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I wonder how HDMI2 (Oppo) compares with the Panasonic BDT-500.

What would you recommend?

If your only concern is watching BD and DVD via HDMI, it makes very little difference what player you buy. Get whatever is simplest to make region free.
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If your only concern is watching BD and DVD via HDMI, it makes very little difference what player you buy. Get whatever is simplest to make region free.

Kudos for such a refreshingly frank answer.

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The BDT-500 has been going at "fire sale" prices in the States lately so you might want to grab one regardless. I am a fan of the BDT-500 for matching with a Panny TV in a second system, although it is a bit difficult to navigate, but it is very fast for playing Blu-rays and the picture is perfect using default settings. It also has a nice 2ch analog sound, just a little bonus you might occasionally use. I don't think Panasonic will ever make a machine of this build quality again, as the trend shifts to disposable players.

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If your only concern is watching BD and DVD via HDMI, it makes very little difference what player you buy. Get whatever is simplest to make region free.

I believe you are disregarding the several additional features of the Oppo which are completely absent from the Panasonic, to wit:

a) the comprehensive zoom function
b) the possibility to shift the position of subtitles
c) additional picture adjustment parameters
d) the option to program three different picture adjustment settings and easily shift between them.

For me, these functions were a decisive factor when selecting the Oppo despite its higher price, plus the quality of Oppo´s customer service.
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I believe you are disregarding the several additional features of the Oppo which are completely absent from the Panasonic, to wit:

a) the comprehensive zoom function
b) the possibility to shift the position of subtitles
c) additional picture adjustment parameters
d) the option to program three different picture adjustment settings and easily shift between them.

For me, these functions were a decisive factor when selecting the Oppo despite its higher price, plus the quality of Oppo´s customer service.

I'm not disregarding anything, I chose to limit myself to the OPs stated needs and leave my own preferences out of it.
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I upgraded the firmware today in ignorance of the incompatibility with SACD-R....now I find that the DVD-A discs I've burned from HD Tracks (legitimately purchased) will not play at all either. This is a big problem for me. I see that downgrading firmware is not a possibility. Any suggestions are most welcome.
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Contact OPPO and have them issue a RMA for the player to be returned for downgrading to a previous firmware release. As this is not a warranty issue, you will be responsible for the shipping of the player to them, but they will cover return to you.
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I ended up going with 7.1 and using a dedicated 7.1 amplifier (Wyred4Sound MMC-7) and it seems to work the best for my area, "sense of space" wise.

So, how are your connecting your "separates"? are you connecting your OPPO to the Pioneer thru HDMI (digital)? and from Pioner to the MMC-7?
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So, how are your connecting your "separates"? are you connecting your OPPO to the Pioneer thru HDMI (digital)? and from Pioner to the MMC-7?

Exactly. I'm using my Pioneer SC65 as a preamp with Morrow Audio RCA Interconnects (unbalanced) to the MMC-7 amplifier. HDMI1 from the OPPO 103 to the Pioneer AVR/preamp. The OPPO works great for Redbook CD's and astounding for SACD's. Especially Japanese mastered SACD's.

I'm currently listening to Steely Dan's Gaucho (Multichannel). Great separation, tight bass with power and superb mids & highs. Now I see why folks go with "separates." The Pioneer SC65 was nice by itself (7.1 - 130 wpc) but the MMC-7 with 220 wpc and the same Class D design is night and day. The amp is still in the break in period and it sounds better everyday.

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I believe you are disregarding the several additional features of the Oppo which are completely absent from the Panasonic, to wit:

b) the possibility to shift the position of subtitles.

AFAIK the Panasonic can do that. Not only the 500 but the newer models too.

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If your only concern is watching BD and DVD via HDMI, it makes very little difference what player you buy. Get whatever is simplest to make region free.

Kudos for such a refreshingly frank answer.

It's posts like this that make oppo and the oppo avs threads such great resources.

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True ... as long as those cheaper players don't fail the basics such as outputting correct RGB or YCbCr color spaces, which is very common. Also many of these cheaper players fail some of the challenging cadence tests for US and European video sequences.

 

The Oppo is the only one I know of that has earned a perfect score of 100 on the complex cadence tests and has ZERO measured errors when dealing with RGB/YCbCr color spaces.

