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Cool, I think the $49 will be hard to beat and they will probably only plug it in as needed.

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The Stick will force the Oppo into "quick start" mode, which means it will always be on. (the Stick).
Setting the player back to energy saver mode will power down the Stick each time the player is turned off, requiring a 2-min boot for the Stick when the player is turned on again. Also good to note that if your leave the Stick streaming and switch the player back to "Blu-Ray Player" mode, the Stick continues streaming.

Those are the main considerations, your usage and preference should rule your choices. If you don't use the Stick a lot, or if its in danger of getting knocked if left in the player, consider removing it when not in use.

A better option is to buy a dedicated streaming device such as the Roku 2 XS, if one has an HDMI input on the AVR for it. I have noticed in the past that whether it be an oppo 93,103, or a Pioneer 62FD, they are extremely slow in loading Netflix. One will then have a dedicated remote and something else to lose amongst one's other remotes, although it is small with a purple lariat. The Roku 2 XS is always on because there is no on/off switch, so if one were not to pause or stop the streaming it wouldn't stop until the unit reached the end of the movie. So if one wants Amazon instant videos, that is one way to go and one doesn't already have the Roku USB stick.
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How long does Oppo typically support a player with new firmware to add compatibility with new Blu-ray discs? Do they still update that aspect of the 93 or even the 83? Just comparing support to something like the upcoming PS4. It's a given that Sony will support that console for 5-8 years with the latest and greatest. They've added more features and capabilities to the PS3 during its lifetime than I can count.
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A better option is to buy a dedicated streaming device such as the Roku 2 XS, if one has an HDMI input on the AVR for it. I have noticed in the past that whether it be an oppo 93,103, or a Pioneer 62FD, they are extremely slow in loading Netflix. One will then have a dedicated remote and something else to lose amongst one's other remotes, although it is small with a purple lariat. The Roku 2 XS is always on because there is no on/off switch, so if one were not to pause or stop the streaming it wouldn't stop until the unit reached the end of the movie. So if one wants Amazon instant videos, that is one way to go and one doesn't already have the Roku USB stick.

I used my new 103 for the 1st time last night. I dowloaded the new firmware then streamed netflix. I didn't notice a difference between the103 and my PS3. Could the new firmware have helped the Netflix app? I'm getting a little paranoid now about the netflix app on the 103, but (crossing fingers) last night was a pretty positive start....
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In my friends case of just needing amazon a couple of times a week, the stick makes a lot of sense, especially if they just wanna plug it in as needed.

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How long does Oppo typically support a player with new firmware to add compatibility with new Blu-ray discs? Do they still update that aspect of the 93 or even the 83? Just comparing support to something like the upcoming PS4. It's a given that Sony will support that console for 5-8 years with the latest and greatest. They've added more features and capabilities to the PS3 during its lifetime than I can count.

Big +1 on the PS3, amazing machine !

I was satisfied with BD playback on it, but not with DVD..

Also I've always wanted to get an Oppo player to add to my AV equipment, and last week just seemed like the right time to finally pull the trigger biggrin.gif

Haven't tried upscaling DVDs on it yet but I'm sure the QDEO chip must do a great job at it. If not, I can always output Source Direct from the 103 and use the HQV Vida chip in my Onkyo AVR to do the upscaling + deinterlacing cool.gif

Any opinions on the QDEO chip in the 103 versus the HQV Vida chip ??

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How long does Oppo typically support a player with new firmware to add compatibility with new Blu-ray discs? Do they still update that aspect of the 93 or even the 83? Just comparing support to something like the upcoming PS4. It's a given that Sony will support that console for 5-8 years with the latest and greatest. They've added more features and capabilities to the PS3 during its lifetime than I can count.

Most recent firmware update for the 93/95 at the moment is March of this year. That's a Public Beta, and indications suggest there will be another Public Beta before that becomes "Official". The 93 launched at the end of 2010.

Most recent firmware update for the 83 is March of last year. The 83 launched in early 2009.

Generally speaking OPPO's record is that it continues to provide fixes for quite a few years, except when a fix is impossible because the older chips simply can't support what needs to be changed.

