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post #13411 of 21148 Old 11-30-2013, 10:49 AM
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I had this issue as well. Since I tend to use both complex and strong passwords it might have been behind this as the Oppo might be having problems with special characters, passwords with more than 16 characters etc.

So, I just created another user oppo with the same password for SMB access, it works flawlessly.
I tried a user with a simpler password and it worked the first time, but fails every time after. Hmph. Everything seems to work with my PC over SMB, so the problem is just between the app and my NAS.
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I have a layer change question for BPD-103 owners. While watching Star Trek: Into Darkness on my BDP-83, I noticed (for the second time in a newer movie) the layer change. There was a brief pause... less than 1 second. It was repeatable and always occurred at the same spot. It's something that I am sensitive to. I've not noticed it in Blu-ray's until very recently. This is the second title I noticed it on (I can't remember the first, but I had hoped it was that disc and not something I'd see on other discs). In both cases, the discs are full retail versions I purchased, not rentals, and free of any visible defects.

Has anyone else noticed slower layer changes on the BDP-103? I'm wondering if it's a result of more complex copy protection and a (comparatively) slower processor in the BDP-83. I'd love to read anyone's input, theories, or if they are even experiencing this problem. If the BDP-103 isn't experiencing this, it may be time for an upgrade.

I held off on the BDP-103 because there was a time where the QDEO video processing was not able to be disabled entirely (apparently, it was always on but users could control the "level" of processing). Was that ever corrected via firmware?

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I have a layer change question for BPD-103 owners. While watching Star Trek: Into Darkness on my BDP-83, I noticed (for the second time in a newer movie) the layer change. There was a brief pause... less than 1 second. It was repeatable and always occurred at the same spot. It's something that I am sensitive to. I've not noticed it in Blu-ray's until very recently. This is the second title I noticed it on (I can't remember the first, but I had hoped it was that disc and not something I'd see on other discs). In both cases, the discs are full retail versions I purchased, not rentals, and free of any visible defects.
I have this Blu-ray disc... Approximately what time are you seeing the layer change, so I can check it?

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Hi Guys!

i have seen that the 23.976 frame rate change is a little bit buggy…….tried 5 movies today and 3-4 times out go 10 it doesn't change to the right framerate it stutters as hell.

and the subtitle PGS is also a little bit buggy its there from the beginning and then it can disappear and then it comes back.

well well at least it works most of the times!wink.gif……hope OPPO is keeping an eye on this i know its a beta release.
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Hi Guys!

i have seen that the 23.976 frame rate change is a little bit buggy…….tried 5 movies today and 3-4 times out go 10 it doesn't change to the right framerate it stutters as hell.

and the subtitle PGS is also a little bit buggy its there from the beginning and then it can disappear and then it comes back.

well well at least it works most of the times!wink.gif……hope OPPO is keeping an eye on this i know its a beta release.
It helps if you report your experiences directly to Oppo.

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Thanks for that. I should have noted the time, and I didn't. I'll try to dig it up tonight post it then. I think it was around the time they had John Harrison just coming on board.
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Hi Guys!

i have seen that the 23.976 frame rate change is a little bit buggy…….tried 5 movies today and 3-4 times out go 10 it doesn't change to the right framerate it stutters as hell.

and the subtitle PGS is also a little bit buggy its there from the beginning and then it can disappear and then it comes back.

well well at least it works most of the times!wink.gif……hope OPPO is keeping an eye on this i know its a beta release.

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I think I found a problem with the OPPO and XBox One.

Tell me if any of you have seen this.

I have the XBox One plugged into the HDMI in back on the OPPO.

Everything works fine connected to my Seiki 50" 4K TV on the HDMI1 Out.

On the HDMI2 Out I have it plugged into my Marantz nr1603 for sound processing.

I have an Optoma Projector connected to the HDMI Monitor/Out on the Marantz.

