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I'm a little late to the new-beta show. But I just read through all of the posts since Neuromancer informed us of its availability. And my question wasn't answered.

Does the new beta fix Netflix's hangup issues? Or are they still there? (I saw that one lister had problems. But it might have been that he didn't "Restore Factory Defaults". I always do that for new Oppo firmware since it was drummed into us during the BDP83 days.)

So, if I install the new Beta and Restore Factory Defaults, will Netflix behave from now on?

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I was still getting lockups after the beta, and I did do a factory reset, as I always have. However, as I posted yesterday, I found that I am only experiencing it with HDMI 1, but not HDMI 2. These are lockups going from one TV episode to the next, whether letting it auto play, choosing Next, or going back to the Netflix menu and selecting another movie/TV episode. Only 1 episode will play with HDMI 1 for me, and no problems with HDMI 2.
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^ It looks to me like the issues DURING stream playback are fixed in the Public Beta.

But there's still a chance for failure upon exiting a stream or upon exiting the app. Presumably OPPO is still working on those.
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That's what I am experiencing. Lockups AFTER the show has played and exiting. I have faith in OPPO that they will get this figured out.
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do you guys think oppo developers will do a firmware update where oppo 103 will see all local drives as 1 big drive with movies locked in instead of folders?
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do you guys think oppo developers will do a firmware update where oppo 103 will see all local drives as 1 big drive with movies locked in instead of folders?

I don't think I've seen that requested before, but send them your idea so they know someone wants it.

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Hi folks.yesterday i receive my oppo 103 to play my blu rays on a samsung 60f8500..im not an expert with either ones so if you have some advise i will apreciate them.like where i should set the oppo ....example (rgb/4:4:4/) deep color,etc etc thanks for the help.
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Hi folks.yesterday i receive my oppo 103 to play my blu rays on a samsung 60f8500..im not an expert with either ones so if you have some advise i will apreciate them.like where i should set the oppo ....example (rgb/4:4:4/) deep color,etc etc thanks for the help.

Keep deep color OFF
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I've read several posts that state that Dolby TrueHD playback is possible via MKV however it does not seem to work in my case with the 103 and a Denon AVR-3311CI, the denon displays Dolby Digital but there's no audio. If I press the audio button on the 103s remote I see the audio track described as English MLP. DTS Master plays fine btw. The Denon supports truehd and it does lock on if the actual bluray is played but it fails with an mkv of the same title. I create my MKVs using makemkv and I use PLEX as my DLNA server on a MacBook.

I'm very happy with the 103. One thing I hate are annoying LEDs that remain on when you power off the equipment. If you're thinking about those annoying green LEDs on network jacks you know what I mean. I was pleasantly surprised when I powered off the 103 and those pesky lights when to sleep as well.biggrin.gif
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Hi,
It is possible to play with OPPO large m2ts files or mkv (30-40G) with support for eastern European subtitles and diacritics?
All to be played from an external 2-3 TB hard disk drive.

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Hi,
It is possible to play with OPPO large m2ts files or mkv (30-40G) with support for eastern European subtitles and diacritics?
All to be played from an external 2-3 TB hard disk drive.

Regards

You are speaking of text-based subtitles like SRT, correct?

When embedded into MKV by mkvmerge, text subtitle tracks are converted to UTF8 and Eastern European character sets are supported by the OPPO. Also, in my testing, I see Cyrillic, Hebrew, and some Japanese. You may have to indicate the input encoding to mkvmerge.

(Is UTF8 required for embedded text subtitles in MKV? I'm not sure, but mkvmerge always produces that encoding).

In the past, external subtitle files were required to be the extended ascii oriented to Western Europe, with no other options.

Although it has not been mentioned in the release notes, in my testing of recent firmware, UTF8 encoded external text subtitle files have started working. So far, the files must have a Byte Order Mark. This is not required by UTF8 but seems to be standard in the Microsoft world.

I have not tested external subtitles with M2TS, but it has been reported here that they work. We would have to confirm the undocumented UTF8 support.

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Thanks for your reply,
I use in general 90-95%,m2ts files with external subtitles,and rarely i use mkv files.
You are right,i use srt subtitles files.
I wanted to know for sure as i want to order my first OPPO and use it with external HDD,as it will replace my Dune Base 3.0.
Any feedback will be apreciated.
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Thanks for your reply,
I use in general 90-95%,m2ts files with external subtitles,and rarely i use mkv files.
You are right,i use srt subtitles files.
I wanted to know for sure as i want to order my first OPPO and use it with external HDD,as it will replace my Dune Base 3.0.
Any feedback will be apreciated.
Regards

If no one else replies, I'll do a test of M2TS with UTF8 external SRT files later today and report back.

