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post #8641 of 21409 Old 05-11-2013, 10:14 AM
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Is the Oppo BDP-103EU capable of decoding FLAC? . . . .

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Since the last firmware update, main Version: BDP10X-50-0422, I can't use the Pandora app on my BDP - 103. It connects to the service with logging on, then when it tries to buffer to play music I get the message "Get Playlist Failed. Please try again later". It hasn't come right and every day I check it.... Right before this last official update with the older firmware updates Pandora streamed well for me and I was enjoying it. This problem started straight after the May 3 update. I reset to factory defaults after the firmware update and manually set up everything to how it was before, but no matter what I do Pandora won't work. Youtube is working fine and streams. I am connected wirelessly. Pandora works through my pc with the same Modem router. It is only on the Oppo BDP 103 that I have the issue.. I have tried a different Modem/Router with no success.

No problems with Pandora here.

Since other networking is working for you, it appears that somehow your account access for Pandora didn't get set up correctly after the install. The "Recommended" Reset after the Install does not de-activate your existing Internet app credentials, and there may have been something screwy about the way Pandora was set up beforehand which triggers this problem.

I suggest you jot down your settings, and then go into Setup > Device Setup > Reset Factory Defaults and do a Reset Accounts and Settings in the 103. This will discard the various account credentials so will need to re-establish your Wifi connection and also re-activate the Pandora app (and any other Internet apps you like to use).

If that doesn't fix it, the problem may be at Pandora's end. Give them a call and see if they can de-activate the OPPO from their end so you can start afresh as if it were a newly purchased player.

This is an unusual problem. I don't recall any other such reports here.
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Netflix hasn't worked since last night. It works fine on the ps3, rebooting the modem does nothing to help as it usually does. Anyone else being lied to in this manner?

Are you on the latest (0422) firmware in the OPPO? Did you do the "Recommended" Reset after the firmware install? Are other aspects of networking working for your 103? E.g., YouTube, etc.? Does Setup > Network Setup > Connection Test give a good result?

In Setup > Device Setup you can de-activate Netflix. The next time you launch it, it will ask you to log in afresh. See if that fixes the problem for you.
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Thank you Wmcclain, Blue_One and Sidetrack.
I really appreciate your advise.
My Oppo 83 is perfect I got it about 3 years ago and it works perfectly and gives me great image for both SD and HD. I have no plan to get rid of it yet. In addition it is modded to open all regions of DVDs and Blurays. So I have to stick with it.

Ok, How is the PQ of HD material is different between 83 and 103. Is there a big difference or unnoticeable?
I have two options:
1- Buy Oppo 103
2- Buy any other cheaper player dedicated for 3D.

In case there is a real big difference in PQ between 83 and 103 in HD material I would go for option 1 and get 103 for all my blurays and dedicate the 83 for my DVDs
In case the difference is subtle then I guess I just will go with option 2 and buy something cheaper and dedicate it only for 3D while my main player will remain the 83

Thank you again for helping me.

I see very small differences between the 83, 103 HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 blu-ray. However, these
are small enough that they go outside the range of what I think could be called "PQ" in any
objective sense, and just fall under personal preference. I keep defaulting back to my 83,
but that may well be an issue of just being most used to it's picture. But when I did do some
blind testing I was able to 'guess' correctly the majority of the time as to which player I was
watching, and which output on the 103. Any good blu-ray players will deliver an excellent
picture, but that doesn't mean that one might not see minor differences. e.g. some of us
see a tiny fall off in sharpness on HDMI 1 on the 103 vs. HDMI 2, which I ascribe (with no scientific
proof) to the built in NR on the QEDO (which Oppo says is so minimal on BR as to be meaningless.
Many (most?) others see no difference at all. So I may just be crazy (always a strong possibility).
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I have a question for any owners here who have used the zoom feature on the Oppo. My current Panasonic player only allows me to zoom DVDs, if you try to engage the player zoom whilst running a Blu-ray, nothing happens. This is true for every single Blu-ray I've attempted to zoom.

In the Zoom section of the Oppo manual, it has a caveat that not all Blu-ray discs can be zoomed. I have a number of Blu-rays that are incorrectly presented in open matte 1.33:1/1.37:1, and I wish to be able to crop them down to 1.66:1/1.75:1/16x9/1.85:1 etc. Will I be able to do this with the Oppo? Do *most* Blu-rays allow you to crop? Any idea why my Panasonic (BD-T110) refuses in all instances?

