embedded as a tag in the file. This is the same as for local files. I did not see it for any external images, and I didn't think it was common for DLNA servers to support that (but times change).

There are two ways that album art can be transferred:

1) As you mention, the first method is when the actual music file contains meta data tags. This means that as the player downloads the music file from the server, it parses the embedded tags, and displays the respective data on screen. This can work well when the file being played is in the original music format that the user had tagged (e.g. AAC and MP3). However it does not work if the server is transcoding the file to another format (unless the server adds the tags on the fly), and it certainly does not work if the server is streaming lossless LPCM (since PCM is not allowed to contain anything beyond plain music samples).

2) The second method is using the UPnP mechanisms. Actually this splits into two sub- methods depending on whether the player is browsing the server's content directory tree and "pulling" the music ("Play" function) or whether the server or some other Control Point is "pushing" the music to the player ("Play To" function).

2a) UPNP Pull mode: in this mode the player browses the server's content directory tree (using the UPNP Browse action), and for each album or track in the tree the server delivers an xml data packet that contains meta data (title, artists, genre, duration, format, etc.) as well as resource URLs where the player can download (pull) the track from (there may be several URLs coresponding to different transcoded music formats), and also a URL where the player can download the album art from.

2b) UPNP Push mode: in this mode, the server or another Control Point uses the UPNP SetAvTransportUri action to command the player to play a specific track. In this case the server also passes (similar to case 2a above) an xml data packet that contains the track resource URL, the respective meta data and the album art URL.

In my tests, I was running case 2b) above, with music transcoded by the server from M4A format to LPCM, and in this case, the player shows the track meta data but it is not downloading the album art (to be quite precise: I don't know if it is downloading it, but it is certainly not displaying it...)

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How is your album art stored, and what DLNA client displays it?

The question is not really relevant, but just so you know: My source files are a mix of FLAC, M4A, MP3, WAV, and perhaps others. All have meta data within the files (in whatever is the allowed tag format for that file format). My servers all offer the meta data, track resources and art URLs in conformity with the UPNp certification tests. Other clients (such as JRiver, Windows Media Player, Sony Tv, and various mobile phone apps) can display that meta data and art from these servers. However the Oppo does not...
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Oppo never shows instantly with JRiver (everything else on the network is visible), sometimes I only have to wait a few moments and other times in never shows and I have to cycle the 103 on and off to get it to show up, sometimes I have to go in the network settings area of the 103, sometimes I have to shut down Media Center (Only 1 time for this).

Oppo says it is JRiver and JRiver says its Oppo...great frown.gif

JRiver is pretty slow in discovering UPNP devices, but they did improve things in more recent versions (do you have v18 or v17?).

( also keep in mind that if your router or wifi access point is set to block or filter multicasts or unicasts, this may hamper the discovery process too... )

You can check independantly if the issue is Oppo, JRiver, or a problem on your PC or home network, by using the Intel Test Tools Device Spy application ( http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/02/04/developer-tools-for-upnp-update ).
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Hopefully this update will be coming out soon because I've been patiently waiting for this lip sync issue to be resolved!
Yes, it certainly is annoying.

Thankfully after it finally builds to a point where it is intolerable, I can press STOP on my DVR to revert back to the Guide or "My Recordings" screen, wait a few seconds (I guess zero sound with a stationary picture must flush the out-of-sync buffers from the 103, preparing to start over), and then push PLAY again.

Inevitably, the resumed playback is now once again not out of lip-sync... at least for a while. I suspect it's already present and starting to accumulate, but just not quite visible yet.

On some occasions, the symptom has complete disappeared on its own while watching one long show, not to return again until the next program is selected for playback from the DVR. It was there on that initial program, it got worse, and suddenly it went away completely and I didn't push STOP/PLAY to deal with it.

Fortunately it doesn't seem present when both HDMI1 and HDMI2 are active, with "Split A/V" in effect and video-only going to HDMI1 and multi-channel audio going to HDMI2. This is how I do my "serious watching/listening (through multi-channel headphones)" anyway. For me it definitely only appears when HDMI2 is powered off ("Split A/V" still in effect) and thus both audio+video are now going out over HDMI1 (as well as to analog, which always goes out even when HDMI2 is powered on).

Looking forward to an Oppo solution.
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I've just purchased the Samsung PN60 E7000 plasma. I've owned a Toshiba HD-DVD XA2 for 5 years and used it to upscale my SD-DVDs to my old Samsung 56" DLP. So I'm wondering with the improvement in PQ with the new E7000 (as compared to the Samsung DLP) would I see much difference in PQ b/w the Toshiba upscaling vs the Oppo 103 upscaling on the new E7000 television? If that's not clear..I mean will I see a significant difference in upscaling b/w Oppo and Toshiba on an HDTV that has so much improved PQ from the old DLP? If the differences are minor..then it wouldn't justify the $500.00 for the Oppo. Thanks in advance!
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I've just purchased the Samsung PN60 E7000 plasma. I've owned a Toshiba HD-DVD XA2 for 5 years and used it to upscale my SD-DVDs to my old Samsung 56" DLP. So I'm wondering with the improvement in PQ with the new E7000 (as compared to the Samsung DLP) would I see much difference in PQ b/w the Toshiba upscaling vs the Oppo 103 upscaling on the new E7000 television? If that's not clear..I mean will I see a significant difference in upscaling b/w Oppo and Toshiba on an HDTV that has so much improved PQ from the old DLP? If the differences are minor..then it wouldn't justify the $500.00 for the Oppo. Thanks in advance!
Try your Toshiba for a while and see how it does. You can then try the 103 directly from OPPO for thirty days. The only cost to you would be returning it to OPPO.

I think that the most noticeable improvement would come from a professional calibration done by someone with a good reputation here at AVS. wink.gif

If my memory is correct, the XA2 is pretty good with SD DVD movies.

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