As soon as I turn on the projector and it syncs up, I see the image and the sound is still fine, but the images stutters, like maybe a frame a second.

The XBox One interface is similarly laggy in response, so I'm guessing it's affecting the XBox One somehow???

I'll contact XBox One, OPPO and Marantz to see what they think, but that will probably take forever.

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Hi, new here...

 

Im just about to pull the trigger on the 103. Couple of questions....

 

I have to use the analog 7.1 outputs to my AVR (HK-245).... HDMI's are not active... By using the analogs, should I assume I will need to reconfigure the surround speakers via the oppo, or will the configuration from the AVR done with the michrophone still work?

 

Also, I have a seperate AVR,external amp and speakers for music listening only. Currently I use a seperate CD player for it.

 

Will I be able to use the digital audio coax to this AVR for music input and use the analog 7.1 to the other AVR for blu ray/dvd watching? Im wanting to replace 2 players with the oppo bdp-103 using 2 different outputs to 2 different AVR's. Im thinking it will work, but also wondering if using the digital coax output for music listening if sound quality will be lost....

 

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Hi, new here...

Im just about to pull the trigger on the 103. Couple of questions....

I have to use the analog 7.1 outputs to my AVR (HK-245).... HDMI's are not active... By using the analogs, should I assume I will need to reconfigure the surround speakers via the oppo, or will the configuration from the AVR done with the michrophone still work?

None of the AVRs EQ or setup or bass management will function on the multi-channel inputs.
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Also, I have a seperate AVR,external amp and speakers for music listening only. Currently I use a seperate CD player for it.

Will I be able to use the digital audio coax to this AVR for music input and use the analog 7.1 to the other AVR for blu ray/dvd watching? Im wanting to replace 2 players with the oppo bdp-103 using 2 different outputs to 2 different AVR's. Im thinking it will work, but also wondering if using the digital coax output for music listening if sound quality will be lost....

All player outputs are active all the time, so yes. There's no quality "lost" by using the spdif output from the player, but you should try different setups and see what you like the best. Note: spdif outs cannot be used for SACD or DVD-A, this is a licensing restriction.
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From p. 34 of your manual, it looks like there is no bass management (no crossover, no delay) applied when you are using 6 or 8-channel direct (analog) inputs, but it's not clear whether the levels of the different speakers retain the settings you have obtained with the microphone automatic setup procedure.

Concerning your last questions, all of the audio outputs from the 103 are always simultaneously active. All of the digital outputs will produce the same results from CDs, but hi-resolution soundtracks from BluRays or SACD/DVD-Audio discs get downsampled to CD-quality over digital coax. The question of whether you'll get better sound quality on CDs through the Oppo's analog outputs versus a digital coax output will depend in part on whether your AVR or the Oppo has the better DAC. Hard to say... Try it both ways and see if you notice a difference.

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Thank you kindly for the replies.  I know its fairy obvious that I havent upgraded my set up in a while. My HK-245 has a 10/2008 build date, hence inactive HDMI ports.... my TV is a 50" SONY Grand Wega LCD.... input is DVI I use a HDMI/DVI adapter for video...I know, I know....its embarrasing....however, the usage hours are so low on the TV, that its really  hard to just "dump" it for a new TV. Its a hard pill to swallow paying over $3,000. for a TV (when it was all the rage), to now not even being able to sell it for a couple of hundred bucks!! uuuggg!!!

 

At any rate, the TV is 1080i capable, so I should be able to see improvement through the Oppo over the Samsung I use now....which wont play all the blu rays I put in it for whatever reason??? Seems blu ray recordings by Universal wont play at all....

 

As far as my audio system....same thing....it needs updating!! Im using a SONY DVP-NS 75H.....its got a few years on it!! Again, I know the Oppo will be an improvement over my old technology!!

 

Thanks again for answering my seemingly "dumb" questions. Im off to order my Oppo BDP-103....


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Using the latest firmware (BDP10X-67-1120B) I can no longer see JRiver MC18 as a DLNA server.