Beyond fixes, OPPO has also added some features from newer players where possible, but that often is not possible simply because the older hardware can't support the newer feature. For example, OPPO was unhappy with the results of DVD 24p Conversion in the 83, and did not include that in the 93. By the time the 103 came out, a better solution was found, and much to our surprise, OPPO managed to make it work in the 93 as well.
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I'd have faith if you had an older model that would not play a newer Bluray, it would be fixed in an update after a simple email to support. I do think players are getting to the point where updates aren't really needed for normal Bluray discs.

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^^^ Thanks for the responses. I don't plan on using it except once in awhile for Amazon Prime, so I guess I'll take it out - like you said, I'm afraid of it getting knocked out.

To avoid having the Roku stick sticking out I use one of these small right angle adapters from Monoprice: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=4860&seq=1&format=2. Less than $5. The stick now sits flush against the front of my 103 protruding less than 1 1/2". Works like a charm with no problems.
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Most recent firmware update for the 93/95 at the moment is March of this year. That's a Public Beta, and indications suggest there will be another Public Beta before that becomes "Official". The 93 launched at the end of 2010.

Most recent firmware update for the 83 is March of last year. The 83 launched in early 2009.

Generally speaking OPPO's record is that it continues to provide fixes for quite a few years, except when a fix is impossible because the older chips simply can't support what needs to be changed.

Beyond fixes, OPPO has also added some features from newer players where possible, but that often is not possible simply because the older hardware can't support the newer feature. For example, OPPO was unhappy with the results of DVD 24p Conversion in the 83, and did not include that in the 93. By the time the 103 came out, a better solution was found, and much to our surprise, OPPO managed to make it work in the 93 as well.
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That's pretty impressive support for a standalone player. The Oppo does have advantages like the QDeo chip and HDMI inputs as well. I'm just doing as much research as I can before I drop that much money on a piece of equipment! Thanks for the info.
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Big +1 on the PS3, amazing machine !

I was satisfied with BD playback on it, but not with DVD..

Also I've always wanted to get an Oppo player to add to my AV equipment, and last week just seemed like the right time to finally pull the trigger biggrin.gif

Haven't tried upscaling DVDs on it yet but I'm sure the QDEO chip must do a great job at it. If not, I can always output Source Direct from the 103 and use the HQV Vida chip in my Onkyo AVR to do the upscaling + deinterlacing cool.gif

Any opinions on the QDEO chip in the 103 versus the HQV Vida chip ??

Probably a million opinions on this, but I actually like the SD-DVD handling better on HDMI 2, by-passing the QEDO chip, which tends
to automatically apply more NR and other processing (some contrast enhancement) than I like. In some careful testing the output
on SD-DVDs on HDMI 1 vs. 2 on discs I was involved with mastering, I found HDMI 2 closer to the original look we were going for.

Per Oppo, the QEDO chip has a built in algorithm that automatically adds more processing, the further the signal gets from 1080P.
That's why some people also prefer HDMI 2 for streaming. Skin tones can look waxy or over NR'd on Netflix on HDMI 1. Just
one person's take, but some others here have noted similar things.
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^ If you are going to use Source Direct output for 480i content (e.g., SD-DVDs), you should definitely use HDMI 2 output for both video and HDMI audio in the current Official firmware (0422). There's a horizontal color alignment issue with that combo on HDMI 1 output. (Known bug -- OPPO Engineering is on the case.)

Alternatively, use explicit 480i or any upscaled output resolution via either output socket.
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Quick question, has anyone seen any research that compares the analog sound quality of an 83SE to that of a 103? I read a post recently that claims both are very similar in sound quality.
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Your friend should be able to get the stick for 49.99. I think you have to put some purchase info in when you order off of Oppo's website, however.

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A friend of mine has 103 and would like more streaming ability. Would you stick users recommend just the stick for the 103 or a Roku 3? Same price so its kinda fielders choice. Seems like plugging in the stick when you need it would be less hassle however.