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Hi,
It is possible to play with OPPO large m2ts files or mkv (30-40G) with support for eastern European subtitles and diacritics?
All to be played from an external 2-3 TB hard disk drive.

Regards
The Eastern European characters are not displayed correctly in external srt files. You can mux your srt file with m2ts file using TsMuxer (Free software). In that case Eastern European characters are displayed correctly. My Oppo 103 runs old firmware BDP10X-38-1220.
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Hi Bob P. When I press the info button it says that I am receiving 480i. I have my cable running through the HDMI 1 of the Oppo and then to my Sony HX850 LED. There is some shimmering of lines during some rare scenes. I have the resolution set to direct source as I seem to get better overall clarity and detail than with 1080P. The Sony must be upscaling the 480i to 1080P because picture appears to be HD. The shimmering occurs with rare scenes of some striped and plaid clothing.Could the shimmering of lines be in the broadcast itself and not the fault of the OPPO or Sony?
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Hi Bob P. When I press the info button it says that I am receiving 480i. I have my cable running throught the HDMI 1 of the Oppo and then to my Sony HX850 LED. There is some shimmering of lines during some rare scenes. I have the resolution set to direct source as I seem to get better overall clarity and detail than with 1080P. The Sony must be upscaling the 480i to 1080P because picture appears to be HD. The shimmering occurs with rare scenes of some striped and plaid clothing.
What you're seeing is probably normal. Things like stripes and plaids are very difficult to upscale without moiré or other artifacts, especially when the source is only 480i. You might want to try letting the Oppo upscale 480i material and see if the results are better.

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Keep deep color OFF

Can you explain why I want Deep Color off?
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^ Try connecting direct to the Sony. If you still see it, then it is either in the content (perhaps low bit rate for those SD channels) or it is the de-interlacing in the Sony.

To check that, try explicit 480p or 1080p output from the OPPO so the OPPO is doing the de-interlacing. If the problem still exists with either de-interlacing in OPPO or Sony then it is probably in the content.
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Thanks for your reply,
I use in general 90-95%,m2ts files with external subtitles,and rarely i use mkv files.
You are right,i use srt subtitles files.
I wanted to know for sure as i want to order my first OPPO and use it with external HDD,as it will replace my Dune Base 3.0.
Any feedback will be apreciated.
Regards

I did a little testing. With external subtitles files, M2TS behaves the same as MKV. UTF8 encoding is supported with recent firmware; according to my notes this appeared in firmware 50-0323.

The file must have a Byte Order Mark, else the extended characters will not display correctly.

This will give you Eastern European characters, and others.

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Keep deep color OFF

Why? Doing a search of the forum, I only find a reference to possible cable problems that show up while using Deep Color. That would imply the came needed fixing.

What is your argument for emphatically telling us to keep deep color OFF?

Curious mimes want to know.
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Hi folks.yesterday i receive my oppo 103 to play my blu rays on a samsung 60f8500..im not an expert with either ones so if you have some advise i will apreciate them.like where i should set the oppo ....example (rgb/4:4:4/) deep color,etc etc thanks for the help.

The best settings are dependent upon the TV the Oppo is connected to. To start with I would leave the HDMI options at their default settings and leave the deep color off. These settings should work for any TV. If you have or get the Spears and Munsil HD Benchmark there are test patterns you can use to see if other settings here might be better. It took me several hours of reading to really understand how to use these test patterns, and quite a bit of time evaluating the test pattern with the different settings. With my TV the only improvement I could make was changing a setting on the TV.

If you want to look at what is involved, this link explains the process: Choosing a Color Space, 2nd Edition

You should get good picture quality by leaving Color Space set to Auto and Deep Color set to Off. Using the test pattern from the disc you may confirm those settings are best, or you may find that there is another setting combination that works slightly better with your TV.
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To those that can get Dolby TruHD to work from an MKV file what product are you using to create your MKV and does the Dolby TruHD appear as English MLP on the oppo audio popup during playback. I'm not having any luck with TruHD MKV files with the 103.
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To those that can get Dolby TruHD to work from an MKV file what product are you using to create your MKV and does the Dolby TruHD appear as English MLP on the oppo audio popup during playback. I'm not having any luck with TruHD MKV files with the 103.

I believe it is detecting TrueHD and labeling it MLP in the popup. There is overlap in the nomenclature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meridian_Lossless_Packing

Are you not getting audio? What if you switch between Bitstream and LPCM on the player?

