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post #11971 of 21213 Old 09-30-2013, 07:55 AM
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Good,it will really blow the socks off those folks that are contemplating an upgrade from the -83.thanks

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Its a western digital NAS, i thought videos were directly played on the oppo without any additional transcoding.
And why is it that only those mkvs are being converted and not the other mkvs?
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That is a clue that your server is altering the audio or video into a format that the player does not support.

Is this a DLNA server? Do you know what type, and do you have any control over it?

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Its a western digital NAS, i thought videos were directly played on the oppo without any additional transcoding.
And why is it that only those mkvs are being converted and not the other mkvs?
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I don't know if there is any Dream Theater fans in this forum, but I just bought the latest CD/DVD combo pack yesterday to give it a proper listen. I immediately wanted to hear the 5.1 mix, so I popped that in first. About 45 seconds into it, there was static noise and sounds like it had slowed down a bit as well. If I let it go for a bit, it cleared up for a few seconds and then started again. I tried to stop and start the disc 3 times and power cycled the player, but same result. I am thinking bad disc, but I take it back to the store, they pop it in their samsung player and it plays fine. So what I am not clear on is if there is truly DVD-A tracks on this disc (in which case the Samsung could not have been playing that track, correct?) or of it is a standard DVD audio that any player can play? The CD itself played fine. Either way, they wouldn't exchange the disc because they didn't hear what I did. I am wondering if this is something I might address with Oppo?

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You should contact OPPO.

BTW I am huge fan of DT,...

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You should contact OPPO.

BTW I am huge fan of DT,...

prsut, you don't happen to have the 5.1 mix DVD by chance and or listened to it yet?
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You should contact OPPO.

BTW I am huge fan of DT,...

I just found an AVS thread on the new album and there is another 103 owner with the same problem. I guess it plays fine in a 83 and 980, so looks like a bug on the 103. rolleyes.gif
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Its a western digital NAS, i thought videos were directly played on the oppo without any additional transcoding.
And why is it that only those mkvs are being converted and not the other mkvs?

It depends on the server. For SMB I have not heard of transcoding but for DLNA we have, many times, cured problem by turning off transcoding in the server. Which is why I am asking what sort of server you are running. The NAS presumably provides both SMB and DLNA. It makes a difference which you are using.

On local USB storage, do all the MKV play, or some do and some don't?

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It depends on the server. For SMB I have not heard of transcoding but for DLNA we have, many times, cured problem by turning off transcoding in the server. Which is why I am asking what sort of server you are running. The NAS presumably provides both SMB and DLNA. It makes a difference which you are using.

On local USB storage, do all the MKV play, or some do and some don't?

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the name of dlna server doesn't show up in the Nas setting but i think Wd my book live uses a twonky server.
Seems that i can play all Mkvs off the local storage.
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All,

I've searched the many pages of this forum, and did not find this specific reference. While watching my new BD copy of Star Trek Into Darkness, I notice that with 7.1 decoding in the Oppo 103, the left front channel seems to overload and distort with Oppo set to bitstream output for HDMI, but when I set it to LPCM output and let my Integra 80.3 decode, the sound is fine.

Anyone run into this as a result of any of the firmware updates? I have the latest official installed right now. Would the newest beta address this or do I have a hardware problem?
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the name of dlna server doesn't show up in the Nas setting but i think Wd my book live uses a twonky server.
Seems that i can play all Mkvs off the local storage.

Do you have some sort of administrative access to Twonky? See if there is a setting to turn off transcoding. If you can't find it then look for a support forum for the mybook.

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I've searched the many pages of this forum, and did not find this specific reference. While watching my new BD copy of Star Trek Into Darkness, I notice that with 7.1 decoding in the Oppo 103, the left front channel seems to overload and distort with Oppo set to bitstream output for HDMI, but when I set it to LPCM output and let my Integra 80.3 decode, the sound is fine.

Anyone run into this as a result of any of the firmware updates? I have the latest official installed right now. Would the newest beta address this or do I have a hardware problem?

You sure you didn't state that backwards? With LPCM output it is the *OPPO* doing the decoding. To get the Integra to do the decoding you use Bitstream output.

Anyway, I just played that last night using Bitstream to my Anthem Statement D2v and heard no problems.
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You sure you didn't state that backwards? With LPCM output it is the *OPPO* doing the decoding. To get the Integra to do the decoding you use Bitstream output.