Also, what are the various zoom levels like on the Oppo? In the manual it just says 1.2x 1.3x 1.5x etc, do these correspond to typical aspect ratios (1.66:1/16x9 etc), or are they just random?

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I have a question for any owners here who have used the zoom feature on the Oppo. My current Panasonic player only allows me to zoom DVDs, if you try to engage the player zoom whilst running a Blu-ray, nothing happens. This is true for every single Blu-ray I've attempted to zoom.

In the Zoom section of the Oppo manual, it has a caveat that not all Blu-ray discs can be zoomed. I have a number of Blu-rays that are incorrectly presented in open matte 1.33:1/1.37:1, and I wish to be able to crop them down to 1.66:1/1.75:1/16x9/1.85:1 etc. Will I be able to do this with the Oppo? Do *most* Blu-rays allow you to crop? Any idea why my Panasonic (BD-T110) refuses in all instances?

Also, what are the various zoom levels like on the Oppo? In the manual it just says 1.2x 1.3x 1.5x etc, do these correspond to typical aspect ratios (1.66:1/16x9 etc), or are they just random?

Thanks in advance.

OPPO can zoom some BR but not all; I suspect java programming on the disc interferes. At one time it seemed that discs with the Picture-in-Picture feature were the problem ones, but I don't know if that is a rule. My test disc is SERENITY, which still does not zoom.

One of the zoom levels is Full Screen: it will zoom a 1.33 title enough to make it full width, cropping the top and bottom. That might be about what you want for the open matte titles. It's great for the old 4:3 letterboxed DVDs that remain.

I believe it also zooms 2.35 titles to full height, making them about 1.78, but I'd have to check that again.

I don't believe the other ratios are for any specific aspect ratio conversion, but they might be useful in certain circumstances.

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Thank you for the prompt response. If anyone has copies of Johnny Guitar (Olive), The Lady Killers (Lionsgate), Diabolique (Criterion), Plan 9 from Outer Space (Legend), and an Oppo 103 (long shot I know), I'd love to know if they can be zoomed.
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Thank you guys for helping me. I guess I will look for a cheaper 3D bluray instead and will not upgrade my Oppo until there is a bigger difference in PQ.

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^ Before you get all hot and bothered, you really should just try taking a look yourself and see if you dislike the video results. Also, there's more than one generation of QDEO processing out there, and the implementation around the chip varies as well, so you should also be cautious about transferring experience from one device to another.
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Oh no don't get me wrong, so far I love my Oppo ! I'm just surprised that the QDEO doesn't do much at all in terms of main tasks (upscalling and deinterlacing).

As far as the chip in the Onkyo 609 I was referring to in my post, its the Marvell Kyoto-G2H. Now according to the Oppo 103 webpage:

Qdeo by Marvell - The BDP-103 incorporates Marvell's Kyoto-G2H video processor with the latest generation Qdeo™ technology.

To me, sounds like the same chip in both components, but like I said initially, and like you said also, manufacturers implementation can be different. In the Oppo, there are absolutely no options from the QDEO chip to tweak, and even worst, you can't even turn it off - that's not true Source Direct imo and also leaves very few options (actually none) for the end user - in a component thats geared towards videophiles. .get my point ?

I remember when I first heard that Oppo was switching chips from 83 to 93, from ABT to Marvell, I thought right away that that made no sense, and that was years ago..

But all that being said, I'm still very happy with this BDP, really looked forward to ripping all my BDs on a 4TB hard drive.. biggrin.gif

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What about HQV, HQV Vida is the latest chip and still very available. Better option than QDEO imo.

I remember seeing something about having to switch from ABT to QDEO when they added Netflix (?)

Maybe HQV is not an option because of this also, I don't know.

But regardless, they could have given more (at least some, like maybe even just ONE GENERAL NR setting option of off, mild, mid and high) options to the end user for the NR and enhancement functions of the QDEO chip, that's basic stuff in video processing. At this price range for a BDP, you should expect at least that much, again imo. The QDEO in the 103 is purely plug and play, not efficient for those who know what they're doing in regard to video processing.

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What about HQV, HQV Vida is the latest chip and still very available. Better option than QDEO imo.

I remember seeing something about having to switch from ABT to QDEO when they added Netflix (?)

Maybe HQV is not an option because of this also, I don't know.