The PGS subs in MKVs do not work when content is pushed to the Oppo using a Media Controller frown.gif

I'm trying to see if PGS subs work when pulling via DLNA, but as of now JRiver is no longer visible (interesting Windows Media Player is, but it won't support MKVs by default and I'd rather not use it anyway)

Going to try PS3 Media Server to see if it at least shows up so I can narrow this down to JRiver.

CONFIRMED: PS3 Media Server works fine and PGS subs over DLNA in MKV files work.

Again - bummer that as a DMR, PGS subs do not work...
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Using the latest firmware (BDP10X-67-1120B) I can no longer see JRiver MC18 as a DLNA server.

The PGS subs in MKVs do not work when content is pushed to the Oppo using a Media Controller frown.gif

I'm trying to see if PGS subs work when pulling via DLNA, but as of now JRiver is no longer visible (interesting Windows Media Player is, but it won't support MKVs by default and I'd rather not use it anyway)

Going to try PS3 Media Server to see if it at least shows up so I can narrow this down to JRiver.

CONFIRMED: PS3 Media Server works fine and PGS subs over DLNA in MKV files work.

Again - bummer that as a DMR, PGS subs do not work...

This is because the PS3 Media Server software is doing the encoding or transcoding the file, subtitles included, correct? Isn't the goal for the Oppo to do the processing, not PS3 Media Server? Or does that not matter, quality wise?

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This is because the PS3 Media Server software is doing the encoding or transcoding the file, subtitles included, correct? Isn't the goal for the Oppo to do the processing, not PS3 Media Server? Or does that not matter, quality wise?

Nope. I confirmed via logs (and also settings) that no transcoding takes place for MKV files.

No - seems consistent that when I browse using the Oppo and then start playback PGS subs work. When using a media controller, it just doesn't work (yet; oppo wrote back (on a Sunday no less!) that it may be added in the future).

PS3 Media Server makes an already poor Oppo UI experience even worse.

For now, I'll continue to use JRiver/JRemote (iOS)/Gizmo (Andriod) and keep fingers crossed the subs eventually work via this method

The chapter forward issue can be worked around two ways -- either first play a file using Oppo UI and skipping a chapter (subsequently all chapter skips work) or just using the Goto button.
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Before I contact Oppo,the question is this.I forgot my 103 on for 2 days and when I went to shut down the unit,nothing on the remote ( with new batteries)worked, but the "Open" button and the screen said "Oppo Blu-ray" plus their insignia on my Panny screen.I must hold "On" switch on 103 to turn off or on…..OR UNPLUG IT,when nothing else works.Even then, when unit turns back on I'm back at "Oppo Blu-ray"screen….unit seems BRICKED or STUCK ? Had this 103 since 1/13,1st problem,never did a "firmware update" thought all was good till today.Could have my 103 "OD'D" locked up and DIED:eek: And yes I replaced all my HDMI cables new:) Thank you for any direction/help.
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Before I contact Oppo,the question is this.I forgot my 103 on for 2 days and when I went to shut down the unit,nothing on the remote ( with new batteries)worked, but the "Open" button and the screen said "Oppo Blu-ray" plus their insignia on my Panny screen.I must hold "On" switch on 103 to turn off or on…..OR UNPLUG IT,when nothing else works.Even then, when unit turns back on I'm back at "Oppo Blu-ray"screen….unit seems BRICKED or STUCK ? Had this 103 since 1/13,1st problem,never did a "firmware update" thought all was good till today.Could have my 103 "OD'D" locked up and DIED:eek: And yes I replaced all my HDMI cables new:) Thank you for any direction/help.

 

This sounds almost exactly like what happened to me - though I didn't leave mine on for 2 days. Unfortunately, I had to return it and had it replaced as it was still under warranty. This was back on either the original firmware or one released soon after (i.e. Dec 2012).