Anyway, I just played that last night using Bitstream to my Anthem Statement D2v and heard no problems.
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I did misstate the point about which device decoded, but not which circumstances produced the distortion, and now I'm even more confused. That would imply that my Integra is distorting the Oppo output when decoding 7.1, but I've not heard that with similar decoding of other movies, just this one. I'll have to do some more listening and see if I can learn anything else. The Integra has no distortion in the left channel under any other circumstance that I can remember, from stereo to 9.1.
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i just sold my bdp-93 and in process of getting 103..but not sure about 103d...do you guys i should wait for 103d and get 103..i use it for my 52 samsung lcd..will i see the difference from 103 and 103d.....now is it worth of waiting for "d"

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i just sold my bdp-93 and in process of getting 103..but not sure about 103d...do you guys i should wait for 103d and get 103..i use it for my 52 samsung lcd..will i see the difference from 103 and 103d.....now is it worth of waiting for "d"

This is going to be tough. My personal take, having used both (I'm a Beta Tester) is that I prefer the 103D. However it is a new product, and may end up having a few more "new product bugs" in firmware that need ironing out. And of course it costs more.
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I did misstate the point about which device decoded, but not which circumstances produced the distortion, and now I'm even more confused. That would imply that my Integra is distorting the Oppo output when decoding 7.1, but I've not heard that with similar decoding of other movies, just this one. I'll have to do some more listening and see if I can learn anything else. The Integra has no distortion in the left channel under any other circumstance that I can remember, from stereo to 9.1.

I don't bitstream (can't), or do 7.1 (could), but a recent blu-ray that had similar issues was Total Recall from end of last year. Sony's defective disc would only play correctly in certain players when the player decoded it to PCM first. Their excuse for not re-manufacturing the disc properly and sending out replacements was that player manufacturers would take care of things, but not sure all that many did. It had a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack. (It wouldn't play either way (bitstream (according to others) or pcm (according to me)) on my now-retired Panasonic BD35, and there was no firmware update to take care of things, at least as of two months ago. PCM worked okay on my '93.)

Aha, just checked and Trek is apparently also a Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. Think I recall a Disney title with similar issues, but only is skimming some thread somewhere on the internet, possibly FInding Nemo (also a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 soundtrack, so that may have been it).

Part of the reason I recall reading that Dolby TrueHD became less used for quite a while was that it didn't do very well with seamless branching. Apparently that may still be the case.

Just the messenger, and I could be wrong.

Um, oh at the time (of the Total Recall fiasco), I also recall reading that Oppo denied Sony's claim that it was a player firmware issue and that they weren't going to provide any fix for it. Don't know if that changed in the meantime.
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This is going to be tough. My personal take, having used both (I'm a Beta Tester) is that I prefer the 103D. However it is a new product, and may end up having a few more "new product bugs" in firmware that need ironing out. And of course it costs more.
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Thanks for quick reply
I dont mind the new product bugs and also price when i am spending 500 why dont i spend another 100 and get "d" but with my tv samsung LN52B750 will i see the difference between 103 and 103d

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^ Well you will CERTAINLY see the difference if you turn on the Darbee processing in the 103D. No surprise there.

In terms of the image quality with all processing turned off in both players, they should look identical on your display.
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^ Well you will CERTAINLY see the difference if you turn on the Darbee processing in the 103D. No surprise there.

In terms of the image quality with all processing turned off in both players, they should look identical on your display.
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awesome...Now it will waiting game smile.gif...Thxs again for ur quick response.

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i just sold my bdp-93 and in process of getting 103..but not sure about 103d...do you guys i should wait for 103d and get 103..i use it for my 52 samsung lcd..will i see the difference from 103 and 103d.....now is it worth of waiting for "d"

This is going to be tough. My personal take, having used both (I'm a Beta Tester) is that I prefer the 103D. However it is a new product, and may end up having a few more "new product bugs" in firmware that need ironing out. And of course it costs more.
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hmmm...not the kind of optimism i was expecting.
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^ You were expecting maybe gushing, perhaps? biggrin.gif

If you love the Darbee processing, or even just want to experiment with it, the 103D is a bargain. I've just written up my own thoughts on Darbee as integrated into the 103D in the separate, 103D thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1491059/oppo-licensing-darbee-technology-for-103d-machines

Personally, I also like what the VRS chip is doing compared to the QDEO in the 103. In my case, the VRS plus the chance to play with Darbee, makes the 103D an *EASY* win.

But there's no doubt the 103D is a somewhat more expensive variant of the 103, rather than an entirely brand new player. They are more alike than different. And so making a recommendation to others is tough. Different people will care more about different things.

For example, folks disturbed by the base level of noise reduction found on the HDMI 1 output of the 103 will be pleased to know there is no such thing happening on the 103D.

On the down side, I know of a few issues still being worked on in the current firmware for the 103D, which are not present in the 103. Typical teething pains for a new release. I fully expect OPPO will nail those quickly, but they still represent work in progress.

As usual, OPPO offers their easy, 30-day return policy. So you can try the 103D and make up your own mind after using it with the rest of your gear. All you risk is the shipping costs.
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^ You were expecting maybe gushing, perhaps? biggrin.gif

If you love the Darbee processing, or even just want to experiment with it, the 103D is a bargain. I've just written up my own thoughts on Darbee as integrated into the 103D in the separate, 103D thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1491059/oppo-licensing-darbee-technology-for-103d-machines

Personally, I also like what the VRS chip is doing compared to the QDEO in the 103. In my case, the VRS plus the chance to play with Darbee, makes the 103D an *EASY* win.

But there's no doubt the 103D is a somewhat more expensive variant of the 103, rather than an entirely brand new player. They are more alike than different. And so making a recommendation to others is tough. Different people will care more about different things.