But regardless, they could have given more (at least some, like maybe even just ONE GENERAL NR setting option of off, mild, mid and high) options to the end user for the NR and enhancement functions of the QDEO chip, that's basic stuff in video processing. At this price range for a BDP, you should expect at least that much, again imo. The QDEO in the 103 is purely plug and play, not efficient for those who know what they're doing in regard to video processing.

I agree with you, and it wouldn't hurt to let Oppo know your feelings.

That said, in fairness, as Oppo pointed out to me, you can just use HDMI 2 and there is
no issue of unwanted NR or other processing. That's how my player is now set up.

Your question about HQV is interesting...
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I agree with you, and it wouldn't hurt to let Oppo know your feelings.

That said, in fairness, as Oppo pointed out to me, you can just use HDMI 2 and there is
no issue of unwanted NR or other processing. That's how my player is now set up.

Your question about HQV is interesting...

Yeah good point, wouldn't hurt to let them know, I'll contact them..

Not the end of the world but just questions that I (and looks like you and others as well I'm sure) have about video processing on the 103.

Thx for your input and analysis on this smile.gif there isn't many that properly understand video processing..

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In the Oppo, there are absolutely no options from the QDEO chip to tweak, and even worst, you can't even turn it off - that's not true Source Direct imo and also leaves very few options (actually none) for the end user - in a component thats geared towards videophiles. .get my point ?

I'm new to this thread, and I'm not yet the owner of an Oppo player. I've been reading this thread in my attempt to learn more about the latest Oppo units before making a buying decision. I'm very confused by the above statement, and I'm wondering what I'm missing. Of course I haven't read all 8698 posts in this thread.

From what I see in the BDP-103 User Manual, the Picture Adjustments for HDMI1(QDEO) include different Sharpness and Noise Reduction settings than HDMI2(MediaTek) and Color Enhancement and Contrast Enhancement adjustments that are not included on HDMI 2 at all. In the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief, the processing performed by the Qdeo is broken down into Noise Reduction, Format Conversion, Adaptive Contrast Enhancement, Intelligent Color Remapping, Natural Depth Expansion, and Bit Resolution Expansion (Qdeo True Color Processing). It therefore appears to me that there is at least some user control over all of these Qdeo functions, Format Conversion being controlled by "Resolution", Natural Depth Expansion being controlled by "Sharpness", Bit Resolution Expansion being controlled by "Deep Color". Additionally the manual specifically states for HDMI1 that sharpness enhancement and noise reduction are turned off with the respective levels set to 0.

What is the evidence that the Qdeo chip is not "turned off" or bypassed in Source Direct mode? According the user manual the QDEO IS bypassed in Source Direct mode. I had been hoping that another owner on the thread would address these issues.
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I'm new to this thread, and I'm not yet the owner of an Oppo player. I've been reading this thread in my attempt to learn more about the latest Oppo units before making a buying decision. I'm very confused by the above statement, and I'm wondering what I'm missing. Of course I haven't read all 8698 posts in this thread.

From what I see in the BDP-103 User Manual, the Picture Adjustments for HDMI1(QDEO) include different Sharpness and Noise Reduction settings than HDMI2(MediaTek) and Color Enhancement and Contrast Enhancement adjustments that are not included on HDMI 2 at all. In the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief, the processing performed by the Qdeo is broken down into Noise Reduction, Format Conversion, Adaptive Contrast Enhancement, Intelligent Color Remapping, Natural Depth Expansion, and Bit Resolution Expansion (Qdeo True Color Processing). It therefore appears to me that there is at least some user control over all of these Qdeo functions, Format Conversion being controlled by "Resolution", Natural Depth Expansion being controlled by "Sharpness", Bit Resolution Expansion being controlled by "Deep Color". Additionally the manual specifically states for HDMI1 that sharpness enhancement and noise reduction are turned off with the respective levels set to 0.

What is the evidence that the Qdeo chip is not "turned off" or bypassed in Source Direct mode? According the user manual the QDEO IS bypassed in Source Direct mode. I had been hoping that another owner on the thread would address these issues.

The user manual is a little misleading. The Qdeo is never "bypassed" on HDMI-1. Source Direct setting refers only to resolution (scaling), but the manual isn't clear about that. Scaling is being done in the Mediatek decoder chip.
And yes, all the picture settings available on HDMI-1 are done in the Qdeo processor, its just that there are default NR and contrast processes that cannot be turned off. FAR to much has been made about this by a very few posters, and the majority of users like the image produced on HDMI-1. YMMV.

