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Yep !

LC-1 is all you need, mint cable cool.gif

I have the LC-1 for one of my two subwoofers, never had a problem with my bass that's for sure, just ask my next door neighbour wink.gif

Good to know!!! Is thats the best one they sell?
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If you press and hold SETUP you'll get the Picture Adjustment screen, but you have to go through HDMI1 vs 2 first, and then manually select the mode.

There might be a way with a programmable remote. OPPO's remote code spread sheet (http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP103/BDP-103_BDP-105_Remote_Code_v1.1.xls) has this on the Notes tab:
Learning "Picture Adj." on the new remote may be difficult, since it is a press and hold command on the OPPO remote; do learning remotes handle that? It would be different if you could enter the hex values directly.

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FYI, not sure what the deal is with the Oppo not being able to play back up Blu Rays after the update, mine has no problems so far...

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Nice to hear. It would be fun to see what differences there are when the Oppo outputs 1080p and the display does the upscaling. To see if there are any differences in the quality of the upscaling.

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Its unlikely that one could see any meaningful differences in 4K scaling performance, even on a screen much larger than 84". Its far more likely that you could see differences in general video processing, which would result from one or the other processor having to perform scaling along with all the other VP tasks its being required to do. Differences in color space scaling and conversion, for example, might be easier to see. IOW there are more variables at play than simple scaling tasks.
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FYI, not sure what the deal is with the Oppo not being able to play back up Blu Rays after the update, mine has no problems so far...

Main title only in AVCHD? Yes, that still works. Or did when I last checked. Presuming this is all going away in the future, I've stopped relying at that feature.

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Not 100% sure, I didn't make them myself, had a friend do it. It's the movie only, no menues.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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I was really surprised to SEE that HDMI 1 (with default QDEO processing settings) was most precise in terms of color accuracy and sharpness (or frequency response). HDMI 2 showed slightly more color saturation at the highest frequencies and was not as sharp(frequency response has a roll off towards the high end, both vertically and horizontally).

This refutes the claims we've had here on the forum that HDMI2 output of the Oppo which uses the Mediatek SOC is the most precise/natural looking video output. The S&M pattern tests simply prove otherwise.

I hesitate to speak for others, but I think the main issue with HDMI 1 is how it upconverts standard def material, ie: how it seems to add more and more noise reduction as the content quality lessens. I would have been very interested to see how the chips performed with an old calibration DVD instead of a Blu-Ray.

For my part, I've always preferred the QDEO for high definition material. I've just been frustrated with how it upscales standard def streams and disc content as I do not like sacrificing detail for noise reduction. This is where HDMI 2 performs a little better. Though neither are up to OPPO's usual standard in this regard IMO.

Sidetracked has always communicated my feelings on this better than I've been able to.

Still, it was great to read your post. It's always cool to hear what people who really know what their doing think about these things. And their reaction to the Darblet was interesting and quite funny.

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Nice to hear. It would be fun to see what differences there are when the Oppo outputs 1080p and the display does the upscaling. To see if there are any differences in the quality of the upscaling.

Further (just my curiosity talking, not requesting anything), if you took a 1080i or 720p signal in through the HDMI inputs from a cable or satellite box and had the upscaling done at the 103 or by the screen. Lots of possibilities.

Thanks for the response, it's something I'll probably do down the line.

I can't really see any difference between the Oppo doing the up scaling and the LG 4k doing the up scaling with my eyes. I guess you might be able to tell the difference if you A/B them. Either way it looks rich and detailed on a good blu-ray.
I am watching Directv through my AVR which goes to the set and the LG is up scaling that as well but it only looks good from a good source. I guess the good news is the Oppo 103 does as good at up scaling 4K as the Ultra HD LG set at least that is what I am seeing.
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I just had my Pioneer Kuro Elite Plasma calibrated tonight by Dave Abrams of AVCal. My system has a Darbee at the output of my Anthem D2v with the Oppo 105 as the source device.

After the calibration, we plugged in the latest Spears & Munsil video test disk(from Oppo/Amazon) for I wanted to know two things:

1. Which hdmi output of the Oppo is more accurate?

2. What is the effect of the Darbee as seen by the S&M disk.


I was really surprised to SEE that HDMI 1 (with default QDEO processing settings) was most precise in terms of color accuracy and sharpness (or frequency response). HDMI 2 showed slightly more color saturation at the highest frequencies and was not as sharp(frequency response has a roll off towards the high end, both vertically and horizontally).

