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post #11521 of 21711 Old 09-05-2013, 05:19 AM
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I have now owned the Darbee DVP5000 since last August. It is in the signal chain Oppo 103 >> Denon 4311ci >> Darbee >> Sharp 70" Aquos display. Once you own one of these and appreciate the "lifting of the veil" that is done by the Darbee you will not want to go back and watch your TV shows or blu-rays without it. I'm glad to see Dr. Darbee is now making headway with getting OEMs to start using it in their products.

Agree 100%. I have 2 Darbee's taking input from a 103 and a Tivo and feeding into a Lumagen Radiance. Wonderful improvement on a 70" Elite. Putting the Darbee tech in the 103 is a great idea and should make it easier to fine tune the Darbee output since the Darbee remote is a bit of a PITA.
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Agree 100%. I have 2 Darbee's taking input from a 103 and a Tivo and feeding into a Lumagen Radiance. Wonderful improvement on a 70" Elite. Putting the Darbee tech in the 103 is a great idea and should make it easier to fine tune the Darbee output since the Darbee remote is a bit of a PITA.

I actually have my Darbee on the back of my 70". The Darbee is situated with the IR receiver facing the front wall and I am able to control the Darbee with my Harmony One without the use of an IR emitter.


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+3 Darbee Darblet - - being used on my Samsung 65" ES8000 LCD/LED & BenQ W1080ST projector.

Absolute "no brainer" for projectors and adds incredible color luminance to my LCD/LED. An essential component to my Home Theater.

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Thanks for the help KC-Technerd I will have to leave it set up like it is. The Samsung TV is the one that is receiving Stereo. What I didn't like the most is just having the Samsung
on causes this problem even though it's set to another input. I might try a splitter out of the SC-07 to the Sony. I already got a switch on the SC-07 out HDMI-2.

Apparently your Samsung is keeping the HDMI port the Oppo is connected to active, even if it is set to another input. Some TVs do that, some don't. You might try switching the connection from the Oppo to a different HDMI port on the Samsung. It's unlikely this will make a difference, but it is possible that if one port supports HDMI-CEC and the others don't that the others may not all remain active when they aren't selected.

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're saying about having a switch on the SC-07 out HDMI-2. Your SC-07 does have 2 HDMI outputs, and I see on page 100 of the owner's manual that they can be set to output simultaneously, so I believe you could use just one HDMI output on the Oppo to the SC-07, and then connect the SC-07's HDMI OUT 1 to the Sony KDL-65W5100 and HDMI OUT 2 to the Samsung. What I'm not sure about is if the Pioneer will pass the HDMI through if it is turned off, which might require Pioneer remain turned on even if you aren't otherwise using it for audio. However this should keep the operation of the Samsung from having any effect on the audio format delivered to the Pioneer.
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The SC-07 does have 2 HDMI outs but I'm using that for the Kitchen and as a monitor to read the setup on the SC-07.It has the switch that changes the two TVs back and forth. That works fine for what I'm doing with it.
I will try another HDMI port on the Samsung when I get Back home . Thanks
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I did a quick search and didn't find an answer. I am on the verge of purchasing a 4K TV. With the recent announcement on HDMI 2.0, which will enable 60fps, I am interested in any insight with regards to Oppo support of HDMI 2.0.

Is there any chance that the BDB103/105 players will get HDMI 2.0 support through a firmware upgrade? I ask, because the Sony XBR X900 4K TV, which currently has HDMI 1.4 of course, will receive a firmware upgrade by the end of the year to enable HDMI 2.0. It would seem that Sony used a chipset that would allow the upgrade without a board swap, which is pretty good advance thinking.