For example, folks disturbed by the base level of noise reduction found on the HDMI 1 output of the 103 will be pleased to know there is no such thing happening on the 103D.

On the down side, I know of a few issues still being worked on in the current firmware for the 103D, which are not present in the 103. Typical teething pains for a new release. I fully expect OPPO will nail those quickly, but they still represent work in progress.

As usual, OPPO offers their easy, 30-day return policy. So you can try the 103D and make up your own mind after using it with the rest of your gear. All you risk is the shipping costs.
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Thanks Bob. I saw the other thread after my comment and realized youre probably just not a huge Darbee fan? Ive never seen it in action. Some rave it, some (like you I assume) want very little additional processing. Its getting time to upgrade my 83, so I thought I could get two birds...

What was the base level noise on HDMI issue?
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^ Not "noise" -- "noise reduction". The HDMI 1 output of the 103 includes a small amount of video "noise reduction" processing that can not be turned off. No such thing on the 103D.

Actually, I rather *LIKE* the Darbee result. I just feel that it should be used judiciously. Cranking it up all the way -- which turns out to be "120%", if you can get your mind around that -- will make the imagery look distinctly odd.

What I was saying in the post in the other thread is that if you want to leave Darbee ON all the time, then setting a lower percentage level is wise -- i.e., a "set and forget" setting.
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Not via HDMI-1 they don't. There's a little matter of NR on the 103 that's not imposed on the 103D. Via HDMI-2 they look the same.
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I understand 103d is based on Darbee DVP-5100. I already own 103 (Multi region) and would like to know is there any difference in PQ between 103d and 103 with DVP-5100 as stand alone unit. What are pros and cons?
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^ Not "noise" -- "noise reduction". The HDMI 1 output of the 103 includes a small amount of video "noise reduction" processing that can not be turned off. No such thing on the 103D.

Actually, I rather *LIKE* the Darbee result. I just feel that it should be used judiciously. Cranking it up all the way -- which turns out to be "120%", if you can get your mind around that -- will make the imagery look distinctly odd.

What I was saying in the post in the other thread is that if you want to leave Darbee ON all the time, then setting a lower percentage level is wise -- i.e., a "set and forget" setting.
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Not via HDMI-1 they don't. There's a little matter of NR on the 103 that's not imposed on the 103D. Via HDMI-2 they look the same.

Is this allegedly small amount of noise reduction noticeable with either HD or SD material under normal viewing conditions?
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I understand 103d is based on Darbee DVP-5100. I already own 103 (Multi region) and would like to know is there any difference in PQ between 103d and 103 with DVP-5100 as stand alone unit. What are pros and cons?

I don't have the separate Darblet so can only go by other's comments. The image result should be the same, the processing is identical.

Advantages of a separate box: you can move it around, attach it to different displays, run multiple inputs through it. (Although the OPPO has two HDMI inputs, supports the Roku Streaming Stick, etc).

Advantages of the -103D: it's convenient to have it built in if the player is central to your setup. Reading the Darblet thread owners sometimes report a bit of flakiness with the unit's HDMI and power, but I have seen nothing like that in the -103D.

The -103D is in a sense a videophile edition of the -103. If your emphasis is on lower quality sources (like certain online streams and media files) then I would skip it. If you are trying to get most out of high quality Blu-rays, DVDs and better network sources, then I would pay the extra $100. Or get the separate darblet if you want that flexibility.

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Is this allegedly small amount of noise reduction noticeable with either HD or SD material under normal viewing conditions?

Some people say so. The effect seemed so small to me that I didn't put any effort into trying to diagnose it. Easier just to switch to HDMI2 if video processing is worrisome. Mediatek alone does a rather fine job these days.

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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

I don't have the separate Darblet so can only go by other's comments. The image result should be the same, the processing is identical.

Advantages of a separate box: you can move it around, attach it to different displays, run multiple inputs through it. (Although the OPPO has two HDMI inputs, supports the Roku Streaming Stick, etc).

Advantages of the -103D: it's convenient to have it built in if the player is central to your setup. Reading the Darblet thread owners sometimes report a bit of flakiness with the unit's HDMI and power, but I have seen nothing like that in the -103D.

The -103D is in a sense a videophile edition of the -103. If your emphasis is on lower quality sources (like certain online streams and media files) then I would skip it. If you are trying to get most out of high quality Blu-rays, DVDs and better network sources, then I would pay the extra $100. Or get the separate darblet if you want that flexibility.

-Bill
Though it might be a bit cumbersome in use, there is the option of sending HDMI2 out from the 103/103D for audio to the AVR, HDMI1 out from the 103/103D direct to the TV, and HDMI out from the AVR into one of the 103/103D's HDMI inputs. This would allow one to use all the video processing in the 103/103D for all sources, but would probably be a bit cumbersome as the Oppo players always reset the input selection to the "Bluray player" input when the power is cycled. There would also be some amount of potential for lip sync issues in this sort of arrangement, but I do recall at least a few people reporting success in using this sort of configuration earlier in this thread.
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