This refutes the claims we've had here on the forum that HDMI2 output of the Oppo which uses the Mediatek SOC is the most precise/natural looking video output. The S&M pattern tests simply prove otherwise.

All the above tests were done in RGB color space from the Oppo ->Anthem D2v->Kuro plasma.

Thanks for posting this. I've been one of the people claiming that, at least on actual film material, on SD-DVDs the Mediatek is notably better,
I still maintain that's the case, based on careful looking at films I mastered, but I had also argued that, to my eye, by a much tinier margin it looked better
on blu-rays as well.

Very interesting that your tests showed otherwise.

I know the QEDO was doing some strange things on my own SD-DVD films, but it could well be better for blu-ray, even though it didn't instinctively
look that way to my eye (only 1 film I've made is on blu-ray, so there was less material to eyeball, and the differences were far more subtle). I guess
I'll have to spend some more time A/Bing:rolleyes:

But this kind of report is what is great about these forums, so thank you. smile.gif
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there often is. Real world display devices have all sorts of quirks, and display calibration is frequently the art of compromise.

The color space definition is defined for compatibility, but whether that translates into one calibration fits both for any given display I think is going to be a much tougher nut to crack. For example, does a display really produce linear response into the extended gamut range? Are compromises needed for best xvYCC results that screw up REC 709 limited content?

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. For a start, we'll need some xvYCC encoded calibration discs.
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I agree for the most part about the art of compromise. However I doubt any source material (signal generator, Blu-ray disc, etc.) that will offer calibration references beyond the current 709 gamut for xvYCC will be available anytime soon, if ever. Sony has been incorporating xvYCC into consumer TVs and cameras for about 6 years already.

Does current calibration for 709 color space measure linear color saturation response between D65 gray and primaries and secondaries? To the best of my knowledge accuracy is measured only at full gray and fully saturated green, blue, red, cyan, yellow, and magenta. So what you get between gray and a full primary or secondary is what you get and it is assumed that the rest of the 709 color gamut will be accurate and linear if each reference point is accurate (gray and the fully saturated primaries and secondaries). At least I haven't seen any test material that uses any other references (partially saturated colors) for the color gamut. Using those same 709 reference points for xvYCC will no more guarantee accuracy of the xvYCC gamut outside the 709 range, than they currently guarantee accuracy within the 709 range. Using the 709 reference points for calibrating xvYCC colorspace will probably be just part of the art of compromise.

Actually I do think this will be a lot simpler than the switch between BT.601 on DVD and BT.709 on Blu-ray. Those are using the same encoding to represent two different color spaces. How many displays once calibrated for BT.709 are actually accurate at representing BT.601? How many Blu-ray players accurately convert the colorspace when playing a DVD? Is 480i NTSC material on Blu-ray discs actually is encoded for 601 or 709 colorspace? I see this as considerably more problematic than xvYCC.

Do you think there is any chance of Oppo incorporating xvYCC capability through a firmware update?

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re. blu-ray region mods:

a few weeks ago i bought a BDP-103 from 220-electronics;
in the box was included a sheet giving the necessary instructions to change regions to either A or B or C.

most of my blu-ray discs are region A or All Region, and they all play well, but today i received in the mail a region B movie: The Pianist/StudioCanal Collection sold in the UK.

i put it in my player, which is supposedly set to Region A and, without changing to Region B, it played ok.
it seems that the mod from that company does not need changing region, it's done automatically.

I have the UK StudioCanal version of The Pianist and it will not play in my Oppo 103 with the JVB Digital mod if the region is set to A.

I'm a layman as far as video technology is concerned, but I doubt very much that there is any commercially available mod which is capable of reading the region coding of a specific disc and automatically adjusting to the same. If this assumption is correct, your experience is inexplicable (to me).


The Pianist, as i said earlier, is Region B;

i tried it on a BDP-83 that is Region A only, and had a notice on the screen saying something to the effect that Region B can't be played on the machine.

 

It does seem like it's auto changing or, more probably, the mod makes it an "all region"  Blu-ray player.

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They said the Darbee was the best and least intrusive video enhancement device they've ever seen and wouldn't mind having one in their system ... only if their ultra-purist pride would allow them to(which sadly, it wouldn't).

All the above tests were done in RGB color space from the Oppo ->Anthem D2v->Kuro plasma.

Thanks for the report, very informative and pretty much echoes my findings.
Two quick questions.
Did you use direct (passthrough) mode on the D2v?
I assume you are using RGB because of the Kuro.
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Good to know!!! Is thats the best one they sell?