Otherwise, any hint at when we might expect new Oppo players supporting HDMI 2.0? I'm thinking that 2.0 support in the player, along with 4K upscaling, and with a direct HDMi connection to the display, will be the most cost-effective way to get 60fps 4K pictures in the short run. The last thing I want to do is replace my brand new HDMI 1.4 AVR.
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From what I have seen, Oppo generally does not jump right on new technology. They usually wait a while. I doubt HDMI 2.0 will be enabled via upgrade to the 103 but you would best put that question directly to Oppo. I wouldn't expect a new Oppo player before late in 2014 at the earliest if they follow their previous pattern of new product releases.

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From what I have seen, Oppo generally does not jump right on new technology. They usually wait a while. I doubt HDMI 2.0 will be enabled via upgrade to the 103 but you would best put that question directly to Oppo. I wouldn't expect a new Oppo player before late in 2014 at the earliest if they follow their previous pattern of new product releases.
Basically what he said smile.gif. I'm almost certain that none of the new HDMI 2.0 features could be added to the 103/105 platform with a firmware update.
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Basically what he said smile.gif. I'm almost certain that none of the new HDMI 2.0 features could be added to the 103/105 platform with a firmware update.

 

Thanks, GSR and JazzGuyy.  It's not a big deal, since we aren't likely to see much native 4K content for a while.  It would be nice to use the upconversion in the Oppo rather than the display, but without 2.0 I would rather let the display do the conversion.

 

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The players are designed for upscaling to 4K, not playing back true 4K media. For this reason there will not be a refresh that will allow for 4Kx2K at 60Hz. This is a hardware limitation and is not something that we can just enable through firmware.

 

 

 

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I'm thinking of buying DARBEE DVP 5000 and connecting it from my BDP-103 to my Samsung 64"F8500 PLASMA,But I don't know if I'll notice any difference or is it even worth it ?!!

Darbee is awesome. Almost without exception, everyone who's used one likes it. The only people you'll hear say negative things about it are those who've never actually used it but object out of some misguided purist principle. Don't listen to them. Properly dialed in (always keep it less than 50%, I recommend on the "Hi-Def" mode), the Darbee makes everything look better with no unwanted artifacts.

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Darbee is awesome. Almost without exception, everyone who's used one likes it. The only people you'll hear say negative things about it are those who've never actually used it but object out of some misguided purist principle. Don't listen to them. Properly dialed in (always keep it less than 50%, I recommend on the "Hi-Def" mode), the Darbee makes everything look better with no unwanted artifacts.

I find 50% "Hi Def" works fine for me. Over 50% gets a little iffy on the Darblet, but everyone's system is different.

I was able to obtain a free pass to the CEDIA EXPO 2013 Conference here in Denver in a couple weeks. Darbee is an "Exhibitor" and will be demoing the OPPO 103D - - I'm curious to see how it works as compared to the Darbee "stand-alone"

I see a bigger benefit in bundling the Darbee at the Receiver level - - since everything usually flows out of your receiver/pre amp/pre processor versus a separate Bluray player. I know some folks run everything through their OPPO player but I've run into HDCP issues with premium channels (Directv) when I tried to hook it up that way.

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Can someone provide a brief synopsis of the advantages/disadvantages of using HDMI 1 versus HDMI 2? My understanding is the HDMI 1 uses the Marvel processor whereas HDMI 2 does not. Are there any situations where one is ideal and another is not. Any info appreciated! Thanks in advance.
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Is the 103D the same price as the 103? I already have the stand-alone Darblet, so if the 103D is more expensive, I'm not sure it would be worth it. Assuming, of course, that the technology in the in-built and the stand-alone is the same.
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I really doubt they would bundle the Darblet into the 103 for free considering the standalone Darblet is over $300. It sounds like both 103 models would be sold at the same time, you already have the darblet so unless you're going to sell it, it would make sense to get the one without darblet.

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Is the 103D the same price as the 103? I already have the stand-alone Darblet, so if the 103D is more expensive, I'm not sure it would be worth it. Assuming, of course, that the technology in the in-built and the stand-alone is the same.