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Before I contact Oppo,the question is this.I forgot my 103 on for 2 days and when I went to shut down the unit,nothing on the remote ( with new batteries)worked, but the "Open" button and the screen said "Oppo Blu-ray" plus their insignia on my Panny screen.I must hold "On" switch on 103 to turn off or on…..OR UNPLUG IT,when nothing else works.Even then, when unit turns back on I'm back at "Oppo Blu-ray"screen….unit seems BRICKED or STUCK ? Had this 103 since 1/13,1st problem,never did a "firmware update" thought all was good till today.Could have my 103 "OD'D" locked up and DIED:eek: And yes I replaced all my HDMI cables new:) Thank you for any direction/help.

Here is some basic troubleshooting
Disconnect all cables from the player, including the HDMI, analog, and power cables. If your player was hardware modified to support alternative regions, please try removing this kit and returning the player to stock.

Press and hold the POWER button on the front panel of the player for 5 seconds. Release.

Reconnect just the power cable, connecting it direct toy our walled power outlet, bypassing any switch, power conditioner or transformer.

Press POWER.

Does the POWER LED go BLUE and the player shows HELLO, then OPPO then HOME MENU on the front panel of the player?

If this does not work, then the player will need to be repaired.
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THANK YOU,Neuromancer,and all the others for replying .I tried all that was suggested,ALAS I'm S O L ….Lol tongue.gif time to contact Oppo C/S when I awake:eek: …I love this thread:D
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Just a quick update in the interests of completeness. I finally had the time to dig out the HDMI cable attached between the Oppo and the Yamaha and the cable was 12'. I had a 6' cable on hand and luckily it was long enough....but just barely. The blanking has reduced significantly although I still get an occasional blank. Typically early when I start watching but sometimes later. But nowhere near the previous level.

This is an older 6' cable and I'll pursue looking for newer 6' cable as described by the responses.

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I have a couple of questions I've looked for the answer to and not absolutely found:

1) I have a Dish receiver connected to a Marantz 6007 then to the Panny Plasma. Would I get advantages by running the Dish signal through the Oppo BDP-103 (and then to the Marantz/Panny)?

2) Near as I can tell there is no way to stream 3D Blu Ray .iso files through a wired network using the BDP-103. Is that also true for 2D Blu Ray .iso(s)? Will 3D .mkv(s) work?

thanks for any help.
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I have a couple of questions I've looked for the answer to and not absolutely found:

1) I have a Dish receiver connected to a Marantz 6007 then to the Panny Plasma. Would I get advantages by running the Dish signal through the Oppo BDP-103 (and then to the Marantz/Panny)?

2) Near as I can tell there is no way to stream 3D Blu Ray .iso files through a wired network using the BDP-103. Is that also true for 2D Blu Ray .iso(s)? Will 3D .mkv(s) work?

thanks for any help.

 

I can not speak specifically to your set up, but I can tell you that one of the reasons I went with the 103 was to take advantage of the video processor to upscale a 1080i video signal from a TW DVR to 1080p out to my Panny ZT60. There is a noticeable improvement to PQ, and that was my goal.

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I can not speak specifically to your set up, but I can tell you that one of the reasons I went with the 103 was to take advantage of the video processor to upscale a 1080i video signal from a TW DVR to 1080p out to my Panny ZT60. There is a noticeable improvement to PQ, and that was my goal.

Interesting viewpoint. I have noticed that Netflix from the Oppo is superior to Netflix via the TV app; and assumed it was do to the upscaling as well. I may have to shift the DVR HDMI output to the Oppo to test further - thanks.
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Interesting viewpoint. I have noticed that Netflix from the Oppo is superior to Netflix via the TV app; and assumed it was do to the upscaling as well. I may have to shift the DVR HDMI output to the Oppo to test further - thanks.
Be sure to set the DVR to output "native" to feed the Oppo, if possible. You want to feed 720p source as 720p to the Oppo and let it upconvert to 1080p. Same with 1080i source as 1080i into the Oppo. You do not want to have the DVR do any conversion itself of 720p to 1080i or 1080p, feeding that upconverted 1080i/1080p to the Oppo. You want the original untouched 720p or 1080i going to the Oppo just as it is.