LC-1 is the one I got. You have to measure how long of a cable you need and they will build it for you. You can add as many cables as you need for your application. I got 5 cables in mine with Techflex around them for my 5.1 application. Looks GREAT and performs GREAT as well!

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I'm baffled. The 103 is no longer showing my servers so I can't connect via SMB at all now. I have no network issues as I can connect to internet services and my DLNA servers are listed and no issues using them. But my servers no longer show up on the list like they did last weekend.

I think I've tried everything I can think of like rebooting my servers, rebooting my router, rebooting my 103 (connection is wired). Two servers are Windows 7 and one is Windows 8. Nothing has changed configuration and architecture wise.

I called Oppo and all they were able to recommend was to reset to factory defaults which I did and also erased persistent storage and turned off Gracenote and still no go. Chris at Oppo said their Windows 7 server is up to date with Windows Update updates which is what I applied over the weekend. If something from Windows Update mucked things up on ALL the PCs I would think others would be experiencing this issue as well as Oppo.

I have no issues communicating on the network itself computer-to-computer, my Roku (external XD device) has no issues, my HTPC has no issues using SMB via XBMC so I'm completely baffled as to why all of a sudden the thing won't display my servers. I'm out of ideas on what to do so I'd appreciate some input on some things I may have missed. Has anyone else run into this?

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I'm baffled. The 103 is no longer showing my servers so I can't connect via SMB at all now. I have no network issues as I can connect to internet services and my DLNA servers are listed and no issues using them. But my servers no longer show up on the list like they did last weekend.

I think I've tried everything I can think of like rebooting my servers, rebooting my router, rebooting my 103 (connection is wired). Two servers are Windows 7 and one is Windows 8. Nothing has changed configuration and architecture wise.

I called Oppo and all they were able to recommend was to reset to factory defaults which I did and also erased persistent storage and turned off Gracenote and still no go. Chris at Oppo said their Windows 7 server is up to date with Windows Update updates which is what I applied over the weekend. If something from Windows Update mucked things up on ALL the PCs I would think others would be experiencing this issue as well as Oppo.

I have no issues communicating on the network itself computer-to-computer, my Roku (external XD device) has no issues, my HTPC has no issues using SMB via XBMC so I'm completely baffled as to why all of a sudden the thing won't display my servers. I'm out of ideas on what to do so I'd appreciate some input on some things I may have missed. Has anyone else run into this?

Win-7 Pro 64 here, fully updated and no issues using SMB. AFAIK, nobody has gotten Win-8 to work yet.
I take it you have no other devices on the network functioning as file serving clients? I'd be curious to know if the shares are working for any other devices.
Also be aware that share discovery can take a little while, so leave it on the network screen for a minute or 2 before giving up.
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^ Alex, make sure you don't also have the HDMI 2 output cabled. If both HDMI 1 and 2 are live with Split A/V set, then audio is muted on HDMI 1.

If you are using Quick Start, try changing that to Energy Efficient and doing another power cycle. Energy Efficient shuts off more of the player.

Try something simple in the player like a standard definition DVD with a stereo audio track. While it is playing (still no sound?) press Info on the OPPO remote to display the type of audio track coming in off the disc (lower left). Then press Page Up or Page Down to view what the OPPO is putting out as output on the HDMI connections. Next check whatever status displays you have on your Samsung to see what type of audio it is receiving.

And just to eliminate the obvious, check the Mute and Volume +/- buttons on the remote to make sure you haven't accidentally muted the audio output of the OPPO. Volume 0 is implemented as Mute. (Volume normally has no effect on the HDMI audio output except that Volume 0 = Mute, and Mute also Mutes the digital audio.)
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I checked the remotes, the "mute" was not selected, and the volume is at 100.

I will try the "Energy Efficient" setting to see if that makes a difference.

Then, I'll try your suggestions and play a DVD to find out what the readings are when pressing the "info" button on the remote, as well as the Page Up/Page Down.

Thanks for your suggestions, I'll tell you what happens.

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Oppo's notes with the current firmware shows no changes made to hdmi but sharpness on hdmi 1 seems not a big of a jump after the latest firmware or is is just a placebo effect.
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The Pianist, as i said earlier, is Region B;
i tried it on a BDP-83 that is Region A only, and had a notice on the screen saying something to the effect that Region B can't be played on the machine.

It does seem like it's auto changing or, more probably, the mod makes it an "all region"  Blu-ray player.