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Darbee is awesome. Almost without exception, everyone who's used one likes it. The only people you'll hear say negative things about it are those who've never actually used it but object out of some misguided purist principle. Don't listen to them. Properly dialed in (always keep it less than 50%, I recommend on the "Hi-Def" mode), the Darbee makes everything look better with no unwanted artifacts.

I got one for a few of weeks and didn't like it for a couple of reasons so I returned it for a full refund:

1. Thought it was too expensive for the nominal difference (to me) in picture quality that it provided.
2. It didn't work well with my Mitsubishi DLP (WD-92842) because every time I would turn on the TV, the TV would ask me to name the input. This only happened with the Darbee connected. TV seemed to sense another device connected and would ask every time. I would then name the input and the next time I turned the TV on, it would ask again.

I may try it again when (as the other poster said) it's at a much more reasonable price.

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Hi everybody

Im on the fence between the 103 and 105. My question is "Are the processors (DVD-A, SACD, Dolby True and DTS HD MA and the DACs in the 105 that much better than the 103s? Is there a big difference or no?

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I got one for a few of weeks and didn't like it for a couple of reasons so I returned it for a full refund:

1. Thought it was too expensive for the nominal difference (to me) in picture quality that it provided.
This.

Perhaps my opinion would have been different with a projector and large screen rather than my 65" Panny VT25 plasma.

In addition, the Darbee "enhances" everything. While pristine Blu Rays were indeed very nice, HD cable wasn't that impressive as the Darbee would also sharpen artifacts so it required constant adjustment depending upon the input.

I could see the Darbee working quite nicely in an Oppo player, however, with separate presets for BD, DVD, and streaming.
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Darbee is awesome. Almost without exception, everyone who's used one likes it. The only people you'll hear say negative things about it are those who've never actually used it but object out of some misguided purist principle. Don't listen to them. Properly dialed in (always keep it less than 50%, I recommend on the "Hi-Def" mode), the Darbee makes everything look better with no unwanted artifacts.

I own the new Samsung 64" F8500 Plasma T.V and the image on it is spectacular,but what I'm concerned about is will I notice any difference with the darbee ?
The picture is unbelievably Sharp and the color's are amazing,plus it's a full HD set,So what can the darbee offer me?
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Hi everybody

Im on the fence between the 103 and 105. My question is "Are the processors (DVD-A, SACD, Dolby True and DTS HD MA and the DACs in the 105 that much better than the 103s? Is there a big difference or no?

Thank you

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Not completely sure what you're asking here. The 103 and 105 are identical in every respect EXCEPT for the DAC and analog board. That board also offers dedicated stereo analog outs, headphone amp and USB/SPDIF inputs.
Unless you have a high end analog system or need those extra features, the 103 is the way to go. All processing on the digital side is identical.
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RE: Darblet with the OPPO & Any Source

I was skeptical, at first, about any benefits with my Samsung 65" LCD/LED and I do not know if Plasma is different, but with my LCD/LED - - color luminance is fantastic. By that, I mean the Darblet does an incredible job of bringing out bright and vivid colors on your TV.

And, even though my TV is razor sharp as well - - it's even sharper with the Darbee Darblet. So sharp that when I first installed it, I was channel surfing and saw some series with a lady who had serious five o'clock shadow - - stubble growth that you could see with the Darblet "on" but not as well with the Darblet "off."

Plus - - I had a friend over and after a football game, the news came on and he said he had a crush on this one female newscaster. After he saw her on my 65" Sammy with the Darblet and all her facial imperfections - - he said and I quote - "I'm not in love anymore."

Case closed - - verdict on behalf of the Darblet.

Even with Bluray - - it makes the picture better. The better the source, the better the effect.

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thanks Rdgrimes

I guess my question is given that the 105 has better DACs and a better anolog board, will it give a considerable better sound than the 103s, on the analog end? I currently have the 83, but no 3D. Im not looking for better bells and whistles, just Audio quality.

Thanks again Rob
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^ Yes, the design goal of the 105 is to produce better sound quality on the Analog audio outputs than the already excellent quality on the 103's Analog audio outputs.