Ideally, a "native" setting if available does this automatically and is obviously the ideal arrangement if possible.

Otherwise, if "native" is not available, you still want to have things work this way (i.e. feeding the Oppo untouched 720p and 1080i source) even if you have to intervene manually to change the output resolution of your DVR to reflect the original source program resolution when you tune the DVR to a channel that's 720p or 1080i. Obviously having to do it manually is a pain, but if you want to see OPTIMAL VISUAL RESULTS you really do want to eliminate all devices but the Oppo in the upconversion-to-1080p process.
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Be sure to set the DVR to output "native" to feed the Oppo, if possible. You want to feed 720p source as 720p to the Oppo and let it upconvert to 1080p. Same with 1080i source as 1080i into the Oppo. You do not want to have the DVR do any conversion itself of 720p to 1080i or 1080p, feeding that upconverted 1080i/1080p to the Oppo. You want the original untouched 720p or 1080i going to the Oppo just as it is.

Ideally, a "native" setting if available does this automatically and is obviously the ideal arrangement if possible.

Otherwise, if "native" is not available, you still want to have things work this way (i.e. feeding the Oppo untouched 720p and 1080i source) even if you have to intervene manually to change the output resolution of your DVR to reflect the original source program resolution when you tune the DVR to a channel that's 720p or 1080i. Obviously having to do it manually is a pain, but if you want to see OPTIMAL VISUAL RESULTS you really do want to eliminate all devices but the Oppo in the upconversion-to-1080p process.

That all makes sense. I see that the "recommended" setup is HDMI1 to the TV, and HDMI2 to the AVR. If I do that, I will not be able to "see" setup screens or see the volume bar from the Marantz 6007 AVR, as it is out of the video loop. I would have to run a separate HDMI from the AVR to the TV just for settings. Is there any issue with sending both Oppo HDMI1/2 outputs to the AVR, and from there to the TV? I think I can assign the inputs accordingly on the Marantz.

This stuff was a lot easier in the "old days".
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^^ You can run one cable from HDMI1 OR HDMI2 out directly to the AVR and then let the AVR do the routing. With the 103, I suspect that is how many (perhaps even most) of us are doing it. When you do the upconversion in the Oppo, you will always be feeding 1080p into the AVR, so it is unlikely that the AVR will do anything with it at all, aside from adding the overlays for the OSD - so the AVR is unlikely to do anything nasty to your hard-won picture quality unless it is a real crappy AVR.

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That all makes sense. I see that the "recommended" setup is HDMI1 to the TV, and HDMI2 to the AVR. If I do that, I will not be able to "see" setup screens or see the volume bar from the Marantz 6007 AVR, as it is out of the video loop. I would have to run a separate HDMI from the AVR to the TV just for settings. Is there any issue with sending both Oppo HDMI1/2 outputs to the AVR, and from there to the TV?
As LairdWilliams explained, there's really no harm in just passing HDMI-1 out of the Oppo (now upconverted to 1080p and "cleaned up" by the Oppo) to your AVR and let the AVR simply then deliver sound to the speakers and picture to the TV (via HDMI from AVR to the TV). And as you've surmised, only if the AVR feeds the HDTV will any OSD output from the AVR be visible on the TV screen, so this arrangement has its obvious advantage.

Assuming a modern AVR there should be zero difference in audio no matter whether you deliver decoded-to-LPCM from Oppo to the AVR on that single HDMI cable, or still-encoded bitrstream to the AVR and let the decoding occur there in the AVR. And the AVR shouldn't be configured to do anything to the picture received from the Oppo, but rather just pass it on to the HDTV exactly as received.