As to the question of the possible use of other processors like the HQV; Oppo has an existing relationship with Marvel that makes it possible to use the Qdeo and offer a level of processing that would not be possible with another VP chip at the same price point. IOW, to use a different chip and keep the same price point, a lessor chip would have to be used than what Oppo prefers to use. The 4K scaling support was also a factor.
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I'm new to this thread, and I'm not yet the owner of an Oppo player. I've been reading this thread in my attempt to learn more about the latest Oppo units before making a buying decision. I'm very confused by the above statement, and I'm wondering what I'm missing. Of course I haven't read all 8698 posts in this thread.

From what I see in the BDP-103 User Manual, the Picture Adjustments for HDMI1(QDEO) include different Sharpness and Noise Reduction settings than HDMI2(MediaTek) and Color Enhancement and Contrast Enhancement adjustments that are not included on HDMI 2 at all. In the Qdeo Extended Technology Brief, the processing performed by the Qdeo is broken down into Noise Reduction, Format Conversion, Adaptive Contrast Enhancement, Intelligent Color Remapping, Natural Depth Expansion, and Bit Resolution Expansion (Qdeo True Color Processing). It therefore appears to me that there is at least some user control over all of these Qdeo functions, Format Conversion being controlled by "Resolution", Natural Depth Expansion being controlled by "Sharpness", Bit Resolution Expansion being controlled by "Deep Color". Additionally the manual specifically states for HDMI1 that sharpness enhancement and noise reduction are turned off with the respective levels set to 0.

What is the evidence that the Qdeo chip is not "turned off" or bypassed in Source Direct mode? According the user manual the QDEO IS bypassed in Source Direct mode. I had been hoping that another owner on the thread would address these issues.

Hi !

First off, I wouldn't worry too much about this, we're getting very very technical into the video processing. Most people would never be able to tell a difference anyways..

The 103 is a great Blu-ray player ,no doubt about that, the proof is out there.

The issues we were discussing that you referenced above have to do with source direct through HDMI 1, someone here contacted Oppo and was told that even in Source Direct, 1080p output (not Oppo set to 1080p but the content being outputted through Source Direct is native 1080p) there is still a small amount of Noise Reduction being applied. For someone who wants to do all their processing externally that's really not good that the source direct output already has NR applied to it, makes no sense at all, that is far from being true source direct, its actually misleading. And if you're saying that the manual says the QDEO is disabled in Source Direct HDMI 1, well that's not what Oppo told someone on here (others have confirmed this as well).

Supposedly you can bypass all of this by using HDMI 2, but according to the incorrect information above, who knows really whats going on. I'm a bit surprised that others haven't picked up on this and raised it more.

Maybe its because many are not really into video processing are satisfied with the way it currently looks, to each their own, I'd prefer to know exactly how it works. I would expect that much from an Oppo and given the price point. Thoughts ?

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Anyone know if the latest firmware is compatible with this region free mod kit:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OPPO-BDP-103-BDP-105-2-Min-Install-Zone-Region-Free-Hardware-Chip-Kit-DIY-ABC-/221182250197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337f7d4cd5
? I can't seem to find a "name" for it, but it's the one I have installed inside the 103 myself.
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The user manual is a little misleading. The Qdeo is never "bypassed" on HDMI-1. Source Direct setting refers only to resolution (scaling), but the manual isn't clear about that. Scaling is being done in the Mediatek decoder chip.

"For HDMI 1 OUT, the dedicated QDEO video processor will be used unless Source Direct is selected, in which case QDEO is bypassed." BDP-103 User Manual English v1.6, page 53.

If that is the case, I'd call that more than "a little misleading." I also don't think I'm following you correctly about the scaling being done in the Mediatek decoder. Are you saying that all scaling, regardless of any settings or output is performed by the Mediatek decoder, and the Qdeo is never used for scaling? Or are you saying that the Mediatek handles scaling when "Source Direct" is selected for HDMI 1? (Which doesn't make any sense to me, because there shouldn't be ANY scaling performed in Source Direct mode.)

Edit: Disregard the questions. I understand now that all the scaling is done by the Mediatek. I found some other posts in this forum and another that mention that.
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"For HDMI 1 OUT, the dedicated QDEO video processor will be used unless Source Direct is selected, in which case QDEO is bypassed." BDP-103 User Manual English v1.6, page 53.