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Hi, I purchased the Oppo 103 about a month ago and have a standard HDMI connection to my Sony STR-DA5800ES AVR. Since the Sony has input capability for multi-channel audio, I am wondering if there would be any advantage to setting this type of connection up with the Oppo? I'm not really clear what the benefit would be with this connection versus the single HDMI connection I have now, if any. I really only use the Oppo for watching movies, and use a somewhat primitive Sony CDPCX455 CD changer for listening to music (or internet radio or MP3). Any advice would be appreciated....thanks!
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I really only use the Oppo for watching movies, and use a somewhat primitive Sony CDPCX455 CD changer for listening to music (or internet radio or MP3). Any advice would be appreciated....thanks!
Keep it simple. Use HDMI and send HD Audio digitally to the AVR.
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Hi, I purchased the Oppo 103 about a month ago and have a standard HDMI connection to my Sony STR-DA5800ES AVR. Since the Sony has input capability for multi-channel audio, I am wondering if there would be any advantage to setting this type of connection up with the Oppo? I'm not really clear what the benefit would be with this connection versus the single HDMI connection I have now, if any. I really only use the Oppo for watching movies, and use a somewhat primitive Sony CDPCX455 CD changer for listening to music (or internet radio or MP3). Any advice would be appreciated....thanks!
It gives people an option to use the DAC in the Oppo if they feel its better than the one in their AVR.
It also allows people with older AVR's that have no HDMI inputs to take advantage of Hi-Res audio.
This is all provided their AVR has 7.1 inputs.
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It gives people an option to use the DAC in the Oppo if they feel its better than the one in their AVR.
It also allows people with older AVR's that have no HDMI inputs to take advantage of Hi-Res audio.
This is all provided their AVR has 7.1 inputs.
A lot of older AVRs may only have 5.1 inputs but that would be adequate for a 5.1 system and the Oppo is just as happy feeding 5.1 as 7.1. smile.gif

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Hi, I purchased the Oppo 103 about a month ago and have a standard HDMI connection to my Sony STR-DA5800ES AVR. Since the Sony has input capability for multi-channel audio, I am wondering if there would be any advantage to setting this type of connection up with the Oppo? I'm not really clear what the benefit would be with this connection versus the single HDMI connection I have now, if any. I really only use the Oppo for watching movies, and use a somewhat primitive Sony CDPCX455 CD changer for listening to music (or internet radio or MP3). Any advice would be appreciated....thanks!

I'd echo bluechunks, you probably want to keep it simple.

If you want to play with it, especially with music, you can set the multi channel connections up and bypass processing in your AVR, see whether the DACs in the Oppo are better than the Sony.

I have a good AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-33), and use my Oppo to feed a bitstream to it, letting it do the sound processing. The real question is if the Oppo's DACs are better than the Sony's.

Just an aside, have you tried any music on the Oppo to compare?
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I'd echo bluechunks, you probably want to keep it simple.

If you want to play with it, especially with music, you can set the multi channel connections up and bypass processing in your AVR, see whether the DACs in the Oppo are better than the Sony.

I have a good AVR (Pioneer Elite VSX-33), and use my Oppo to feed a bitstream to it, letting it do the sound processing. The real question is if the Oppo's DACs are better than the Sony's.

Just an aside, have you tried any music on the Oppo to compare?

No, have not played music on the Oppo, just movies. I was really wondering if the sound quality for movies would be enhanced with the multi-channel set-up as opposed to digital, but apparently not....sounds like I'm just as well off sticking with the one HDMI cable.

The multi-channel connection seems like quite a unique feature for a player like this to have, so it led me to believe that by not having my system connected in this manner, I might be missing out on something.

If I am just as well off with my HDMI connection, I might as well avoid running four analog cables from the Oppo to my AVR and go with bluechunks' advice.

Thanks!
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No, have not played music on the Oppo, just movies. I was really wondering if the sound quality for movies would be enhanced with the multi-channel set-up as opposed to digital, but apparently not....sounds like I'm just as well off sticking with the one HDMI cable.

The multi-channel connection seems like quite a unique feature for a player like this to have, so it led me to believe that by not having my system connected in this manner, I might be missing out on something.

If I am just as well off with my HDMI connection, I might as well avoid running four analog cables from the Oppo to my AVR and go with bluechunks' advice.

Thanks!

I thought the main benefits of the "Analog" outputs was to take advantage of the OPPO DAC as well a feed direct DSD signal. Or is that only available via HDMI2 on the OPPO with the caveat that your receiver must be able to handle DSD.

I ended up playing SACD's - - which sound fabulous - - via HDMI1 from the OPPO with the "PCM" setting on. (Bitstream for movies) There might be additional processing going on with with my Pioneer SC65 receiver - - even in "Pure Direct" mode, but it is far more convenient to run it this way since the SC65 AVR does not handle DSD direct. It can take a DSD signal, but it just converts it to PCM.

Anyway - - for simplicity sake - - I run everything out of HDMI1 - - and the OPPO does a great job with Multichannel music as well as Bluray movie soundtracks.

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I just ordered a region free kit off of ebay as I want to be able to play other region Blu ray movies (and DVD). I want to order some "Region Free" disc's (the tv show Strike Back + some R.2 stuff) from Amazon UK. The site says that they won't play in US 60i Blu ray players "as the Blu-ray discs are authored to UK 50i specs". Can anyone here confirm that these 50i disc's will play normally with the 103 and the region kit. I want to make sure before I order any disc's. I have ordered lots of Region Free Blu rays from Amazon UK and they always play........I wonder why they would also make different 50i mastered disc's when all of them are UK marketed disc's?
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I just ordered a region free kit off of ebay as I want to be able to play other region Blu ray movies (and DVD). I want to order some "Region Free" disc's (the tv show Strike Back + some R.2 stuff) from Amazon UK. The site says that they won't play in US 60i Blu ray players "as the Blu-ray discs are authored to UK 50i specs". Can anyone here confirm that these 50i disc's will play normally with the 103 and the region kit. I want to make sure before I order any disc's. I have ordered lots of Region Free Blu rays from Amazon UK and they always play........I wonder why they would also make different 50i mastered disc's when all of them are UK marketed disc's?