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OPPO UK has now posted the Public Beta 0522B firmware for the European model players (BDP-103EU and BDP-105EU):

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/bdp-103eu-105eu-beta-firmware/

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^ Is there any general time frame between a Public Beta and an Official Release? I think I'm going to stick with the official releases, at least for now.
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^ There's no real pattern to it. It depends on whether another Public Beta is needed, and that depends on work in progress as well as investigation of problem reports sent in against the current Public Beta. Pushing the other way, of course, is the value of the fixes/features already in place in the Public Beta, particularly with regard to disc compatibility fixes added specifically for upcoming titles.
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Why? Doing a search of the forum, I only find a reference to possible cable problems that show up while using Deep Color. That would imply the came needed fixing.

What is your argument for emphatically telling us to keep deep color OFF?

Curious mimes want to know.

No Blu-ray discs are encoded with Deep Color. In fact, the Blu-ray format does not support Deep Color. When you turn that feature on, the Blu-ray player upsamples the color channel. In some (not all) equipment chains, this may result in signal compatibility or HDMI handshaking problems.

Basically, there's no real need for that setting to be turned on. And since there's a possibility that it may cause issues, you might as well just leave it off.

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OPPO UK has now posted the Public Beta 0522B firmware for the European model players (BDP-103EU and BDP-105EU):

http://www.oppo-bluray.co.uk/customer-services/bdp-103eu-105eu-beta-firmware/

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No Blu-ray discs are encoded with Deep Color. In fact, the Blu-ray format does not support Deep Color. When you turn that feature on, the Blu-ray player upsamples the color channel. In some (not all) equipment chains, this may result in signal compatibility or HDMI handshaking problems.

Basically, there's no real need for that setting to be turned on. And since there's a possibility that it may cause issues, you might as well just leave it off.

Makes sense. I was thinking of it as extra LSBs for the color data, and carrying them to the display would let the processing chain delay truncating as long as possible. But that makes a whole raft of assumptions about what each downstream piece of equipment does with the data.
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I have sent a suggestion to Oppo support as a result of my experience with audio drop-outs during the first few seconds of play when a new program is selected (studio logo, previews, special features, etc.) to the extent that the first word or two on some special features is not audible. Oppo support said that these drop-outs are to be expected when the source video resolution and/or audio format change between programs as a new digital handshake is required. (I have also tried both bitstream and LPCM output to two different audio devices with no noticeable difference.)

My suggestion is that (if possible) that there be a menu option to delay the beginning of playback until both the source video and audio formats are determined and the digital handshakes are complete so that no audio is missed at the beginning of playback. I personally would prefer this even if it takes several more seconds before playback begins. I suggest the menu option so those who prefer to sacrifice the first second or two of audio in order to get the fastest playback will still have that option.

I expected the BDP-103 to have improved on this over earlier Blu-ray players. However, I do not believe that I experienced the audio drop-outs as frequently or that they lasted as long with my previous Blu-ray player (a first generation unit), probably because it was much slower to load. With the reputation of a reference quality Blu-ray player, I find the audio drop-outs to be unacceptable even if that is the "norm" for Blu-ray players. In my opinion there should be no audio or video missed at the beginning of any program on a reference quality player.

I post this here in hopes that others who have any thoughts on this issue will also contact Oppo support with their opinions on this issue.
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My suggestion is that (if possible) that there be a menu option to delay the beginning of playback until both the source video and audio formats are determined and the digital handshakes are complete so that no audio is missed at the beginning of playback. I personally would prefer this even if it takes several more seconds before playback begins. I suggest the menu option so those who prefer to sacrifice the first second or two of audio in order to get the fastest playback will still have that option.

I post this here in hopes that others who have any thoughts on this issue will also contact Oppo support with their opinions on this issue.

Great suggestion, KC.

For me, one of the 103's most highly appreciated attributes is how incredibly much faster it is than other BD players, after inserting the Blu-ray disc, in getting to playback. In my experience, going from a four-year-old Philips BDP5012 to the Oppo was like going from a 50-year-old VW Beetle to a brand new Ferrari (not that I would actually know what that's like, of course). Taking that into consideration, adding on a couple extra seconds of delay at start-up, in order to bypass the audio drop-out issue, would be completely acceptable.

And, as you propose, I suppose that including a start-up menu option to either accept or reject this delay would probably assuage the trepidation that would be experienced by those users who feel their "control" would be compromised by having the delay be "automatic"... except that the menu-option itself would add a delay. Perhaps the option to add the start-up delay would be better placed in Setup, so that it would either always occur, or never.

In any case... I like the idea. Having gained about sixty seconds in start-up time over that older player, I'd happily agree to losing a few seconds of that time, in order to lose the drop-outs... and I'll be contacting Oppo about it as soon as I post this.
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