The 105 also adds a Headphones jack, and additional types of Digital Audio Input connections compared to the 103.

Here's how OPPO themselves describe the differences:

http://www.oppodigital.com/KnowledgeBase.aspx?KBID=37

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KC-Technerd I tried all three inputs to the Samsung,Still get the same response.
The best thing for me to do is get a compatible AV Receiver to replace The Sony DB-830. I do have a place for it.
The Idea of a splitter requires to much of another trial and error that I don't fell like dealing with. The switch I have
coming out of the SC-07 HDMI-2 out is hooked to a cheap 24in HDTV that I use when I do not want to turn on the large TV, and a 26in HDTV that goes to the Kitchen.Only one of the two will work at one time and will work with or without the large TV that is hooked to the HDMI-1 OUT.
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Can someone provide a brief synopsis of the advantages/disadvantages of using HDMI 1 versus HDMI 2? My understanding is the HDMI 1 uses the Marvel processor whereas HDMI 2 does not. Are there any situations where one is ideal and another is not. Any info appreciated! Thanks in advance.

De-interlacing and scaling are both performed by the MediaTek processor for both HDMI outputs. HDMI 1 adds additional post processing via a Marvell QDEO Kyoto G2H. See this document for more details on the QDEO processing: https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/qdeo_extended_technology_brief.pdf

My understanding is that (in the order they appear in the brief):

HDMI 1 has an undefeatable base level of QDEO Noise Reduction applied. Additional QDEO noise reduction can be applied using the Noise Reduction setting under "Picture Adjustment" for HDMI 1. The base level is applied even when the "Noise Reduction" setting is at "0" or when "Source Direct" is used. (This is despite the statement in the owner's manual that noise reduction is turned off with the default level of 0.)

QDEO Format Conversion is not used in the Oppo BDP-103/105 (except for 4k upscaling). Format conversion is handled by the MediaTek processor for both HDMI 1 and HMDI 2. The MediaTek incorporates non-ringing scaling which is not true of the Marvell QDEO.

Adaptive Contrast Enhancement (ACE) is available by setting the "Contrast Enhancement" under "Picture Adjustment" for HDMI 1. None is applied when the setting is "0".

Intelligent Color Remapping (ICR) is available by setting the "Color Enhancement" under "Picture Adjustment" for HDMI 1. None is applied when the setting is "0".

Natural Depth Expansion: I'm uncertain how or if this is applied in the Oppo BDP-103/105. I believe this is likely incorporated into the "Sharpness" setting under "Picture Adjustment" for HDMI 1, with none being applied when the setting is "0".

Bit Resolution Expansion/Qdeo True Color Processing (QTC) is applied to HMDI 1 when the Deep Color setting for HMDI 1 is above 24 bit, even when using Source Direct.



Looking at the differences in the available Picture Adjustment setting (between HDMI 1 and 2) on pages 56-59 of the User Manual also gives some information on the differences between the HDMI outputs. Additionally, DSD can only be output on HDMI 2. The Marvell also provides 4k upscaling on HDMI 1.
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I guess my question is given that the 105 has better DACs and a better anolog board, will it give a considerable better sound than the 103s, on the analog end? I currently have the 83, but no 3D. Im not looking for better bells and whistles, just Audio quality.

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Analog audio quality is just as good as the weakest link in your analog chain, no better. So the answer to your question is: it depends. Depends on the speakers, the amp and any pre/pro hardware in the system. I'd qualify it this way: if your speakers cost less than the BDP-105, consider the 103 as a strong contender. Obviously a generalization but you get the point. FWIW, the 103 is a decent step up in analog quality from the 83.
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thanks Bob

This is a tough decision. I do want to get the best sound, given the difference isn't subtle. . My setup consists of Krell Kav amps. Lexicon MC-8B, B&W Nautilus speakers and audioquest cable. Based on my setup do you think I should go for the 105?

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