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Is it true that the Oppo BDP-103 does not support playback of ripped BDMV folder structures anymore? I have considered to grab a Oppo BDP-103 to replace my PS3 as Blu-Ray player, as well as using it for upscaling my satellite content and for streaming 720P / 1080P MKV and BDMV folders containing m2ts.
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Has anyone successfully managed to push 24-bit/192 kHz 5.1 MCH audio to the Oppo via wireless or direct ethernet connection error free?
What application are you using to 'push' these audio files. What audio format are they?

I am using an excellent media server from http://www.kooraroo.com . The Australian owner, who is the main programmer has been nice enough to even do custom file formats for me, like transcoding 24b/352.8KHz HiRez audio files to 24b/192KHz, stereo or multichannel for free. You ask and he provides and the server is cheap at $35 after a free 30-day trial period. This server is in Bills FAQ for the 103 list of servers used on the Oppo.

 

BTW, the periodic stuttering problem doesn't occur pushing stereo files at 192kHz. Only when pushing 5.1 files. Files are in WAV format.


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Is it true that the Oppo BDP-103 does not support playback of ripped BDMV folder structures anymore?

That has been true for a while. Recently the "AVCHD trick" was removed, where a BDMV folder could be placed inside an AVHCD folder (or a new AVCHD structure authored).

AVCHD copies with single-title only (no menus) still seem to be working, but there is no way to know how long this will continue. The studios require these restrictions and new orders come down as they become aware of the ways people are copying the discs.

If single-title is good enough, then MKV and M2TS also work, although M2TS does not support chapter stops and MKV on the OPPO does not currently support PGS/SUP subtitles.

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I am using an excellent media server from www.kookaroo.com . The Australian owner, who is the main programmer has been nice enough to even do custom file formats for me, like transcoding 24b/352.8KHz HiRez audio files to 24b/192KHz, stereo or multichannel for free. You ask and he provides and the server is cheap at $35 after a free 30-day trial period. This server is in Bills FAQ for the 103 list of servers used on the Oppo.

BTW, the periodic stuttering problem doesn't occur pushing stereo files at 192kHz. Only when pushing 5.1 files. Files are in WAV format.

The player is fully capable of playing such files via network, so I'd suspect your issue is in the PC or the network itself.
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Yes.

Just to clarify, is the player gonna play the full DTS-HD MA in that case or, only the core barebone DTS? Is this solution the one that gives the best result (quality wise) in preserving the source for a network-based setup? I am thinking about replacing my Sony S590 player which does not support MKV neither Hd tracks, therefore just want to be sure if I must press the buy button smile.gif

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That has been true for a while. Recently the "AVCHD trick" was removed, where a BDMV folder could be placed inside an AVHCD folder (or a new AVCHD structure authored).

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I don't believe this is true. All I am doing is placing the contents of a BR disc inside a folder. The folder I name as the title of the disc. (Example - American Graffiti). When I click on the "American Graffiti" folder the BR contents within the folder plays as if the BR disc was in the drive. This is prior to the Beta. That's where my firmware will stay now for the life of the player. I have the update alert turned off. I guess that this will be the last Oppo player that I will own as well.
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If the 103 doesn't do PGS subs in an Mkv, what do people do to get them? And do you have a walk through for any conversion methods?

To confirm as well, still no cinavia for Mkv network streams files, correct?

Lastly, do any of the network share interfaces allow for meta data, even just poster art as least? Or is it limited just to browsing file names in a list?
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That's where my firmware will stay now for the life of the player. I have the update alert turned off. I guess that this will be the last Oppo player that I will own as well.

That's what many 93 owners said as well when ISO playback was removed. There are 93 owners that haven't updated firmware since Dec. 2011.

Of course, now there are some of us that are adding a 103 to sit side-by-side with our 93 to get DSD playback and cue file support among other new features. You just need to wait for the next generation Oppo player to see if it offers enough upgrades to justify adding it to your 103.
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I don't really care about subs, as I don't use any. But the lack of both BD ISO and BDMV folder playback is a drawback.

Does it support the playback of DTS:MA or Dolby TrueHD from MKV containers? If so I could simply remux my rips without any loss of quality.

I don't care for the BD menus either, I've just kept with BDMV folders containing m2ts in order to keep the quality at 100%.

One could always navigate directly to the correct m2ts file, but that's not userfriendly at all..
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If the 103 doesn't do PGS subs in an Mkv, what do people do to get them? And do you have a walk through for any conversion methods?

Standard definition VOBSUB (as used on DVD) has always been supported in MKV, and although it has not been mentioned in the release notes, hi-definition VOBSUB began working in a firmware update after the player was first released.