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I highly recommend using neither. Apple TV is far superior in picture quality, bitstream capability, and navigation. HUGE difference is the picture quality. The BDP-103, and Roku stream in lower resolution, and the Qdeo by Marvell absolutely destroys the picture—leaving the picture look ink smudges.

If one convinced one’s self they needed the horrible Qdeo processing, one could always run the apple TV through the BDP-103.

I Have Netflick accounts on all three, the OPPO-103, Roku streaming stick, Apple TV, and my wife outright refuses to deal with the 103, or the Roku. I love my Oppo, but I must admit the picture quality while streaming sucks.
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I do think players are getting to the point where updates aren't really needed for normal Bluray discs.

It comes in waves, where the cycle is a couple of years. The studios will be well-behaved for a while and then bestir themselves to make mischief with new features or security mechanisms. This causes much pain as the player manufacturers adapt. Then it dies down and all is quiet for a while...

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The OPPO Digital web site is now showing Refurbished BDP-103 players available!

http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp

This is the first such offering since the BDP-103 launched. OPPO's Refurbished players come with a modest discount -- basically the only time OPPO discounts their players. The normal situation for their Refurbished players is that they also come with a warranty equivalent to a new unit warranty.

At the moment, the web site SAYS precisely that, but then details it as a 1 year warranty, where in fact the new BDP-103 players come with a 2 year warranty. It looks like that is just a typo and will be corrected shortly -- this is the first time they've posted a Refurbished offer for the new players with standard 2 year warranties, so likely just a copy/paste error. (The option check boxes for the Refurbished purchase DO say a standard 2 year warranty is included in the discounted price.)

If you are interested, don't dawdle. History shows that OPPO's Refurbished players get snapped up in a twinkling.



ETA: The typo noted above regarding the warranty included with the Refurbished BDP-103 has now been fixed on the OPPO Digital web order page. The Refurbished player comes with a 2 year warranty just like the new player.
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Sounds like just buying a roku 3 is the best move then. If having one, I'd rather have it than apple TV.

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Is there any real world difference in quality between a refurb and a new unit?

Not that anyone has ever reported here -- dating back at least to the BDP-83, OPPO's first Blu-ray player. There are old codgers here who are also familiar with their prior SD-DVD players, but no issues with Refurbs were brought up for those when the first BDP-83 Refurbs became available.
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Quick question, has anyone seen any research that compares the analog sound quality of an 83SE to that of a 103? I read a post recently that claims both are very similar in sound quality.

The 83SE has dedicated stereo outs, the 103 does not. For multichannel outs, the differences are VERY slight.
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Bill, Roku has Netflix but no dedicated Netflix button. My old Samsung had it too and no dedicated button. So I'm curious about this relationship with Oppo that's so close as to require a dedicated button, but not close enough to have the app working properly.
FWIW, my Panasonic plasma has both dedicated Netflix and Vudu buttons so I guess it's not just an Opppo thing.

edit oops, I got it backwards. The Panasonic only has the Netflix button.
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I highly recommend using neither. Apple TV is far superior in picture quality, bitstream capability, and navigation. HUGE difference is the picture quality. The BDP-103, and Roku stream in lower resolution, and the Qdeo by Marvell absolutely destroys the picture—leaving the picture look ink smudges.

If one convinced one’s self they needed the horrible Qdeo processing, one could always run the apple TV through the BDP-103.

I Have Netflick accounts on all three, the OPPO-103, Roku streaming stick, Apple TV, and my wife outright refuses to deal with the 103, or the Roku. I love my Oppo, but I must admit the picture quality while streaming sucks.

I own an ATV 3 and love it. If it had Amazon instant video it'd be perfect. Since it does not, I and many others have to look for other options.
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Just bought an 103 and was wondering about connecting it to my integrated amplifier (McIntosh MA6900) so I can listen to streamed music through it.

So 103 is currently just connect to TV with HDMI, that's all. I thought maybe I could take a pair of RCA and connect the 103 through FL/FR to Video (or CD 2? CD 1 is XLR) input on my McIntosh.

Is that the ideal way?