If that is the case, I'd call that more than "a little misleading." I also don't think I'm following you correctly about the scaling being done in the Mediatek decoder. Are you saying that all scaling, regardless of any settings or output is performed by the Mediatek decoder, and the Qdeo is never used for scaling? Or are you saying that the Mediatek handles scaling when "Source Direct" is selected for HDMI 1? (Which doesn't make any sense to me, because there shouldn't be ANY scaling performed in Source Direct mode.)

IF there is scaling to be performed (e.g. 480i DVD), its accomplished by the Mediatek chip, regardless of if you're using HDMI 1 or 2. AFAIK, all upconverting and deinterlacing is accomplished by the Mediatek chip, again regardless of using HDMI 1 or 2.

So if the QDEO chip does NO upconverting/deinterlacing (to 1080p), then what's the point of having that chip really?? For noise reduction and edge enhancements, really ?? confused.gif

Someone just said above that Oppo is 'in' with Marvell, is that why they used this 'inferior' chip that automatically applies processing in ALL modes, while at the same not doing ANY of the hard work.. While also not allowing the user to simply SHUT IT OFF, very weak imo.

Again.. I'm very happy with the 103 and you can't dispute the independent test results out there - Oppo always passes everything.

BUT, imo a better more efficient chip would have been warranted for this component. Really, when you think about it, going from the ABT chip to the QDEO is a BIG step DOWN, while other options (HQV for example) are available and provide MANY options to the end users, including shutting options off individually or shutting the whole thing down, basic features for a good video processing chip.

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The user manual is a little misleading. The Qdeo is never "bypassed" on HDMI-1. Source Direct setting refers only to resolution (scaling), but the manual isn't clear about that. Scaling is being done in the Mediatek decoder chip.
And yes, all the picture settings available on HDMI-1 are done in the Qdeo processor, its just that there are default NR and contrast processes that cannot be turned off. FAR to much has been made about this by a very few posters, and the majority of users like the image produced on HDMI-1. YMMV.

As to the question of the possible use of other processors like the HQV; Oppo has an existing relationship with Marvel that makes it possible to use the Qdeo and offer a level of processing that would not be possible with another VP chip at the same price point. IOW, to use a different chip and keep the same price point, a lessor chip would have to be used than what Oppo prefers to use. The 4K scaling support was also a factor.

I don't see how the HQV chip could add that much cost.. and they already charge $500 for the 103 !

As an example, you can get an Onkyo 809 right now on Amazon for $650 ! That's full, mid grade, AVR, all those components for the amp, licences (same as oppo) for all those DD, DTS etc. TEN HDMI (8 IN and 2 OUT), a wack load of video/audio connection options... and HQV chip with full user options available AND , I repeat AND, the SAME QDEO chip that's in the Oppo (look up model # of chip, same thing.. The Onkyo uses the HQV Vida for up to 1080p and the QDEO for 4k, BOTH chips are in there), AND licence for technology like Audyssey XT, I could go on.. $650 for all of that, $500 for the Oppo, wow, cmon man

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There is another thread for suggestions on how OPPO should configure their next player:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1365649/what-features-would-you-like-in-your-next-oppo-br-e-g-oppo-bdp-113-and-bdp-115

As for this player, I suggest once again that you see for yourself.


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Will do for sure, thx Bob.

EDIT: But I wanted to add that the majority of the above discussion is focused on the video processing performed by the chip in the current Oppo player, the 103, and the misinformation found in the Oppo 103 manual regarding the function of the QDEO chip on HDMI 1. Those are legitimate queries regarding the current Oppo 103 that I recently purchased.

The thread is quiet today anyways tongue.gif
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Hi !

First off, I wouldn't worry too much about this, we're getting very very technical into the video processing. Most people would never be able to tell a difference anyways..

The 103 is a great Blu-ray player ,no doubt about that, the proof is out there.

The issues we were discussing that you referenced above have to do with source direct through HDMI 1, someone here contacted Oppo and was told that even in Source Direct, 1080p output (not Oppo set to 1080p but the content being outputted through Source Direct is native 1080p) there is still a small amount of Noise Reduction being applied. For someone who wants to do all their processing externally that's really not good that the source direct output already has NR applied to it, makes no sense at all, that is far from being true source direct, its actually misleading. And if you're saying that the manual says the QDEO is disabled in Source Direct HDMI 1, well that's not what Oppo told someone on here (others have confirmed this as well).