There is a free utility BDSup2Sub which will convert PGS/SUP subtitles to hi-def VOBSUB. The workflow would be:
  • Extract PGS with tsMuxeR
  • Convert with BDSup2Sub
  • Add the VOBSUB to the MKV container with mkvmerge

All with free utilities, but it takes several steps. Since it is not officially supported there is a chance it could go away in the future.
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Correct. No Cinavia detection in MKV or M2TS. For now, as I always warn people.

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I don't really care about subs, as I don't use any. But the lack of both BD ISO and BDMV folder playback is a drawback.

Does it support the playback of DTS:MA or Dolby TrueHD from MKV containers?

Yes, both.

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If the 103 doesn't do PGS subs in an Mkv, what do people do to get them? And do you have a walk through for any conversion methods?
You can either convert PGS subtitles to DVD style 'graphics based' VOBsubs (.sub+idx) or to 'text-based' subtitles such as SRT, ASS, etc


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That's what many 93 owners said as well when ISO playback was removed. There are 93 owners that haven't updated firmware since Dec. 2011.

Of course, now there are some of us that are adding a 103 to sit side-by-side with our 93 to get DSD playback and cue file support among other new features. You just need to wait for the next generation Oppo player to see if it offers enough upgrades to justify adding it to your 103.

I updated my 93 and lost the ISO capability. It wasn't that important to me to be able to watch a DVD as an ISO because of the inherent quality (or lack thereof) in a DVD. I have converted my favorite DVD's to mkv files with 5.1 audio pass-through. That's good enough for me. My mother is using my 93 now. To me a Universal player should be just that. You shouldn't need 2 universal players to do what you want to do. In that case, neither is a "Universal Player".
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I just recently bought the 103, my old player was the Pioneer 51FD. After testing it on a few good blu ray discs, I must say the Oppo PQ is better than the Pionner 51FD. I used the HDMI 1 out directly to the Panny AE 7000 with detail set to +1. The Pioneer 51FD BR image was soft and lack punch to a point that I wanted to sell my Panny AE 7000 and buy another projector. The 103 image is more contrasty, has more detail and is perhpas a little more digitized. But now I got the punchy image I was looking for in the first place and I am not thinking about replacing my AE 7000 anymore. I always thougth HDMI is HDMI but apparently there's some processing going on insdie the 103 and it's working for my taste.
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please help. I am trying to run my comcast cable box through the OPPO 103 then to LED. On all channels I receive a warning of copyright protection and then my screen goes green. I called OPPO and they said that i could download a firmware update to solve this. Any help would be appreciated.
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I updated my 93 and lost the ISO capability. It wasn't that important to me to be able to watch a DVD as an ISO because of the inherent quality (or lack thereof) in a DVD. I have converted my favorite DVD's to mkv files with 5.1 audio pass-through. That's good enough for me.
So what you guys require is someone to develop a UPnP media server that can parse .ISO files...

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please help. I am trying to run my comcast cable box through the OPPO 103 then to LED. On all channels I receive a warning of copyright protection and then my screen goes green. I called OPPO and they said that i could download a firmware update to solve this. Any help would be appreciated.

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In that case, neither is a "Universal Player".

The meaning of that phrase is being lost in the mists of time. "Universal Player" means "plays all audio disc formats: CD, DVD-A, and SACD".

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... the periodic stuttering problem doesn't occur pushing stereo files at 192kHz. Only when pushing 5.1 files. Files are in WAV format.

Weell, 192kHz 5.1ch 24 bit equals 192000 x 6 x 24 = 27M Bits/Sec (whereas stereo would only be 9.2M Bits/Sec). So you are probably hitting a network throughput bottleneck on the server, the LAN or the player, or a buffer overrun on the player. You are expecting quite a lot from the poor thing...
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I am using an excellent media server from www.kookaroo.com .

Did you click that link? That is really the best web site I have ever seen !!
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please help. I am trying to run my comcast cable box through the OPPO 103 then to LED. On all channels I receive a warning of copyright protection and then my screen goes green. I called OPPO and they said that i could download a firmware update to solve this. Any help would be appreciated.

Go here and get the latest firmware. I just installed the latest beta firmware and LOVE the USB keyboard support.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I found this board by contacting Oppo customer support. I had also asked about if it was possible to permanently authorize the player to access my YouTube account and this is what they told me:

"The YouTube authentication issue is a known bug that we're hoping to resolve in a future firmware update - not too sure if the next update will resolve the issue, however."

That would be AWESOME.