I'm very basic with my music, just turntable and amp, has worked so far but I guess I should get with the new millennium and all.

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I highly recommend using neither. Apple TV is far superior in picture quality, bitstream capability, and navigation. HUGE difference is the picture quality.
That may be the case with the Roku stick and I have never seen the PQ of Apple TV. I have the Roku 3 and it's Super HD with Netflix and the PQ is stunning. The audio is DD+ and sounds great. I don't use the 103 for streaming anymore.

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Just curious what is everyone's opinion on runninghdmito vsx 1522 or any receiver to allow video processing then to tv or run oppo to tv. What would be better? Right now I have oppo to receiver to tv.
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That may be the case with the Roku stick and I have never seen the PQ of Apple TV. I have the Roku 3 and it's Super HD with Netflix and the PQ is stunning.

I get Netflix on my Apple TV, my Oppo 103, the Roku Streaming Stick (which claims to be a clone of Roku 3) and my Samsung TV. I never use the Samsung for this since it doesn't let me get the better audio to my speakers but the other three have excellent picture quality. I checked them yesterday to see if the Oppo upgrade affected anything and I was taken by the crispness of the Oppo and Roku. The ATV has always been good. I don't even see a little difference, never mind a huge one. I think the ATV has the weakest navigation system.

Of course, I may be deluding myself since all of this video is going through the Qdeo of my Pioneer, and the Roku and Oppo Netflix get Qdeoed twice! (Oppo and Pioneer.)

This is the first I have seen where Qdeo was accused of diminishing the picture. Is this something I have missed?

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I get Netflix on my Apple TV, my Oppo 103, the Roku Streaming Stick (which claims to be a clone of Roku 3) and my Samsung TV. I never use the Samsung for this since it doesn't let me get the better audio to my speakers but the other three have excellent picture quality. I checked them yesterday to see if the Oppo upgrade affected anything and I was taken by the crispness of the Oppo and Roku. The ATV has always been good. I don't even see a little difference, never mind a huge one. I think the ATV has the weakest navigation system.

Of course, I may be deluding myself since all of this video is going through the Qdeo of my Pioneer, and the Roku and Oppo Netflix get Qdeoed twice! (Oppo and Pioneer.)

This is the first I have seen where Qdeo was accused of diminishing the picture. Is this something I have missed?

Speaking of this.. Anyone know if the oppo and current pioneers use the same qdeo chip? I've often wondered since I have a vsx 53 and oppo 103. If so I assume I should turn one of them off.
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Just bought an 103 and was wondering about connecting it to my integrated amplifier (McIntosh MA6900) so I can listen to streamed music through it.

So 103 is currently just connect to TV with HDMI, that's all. I thought maybe I could take a pair of RCA and connect the 103 through FL/FR to Video (or CD 2? CD 1 is XLR) input on my McIntosh.

Is that the ideal way?

I'm very basic with my music, just turntable and amp, has worked so far but I guess I should get with the new millennium and all.

Cheers.

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^ If you are going to use Source Direct output for 480i content (e.g., SD-DVDs), you should definitely use HDMI 2 output for both video and HDMI audio in the current Official firmware (0422). There's a horizontal color alignment issue with that combo on HDMI 1 output. (Known bug -- OPPO Engineering is on the case.)

Alternatively, use explicit 480i or any upscaled output resolution via either output socket.
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Probably a million opinions on this, but I actually like the SD-DVD handling better on HDMI 2, by-passing the QEDO chip, which tends
to automatically apply more NR and other processing (some contrast enhancement) than I like. In some careful testing the output
on SD-DVDs on HDMI 1 vs. 2 on discs I was involved with mastering, I found HDMI 2 closer to the original look we were going for.

Per Oppo, the QEDO chip has a built in algorithm that automatically adds more processing, the further the signal gets from 1080P.
That's why some people also prefer HDMI 2 for streaming. Skin tones can look waxy or over NR'd on Netflix on HDMI 1. Just
one person's take, but some others here have noted similar things.