Interesting... As far as I can see, there are only two possible explanations:

a) The mod from 220-electronics does in fact change regions automatically - but then why do they provide instructions how to change regions? If the mod actually changes regions without the need for human intervention, then you have found the blu-ray equivalent of the philosopher's stone.

b) Your player is set to Region B, and all supposedly Region A discs you have played are - despite their labelling - in fact all-region discs and as a result have led you to assume the player is set to Region A.

Presumably, there are other forum members who have the 220-electronics mod - can any of you shed light on this issue?

Incidentally, as far as I know there is no all-region equivalent for blu-rays such as Region 0 for DVD´s.
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They said the Darbee was the best and least intrusive video enhancement device they've ever seen and wouldn't mind having one in their system ... only if their ultra-purist pride would allow them to(which sadly, it wouldn't).

All the above tests were done in RGB color space from the Oppo ->Anthem D2v->Kuro plasma.

Thanks for the report, very informative and pretty much echoes my findings.
Two quick questions.
Did you use direct (passthrough) mode on the D2v?
I assume you are using RGB because of the Kuro.
Thanks.

 

1. Since i don't have a 3D board, I ensured the Anthem did no processing of its own. It was done in the Oppo so yes, it was passed through unprocessed and simply set it to output the RGB color space and match the input and output resolutions to the Kuro.

 

2. Yes, the Kuro seems more accurate in RGB mode.


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PROBLEM with 24p processing?

 

The Oppo is FAILING the 24p judder tests on this new S&M disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammocksmile.gif tests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

 

I've set the Oppo to always output 24p video if it detects it.

 

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?

 

PS

The plasma simply takes a 24Hz signal and converts it to 72Hz (simply repeating the same frame 3 times) so no real processing is done internally.

 

The xXx test is really mis-named to say the least...

 

"Sarah on a Hammock" repetitive clip is really calming and addictive!!! ...at least to this almost 50yr old single malebiggrin.gif. If only I could make a live wallpaper from it.


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Oppo's notes with the current firmware shows no changes made to hdmi but sharpness on hdmi 1 seems not a big of a jump after the latest firmware or is is just a placebo effect.

I didn't notice a reduction. Still have my vp sharpness enhancements set to 2 to 3x what I use for HDMI 2 Source direct and the images and sharpness test pattern results seem to be equal. The did fix the 422 color space problem on HDMI 2 however.
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PROBLEM with 24p processing?

The Oppo is FAILING the 24p judder tests on this new S&M disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammock:) tests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

I've set the Oppo to always output 24p video if it detects it.

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?

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The plasma simply takes a 24Hz signal and converts it to 72Hz (simply repeating the same frame 3 times) so no real processing is done internally.

The xXx test is really mis-named to say the least...

"Sarah on a Hammock" repetitive clip is really calming and addictive!!! ...at least to this almost 50yr old single male:D . If only I could make a live wallpaper from it.

It may be your Kuro's ability to handle motion. My Sharp Elite demonstrates problems with film motion enhancement set to low but improves greatly on all the tests you mention if I switch that to high. High however causes SOE at a level I can't stand so reverted to low.
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I think its the display failing. If the Oppo is outputting 1080p/24, the test is what the display is doing (accepting 24hz and changing it to 72hz or 96hz). If playing the 24p test pattern with the Oppo set to 1080p/60, then you are testing the 103's ability with 24p (taking the 24hz signal and outputting it at 60hz).

My VT50 is beat in both 24hz modes by the Oppo set to 1080p/60.

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PROBLEM with 24p processing?

The Oppo is FAILING the 24p judder tests on this new S&M disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammock:) tests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

I've set the Oppo to always output 24p video if it detects it.

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?

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The plasma simply takes a 24Hz signal and converts it to 72Hz (simply repeating the same frame 3 times) so no real processing is done internally.

The xXx test is really mis-named to say the least...

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It may be your Kuro's ability to handle motion. My Sharp Elite demonstrates problems with film motion enhancement set to low but improves greatly on all the tests you mention if I switch that to high. High however causes SOE at a level I can't stand so reverted to low.

 

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I think its the display failing. If the Oppo is outputting 1080p/24, the test is what the display is doing. If playing the 24p test pattern with the Oppo set to 1080p/60, then you are testing the 103's ability with 24p.

My VT50 is beat in both 24hz modes by the Oppo set to 1080p/60.

 

That's what Oppo says BUT If I set the Oppo to output 1080p/60 (with 24p set to off), the judder still remains! Who is the culprit then in this case. Remember,

 

I have a direct connection from the Oppo to my plasma television for this test. With the Kuro being the reference for years, I can't believe it can't play 24p or 60p signals correctly.