Also...Hi, everybody! smile.gif
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Weell, 192kHz 5.1ch 24 bit equals 192000 x 6 x 24 = 27M Bits/Sec (whereas stereo would only be 9.2M Bits/Sec). So you are probably hitting a network throughput bottleneck on the server, the LAN or the player, or a buffer overrun on the player. You are expecting quite a lot from the poor thing...

The Oppo is fully capable of accepting 5.1 24/192 audio via Ethernet, I do this frequently on a Gigabit wired network. The player's Ethernet port is more than adequate.
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... the periodic stuttering problem doesn't occur pushing stereo files at 192kHz. Only when pushing 5.1 files. Files are in WAV format.

Weell, 192kHz 5.1ch 24 bit equals 192000 x 6 x 24 = 27M Bits/Sec (whereas stereo would only be 9.2M Bits/Sec). So you are probably hitting a network throughput bottleneck on the server, the LAN or the player, or a buffer overrun on the player. You are expecting quite a lot from the poor thing...

 

These files play fine on the Oppo when  its 'pulling' the data directly of the NAS. Pushing data to it seems to be the problem.

 

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Did you click that link? That is really the best web site I have ever seen !!

 Doh!!! My mistake indeed. I corrected it in my original post to http://www.kooraroo.com . Unfortunately, typing emails at 1:30am is no recipe for coherency...


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Weell, 192kHz 5.1ch 24 bit equals 192000 x 6 x 24 = 27M Bits/Sec (whereas stereo would only be 9.2M Bits/Sec). So you are probably hitting a network throughput bottleneck on the server, the LAN or the player, or a buffer overrun on the player. You are expecting quite a lot from the poor thing...

The Oppo is fully capable of accepting 5.1 24/192 audio via Ethernet, I do this frequently on a Gigabit wired network. The player's Ethernet port is more than adequate.

See my response above to AndrewFG on this same question. When Oppo pulls data, all is fine. When data is pushed to it, then problems occur.


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At the most it could be construed to mean "universal shiny disc player". It's certainly never been meant to mean "full-featured media player".

This has been true from day one and still is: If you need a full featured media box, don't buy a BD player and expect it to act like one. Most folks are happy with a BD player plus a media box. There's no such thing as a "one box solution".
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Has anyone successfully managed to push 24-bit/192 kHz 5.1 MCH audio (WAV format) to the Oppo via wireless or direct ethernet connection error free? I have a direct Ethernet connection and the audio stutters or glitches every 30 seconds or so as seen in task manager's network throughput screen below. Similar thing happens via my wireless using my 300Mb/s router as well....

 

I have done it with wired Ethernet and pushing from jRiver.  I had problems similar to yours with a Dune player doing the pulling but not with the Oppo, either pushed or pulled.


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At the most it could be construed to mean "universal shiny disc player". It's certainly never been meant to mean "full-featured media player".

This has been true from day one and still is: If you need a full featured media box, don't buy a BD player and expect it to act like one. Most folks are happy with a BD player plus a media box. There's no such thing as a "one box solution".

Unfortunately, even a full-featured media box can't do everything my 93 can - full ISO playback, including DVD-As. The 93 with ISO playback is still one-of-a-kind, except of course the 95 with ISO playback. wink.gif
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I updated my 93 and lost the ISO capability. It wasn't that important to me to be able to watch a DVD as an ISO because of the inherent quality (or lack thereof) in a DVD. I have converted my favorite DVD's to mkv files with 5.1 audio pass-through. That's good enough for me. My mother is using my 93 now. To me a Universal player should be just that. You shouldn't need 2 universal players to do what you want to do. In that case, neither is a "Universal Player".

The value of ISO playback for me is music Blu-rays (a growing part of my collection), DVD-As (not growing as fast but large none-the-less), and concert DVDs.

Movies were never the primary reason for ISO playback for me, but I use it for the few movies on Blu-ray or DVD that I own that I rewatch frequently.

Sorry, off-topic. Back to 103 Technical discussion.
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The value of ISO playback for me is music Blu-rays (a growing part of my collection), DVD-As (not growing as fast but large none-the-less), and concert DVDs.

Movies were never the primary reason for ISO playback for me, but I use it for the few movies on Blu-ray or DVD that I own that I rewatch frequently.

Sorry, off-topic. Back to 103 Technical discussion.

Well the 103 (prior to the current beta) plays back all of my music/concert Blu-rays loaded as BDMV folders which is just as good as ISO playback as far as I am concerned. I would never have the space to load all 250 of these discs that I own so I only have the ones I play most often loaded on the hard drive. I didn't bother loading any of my 300 plus BR movies to the hard drives as their playback frequency is much less than for music and concerts.
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For users in Europe, Oppo UK has now posted the French language Manual for the BDP-103EU:

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/downloads/

--Bob

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