Supposedly you can bypass all of this by using HDMI 2, but according to the incorrect information above, who knows really whats going on. I'm a bit surprised that others haven't picked up on this and raised it more.

Maybe its because many are not really into video processing are satisfied with the way it currently looks, to each their own, I'd prefer to know exactly how it works. I would expect that much from an Oppo and given the price point. Thoughts ?

Just FYI in confirming the NR in source direct (with HDMI 1)

When I asked OPPO in an email whether NR was still on in HDMI 1 in source direct, this was their reply:

"Source Direct does not bypass the NR being applied since this is a default value that we have enabled in the player."
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Anyone know if the latest firmware is compatible with this region free mod kit:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OPPO-BDP-103-BDP-105-2-Min-Install-Zone-Region-Free-Hardware-Chip-Kit-DIY-ABC-/221182250197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337f7d4cd5
? I can't seem to find a "name" for it, but it's the one I have installed inside the 103 myself.

Well... The eBay ad shows a photo of the chip, installed. It also lists all of the chip's programming instructions for changing regions... which are exactly the same instructions as mine.

I got my 103 new from Bombay Electronics in mid-January, with the all-region mod already installed, by them. I haven't opened up my 103 to see what the chip looks like (nor am I going to), but since there seem to be only a very few varieties of these chips around, I'd be willing to bet that since the programming is the same on yours and mine... the chips are, too.

And as I pointed out yesterday in post #8656, the all-region functionality on my 103 was completely unaffected by the new firmware upgrade.

Obviously, it's up to you... but I'd go for it.

You could also try asking the seller (via the eBay "ask" function) if they have had any compatibility problems (or gotten any reports of problems) with the new firmware and their chip.
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I thought ABT's IP including their Video Reference Series (VRS) algorithms used in the Oppo 83 (ABT2010) was acquired by Silicon Image(SI) and it appears SI continue to offer this technology in video processing chips.

http://www.siliconimage.com/technologies/vrs_clearview/
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I thought ABT's IP including their Video Reference Series (VRS) algorithms used in the Oppo 83 (ABT2010) was acquired by Silicon Image(SI) and it appears SI continue to offer this technology in video processing chips.

http://www.siliconimage.com/technologies/vrs_clearview/

That's the one cool.gif good find !

I remember hearing way back when that Oppo could no longer use the ABT chip when they (oppo) implemented Netflix.. now I'm not sure what the relationship between the two is, but I remember hearing that.. hasn't been confirmed by anyone here recently but I'm sure someone knows why they stopped using ABT for what many consider an inferior chip. Regress instead of progress in this case.

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So if the QDEO chip does NO upconverting/deinterlacing (to 1080p), then what's the point of having that chip really?? For noise reduction and edge enhancements, really ?? confused.gif

One of the new features introduced on the 10x platform is offering "AVR like" external HDMI input. Perhaps the CPU SoC in the new version of QDEO chip implemented in the 10x plays a key role with regard to this feature in addition to providing spec bragging rights to 4K scaling.
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That's the one cool.gif good find !

I remember hearing way back when that Oppo could no longer use the ABT chip when they (oppo) implemented Netflix.. now I'm not sure what the relationship between the two is, but I remember hearing that.. hasn't been confirmed by anyone here recently but I'm sure someone knows why they stopped using ABT for what many consider an inferior chip. Regress instead of progress in this case.

I assume Netflix etc is handled by the MediaTek SoC and output at some standard video format. Marvell appears to position their QDEO product as one that meets the need of a wide quality range of content and perhaps if offers enhancement processing more suited to relatively poor source i.e. heavily compressed, lower bit rate etc. Perhaps the future of VRS following SI's acquisition was also unclear in the development timescale of the 83's successor.
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I'm sure someone knows why they stopped using ABT for what many consider an inferior chip.

We used to talk about this all the time, but that was before you arrived and developed such an intense interest.

QDEO was brought in for the benefit of the lower quality network streaming options that started appearing in the BDP-93. It was thought that that people would want sharpening and noise reduction controls that ABT did not have. QDEO is strong in that regard. Whether people are actually using those controls, I do not know.

For a disc-only player, ABT was certainly good enough (or better for DVD, it's possible). In fact, OPPO used to make Mediatek-only players without an extra video processor chip and they were also fine machines. But that was in the disc-only era.

It's rare to hear someone call QDEO an inferior solution. All products have their pluses and minuses and there is no perfect choice, but QDEO is well respected.

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