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Haven't tried upscaling DVDs on it yet but I'm sure the QDEO chip must do a great job at it. If not, I can always output Source Direct from the 103 and use the HQV Vida chip in my Onkyo AVR to do the upscaling + deinterlacing cool.gif

Any opinions on the QDEO chip in the 103 versus the HQV Vida chip ??


Thank you both for your reply, very informative. I've been thinking about this all day now wanting to reply to this but work, meetings.. you know how it is. I'll say first off that I hate NR and other enhancement on chips.. I just want upscalling and deinterlacing biggrin.gif

I must admit that I'm a bit confused now, which often happens when you receive proper information that you weren't aware of before.. I thought that Oppo first made their mark by providing excellent DVD upscalling to HDTVs (Oppo 83 - when DVDs where still much more prominent compared to today), and this was accomplished by the highly acclaimed ABT chip (obviously the Oppo was also known for built quality, customer support etc..the hallmarks of the company). From what I've read, Oppo had to change from the ABT chip to the QDEO chip when they added Netlfix. But now you're saying that the 'generic' Oppo chip, I'm assuming that's whats used for HDMI2, is actually better at upscaling/deinterlacing than the QDEO chip? I don't understand this, the QDEO chip is a big selling point for the Oppo player, there's even a logo on the player, lol, it's hooked up to HDMI1, so how can the Oppo chip do a better job at it, whats the point of having the QDEO chip in there then?? confused.gif

My setup for the 103 is fairly simple. I plan on using it for BDs, DVDs, and a 4TB USB hard drive with my ripped BDs (haven't ripped them yet..). So I'm currently using HDMI1 on the Oppo, goes into my Onkyo 809 AVR (set in Direct mode for the Oppo input so no processing is done there), and the AVR HDMI goes into the plasma display, that's it.

I have a couple of additional questions that hopefully you can answer which will help me tremendously with finalizing my setup for the 103 and put this matter to rest for me..

(1) Since BDs are 1080p and you don't really want any processing applied to it, why not always use Source Direct for this type of playback? If not Source Direct, than what mode? Should I use HDMI 1 or 2 for this?? confused.gif

(2) For DVDs, I understand you're saying that some prefer the PQ of HMDI2 over the QDEO on HMDI1, and that there's a bug (for 480i Source Direct output on HDMI1 I believe you were saying) anyways so it's better to use HDMI2 for this type of playback. So, depending on what your suggestion is for question #1 (whether to use HDMI 1 or 2 for BDs), maybe I should be using both HDMIs, 1 for BDs and 2 for DVDs.. or just use HDMI2 for both?? I do have available "hdmi in" ports on my AVR so if using both HDMI Out on the 103 is preferred I can do this without any issues.

Another option for DVDs would be to output Source Direct and let the HQV Vida chip in the Onkyo AVR do all the work..

As for playback of ripped BDs on the USB hard drive, I have no clue which HDMI to use for this confused.gif But I'm more concerned about BD/DVD and which settings/hdmi output to use.

Many thanks for your assistance with this !

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Speaking of this.. Anyone know if the oppo and current pioneers use the same qdeo chip? I've often wondered since I have a vsx 53 and oppo 103. If so I assume I should turn one of them off.

Regardless of if its the same chip in both, one of them should be off for sure, you don't want double processing !

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I get Netflix on my Apple TV, my Oppo 103, the Roku Streaming Stick (which claims to be a clone of Roku 3) and my Samsung TV. I never use the Samsung for this since it doesn't let me get the better audio to my speakers but the other three have excellent picture quality. I checked them yesterday to see if the Oppo upgrade affected anything and I was taken by the crispness of the Oppo and Roku. The ATV has always been good. I don't even see a little difference, never mind a huge one. I think the ATV has the weakest navigation system.

Of course, I may be deluding myself since all of this video is going through the Qdeo of my Pioneer, and the Roku and Oppo Netflix get Qdeoed twice! (Oppo and Pioneer.)

This is the first I have seen where Qdeo was accused of diminishing the picture. Is this something I have missed?

I would suggest turning processing off on everything except one of them. As mentioned in the post above, you don't want double processing ! mad.gif

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