 

Gadgetfreek... you said my display might be failing? Not good at all. Anyway to prove this out some more?


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Let me pull out the disc and see what happens on my VT50 in 60hz and 96hz modes.

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None of mine are "smooth", but the Oppo set to 1080p/60 (performing 2:3) looks better than the VT50 set to 60hz, or even 96hz mode with the Oppo on 1080p/24.

Here is one thing I am not sure of, once you have the Oppo sending out 1080p/60, there is going to be some judder so can you actually use this pattern to test the players 24p? To me, you output 24p to the display with the pattern and see how it handles itself in certain modes. When the Oppo is sending out 1080p/24, there is nothing going on in the player, its the display taking 24p and converting to 60hz, 72hz, 96hz, 120hz, etc...

Im not sure setting the player to 1080p/60 is testing anything, because there will inherently be judder at that point. I also like the wedge test which is under the 24p section (luma/chroma) because you can see how certain models handles the lines as the wedge moves around. Artifacting on the edges of the lines or weird bouncing is something you will see if the display has issues.

Ive always used the wedge pattern on version 1 to determine if I should send 24p from the source to the display, or 60hz from the source. Maybe someone else has a better idea. Im just not certain that seeing judder at 1080p/60 from the Oppo on a 24p test patterns means there is an issue, because once again, 2:3 is going to induce some issues.

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I went ahead and asked in the Spears and Munsil thread, if anyone can answer those guys can smile.gif

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Also be aware that share discovery can take a little while, so leave it on the network screen for a minute or 2 before giving up.
I'm using Win7 Ultimate 64bit on the two Windows 7 PCs and the Windows 8 notebook is not relevant because I don't use it for anything DLNA or SMB. ALL my computers would show up in the network list but now they don't show up at all. That never took more than a minute either. I waited over 10 minutes over lunch and nothing. Something funky's going on but I have no clue what as I've restarted and reset everything I can think of in the entire architecture.

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PROBLEM with 24p processing?

The Oppo is FAILING the 24p judder tests on this new S&M disk(I'm using the HD version of the disk). These tests are in the Video Processing -> 24p and Video Processing -> Motion -> Stock Ticker or xXx Parade or Sarah on a Hammock:) tests. The images are supposed to be smooth but they shake as though some internal 2:3 to 60Hz is happening.

I've set the Oppo to always output 24p video if it detects it.

I have a direct connection from Oppo HDMI_1 to the Plasma bypassing my AVR and Darbee. The same judder is seen using HDMI_2 as well. Anyone duplicate this problem?

I just ran these tests on mine. At 24p I'm seeing normal 24 fps.. judder, or whatever you want to call it. It is a very even judder at 24 times a second. It is especially noticeable on the bottom line of the stock ticker. It is a little less noticeable on the 30p test (even judder at 30 times a second), and at 60i the "judder" is almost gone.

I have to wonder if what you are describing is just the normal effect of fast movement at 24fps. 24fps cannot do razor sharp smooth motion at the movement speed represented in these tests. If you look at these patterns in still frame, you'll notice there is no motion blur in each of the frames, so it will certainly have a choppy appearance at regular speed. If your video display has motion smoothing (frame interpolation) it may make this look smoother by creating additional interpolated frames to artificially increase the frame rate to 48fps or higher.

If you read the S&M descriptions for these patterns, I don't believe they are offered as a "pass or fail" test. However if you are experiencing uneven movement where the movement is jerky, or tugging... looking like the movement starts and stops, or speeds up and slows down rapidly, then you may have an issue, but as long as the flashing "judder" is continuous at the frequency of the frame rate, you're probably just seeing the normal effect of fast moving images at 24 fps with no motion blur. At least that is my opinion. Judder really is not the right name for the even frame to frame transition at a low frame rate, but I don't know that there is a term for that effect. I wish I knew a bit better terminology to explain the difference between the jerky, tugging, uneven movement, and the even but choppy effect of a slow frame rate.

Try hitting pause while viewing the 24p test pattern, then the 'FWD' button to start slow motion. At 1/16 you'll see how far the text moves between each frame. This movement between frames is what keeps the movement from looking as smooth as the movement at 30p or 60i. Each time you hit the 'FWD' button you'll speed up, and when you get to 1/2, you'll be running at 12 fps. The next push on the "FWD" button will take you to normal play at 24 fps.
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I agree with what you are seeing. 24p is only so smooth unless you have some of motion smoothing going on.

While watching a Bluray at 1080p/60 out, motion looks great.

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