Yes, all OPPO players have always played 50hz sources.

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Contact OPPO and have them issue a RMA for the player to be returned for downgrading to a previous firmware release. As this is not a warranty issue, you will be responsible for the shipping of the player to them, but they will cover return to you.

Thanks, looks like that's the plan.
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BDP-103 can output audio and video to two 3D or 2D TVs simultaneously!!! But when I do this I get only a stereo signal to the main. I will also lose all surround on the main system when the second TV is turn on no matter what source I have it on. The main (HDMI 1) is connected to a SC-07 then to a Sony KDL-65w5100. The second out (HDMI 2) is connected to a Samsung UN32EH5300, and to a Sony DB830 Through the coaxial of the BDP-103. Both setups play fine by themselves. Anybody got any idea what is happening.
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You will want to use HDMI 2 to your primary system and HDMI 1 to your secondary system. This will allow you to get high resolution audio with HDMI and video through both HDMI outputs.

Also use Dual HDMI of Split A/V.
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Can anyone who already owns the 103 tell me how quickly it can switch from the HDMI input back to a regular Blu-ray menu? I'd like to eliminate the HDMI switch in my setup (not enough inputs on my receiver) and the only other HDMI device I have is a Roku. What I'd like to do is to have the Roku connected to the 103 input. If it takes like 20 seconds to switch between the the input and a Blu-ray than it's not going to work for me as I want it to be as fast as my existing setup.
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BDP-103 can output audio and video to two 3D or 2D TVs simultaneously!!! But when I do this I get only a stereo signal to the main. I will also lose all surround on the main system when the second TV is turn on no matter what source I have it on. The main (HDMI 1) is connected to a SC-07 then to a Sony KDL-65w5100. The second out (HDMI 2) is connected to a Samsung UN32EH5300, and to a Sony DB830 Through the coaxial of the BDP-103. Both setups play fine by themselves. Anybody got any idea what is happening.

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2. Dual HDMI Output: Allows you to select the output mode when both HDMI Output ports are in use. If only one HDMI Output is active, this selection will not apply.
Split A/V (recommended) – Use HDMI 1 OUTas the dedicated video output port and HDMI 2 OUT as the dedicated audio output port. This setting will ensure the best possible picture quality and the highest possible audio resolution.
Dual Display – Send digital audio and video signals to both HDMI Outputs simultaneously. This setting is only recommended when two HDMI displays are required, since the surround sound audio signal may be down-mixed to stereo and the original audio quality may be lost.

Also see: Understanding Dual Display Mode from the Oppo Knowledge Base.

Apparently when using Dual Display mode, the audio codec is limited to the capabilities of the least capable attached and active HDMI device. The Samsung is probably only accepting 2-channel LPCM via HDMI 2 and thus also limiting the HDMI 1 output to 2-channel LPCM as well.

You can always push the info button on the remote, followed by the page up or down to see what the Oppo is actually outputting on HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 for both video and audio. This may help you figure out for sure what is going on, and the best workaround solution.

A possible work-around (only one I can think of) would be to switch the Dual HDMI Output setting to "Split A/V", and reverse your 1 and 2 HDMI connections, as I think Neuromancer was trying to describe above. This would provide video by HDMI to both outputs (HDMI 2 limited to 24 bit) but only HDMI 2 would output audio (to your Pioneer SC-07) which would then not be limited by the other HDMI output. It sounds like the Samsung would not need any audio via HDMI, since you have the coaxial connection to the Sony STR-DB830.
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Can anyone who already owns the 103 tell me how quickly it can switch from the HDMI input back to a regular Blu-ray menu? I'd like to eliminate the HDMI switch in my setup (not enough inputs on my receiver) and the only other HDMI device I have is a Roku. What I'd like to do is to have the Roku connected to the 103 input. If it takes like 20 seconds to switch between the the input and a Blu-ray than it's not going to work for me as I want it to be as fast as my existing setup.

Switching to the HDMI inputs will stop the play of the Blu-ray disc (or any disc in the tray). The disc will not continue to play while one of the HDMI inputs is selected. Switching back to the Blu-ray player will immediately bring up the Oppo home screen menu for the Blu-ray player, but you must re-start play of the disc. Getting back to the Blu-ray disc's menu can take some time.
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If your only concern is watching BD and DVD via HDMI, it makes very little difference what player you buy. Get whatever is simplest to make region free.

Sorry if I read this out of context. Are you saying that the picture quality of the Oppo is not better than any other good bluray player? I only watch Bluray and bought the oppo as I thought the PQ was superior to any other player. I thought that using the dual HDMI improved the PQ. Thanks.
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