The conceptual difference in the Oppo concerning HDMI-1 or HDMI-2 outputs pertains to whether the QDEO video processing (i.e. "cleanup") is active or not. It's not active on HDMI-2, which kind of defeats lots of the purpose of running 720p/1080i HDTV from the DVR output through the Oppo. Both HDMI-1 and HDMI-2 handle upconversion to 1080p, but the additional QDEO processing is only effective out of HDMI-1.

So I'd agree with the suggestion of just using HDMI-1 and a single cable to the AVR, for both audio and video output from the Oppo. That's actually what I do as well, when I want to listen to sound via the speakers connected to the AVR. In fact, my AVR has two HDMI outputs, so I use it to route picture to either of the two HDTV's I have connected to the AVR.

I specifically use HDMI-2 out of the Oppo to feed decoded-to-LPCM audio-only via HDMI to my external headphone audio system... that does NOT go through the AVR. In this arrangement (triggered by "Split A/V" in the Oppo), when the external headphone system is powered on so that the HDMI-2 connection is "active", now the Oppo sends video-only out HDMI-1 (to my AVR and then on via HDMI from AVR to my HDTV) and decoded multi-channel LPCM audio-only out HDMI-2 to the external headphone system (which accepts decoded multi-channel LPCM via HDMI). So when using my external headphone system I can benefit from the Oppo doing the decoding of any audio source... DD5.1 from HDTV or lossless audio from BluRay... and delivering discrete multi-channel LPCM audio via HDMI to the headphone system, via HDMI-2 out of the Oppo.

Other than this specific use of HDMI-2 for audio only when I want to listen through headphones, with normal speaker listening and a decent AVR there's no reason not to just deliver video and audio from HDMI-1 out of the Oppo to the AVR, and then let the AVR handle the rest. In fact I have my Oppo set to always deliver LPCM audio (even out of HDMI-1 to the AVR when listening to speakers), since my AVR can accept that as well. In this configuration the AVR just doesn't need to do any decoding as it's already been done by the Oppo... same as out of HDMI-2 to my headphone system when listening that way.
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Ok, so reading through the last few posts, Im a little confused regarding connections for my particular situation...... My AVR is a little older and only uses pass through HDMI ports...... Can I simply connect from HDMI 1 directly to the TV,(by passing the AVR) while using 7.1 analog connections for audio to the AVR?...... also, does the Oppo have its own OSD for the set up? My HK OSD is not working at this point....it comes on the screen for a split second, then disappears so I cannot navigate any menus....BUT, my guess is I shouldnt need the OSD from the AVR correct?

 

Im waiting for my 103 to arrive, so today I decided to play around a little with my current set up....  In hopes of connecting the Oppo via digital coax for music Cd listening, using the pre amp outs to an external amp with acompannying speakers, I tried it today with my Samsung blu ray. I cannot get it to work properly.....I keep getting sound through the front L&R surround speakers as well as through the speakers ran through the external amp. I have selected surround off mode on the AVR, but the problem persists. Currently I have all the 7.1 speaker outputs connected for movie watching.

 

My goal is to eliminate having to use 2 receivers and 2 seperate Cd/DVD players. When the Oppo arrives I want to run the analogs to the 7.1 inputs on the AVR for movie watching. In turn, I want to connect the digital coax out from the Oppo to the digital coax  in on the AVR, outputting through the pre amp out to my external amp/speakers.

 

Is there some possiblity that when I connect the oppo using the analog inputs on the AVR that the problem will go away?  Why isnt the AVR bypassing the surround speakers totally since the pre amp out is in use?

 

Im really, really sorry for the questions.... Im a novice when it comes to some of this. I wanted to begin building a better system and figured the Oppo is a great place to begin upgrading......


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Ok, so reading through the last few posts, Im a little confused regarding connections for my particular situation...... My AVR is a little older and only uses pass through HDMI ports...... Can I simply connect from HDMI 1 directly to the TV,(by passing the AVR)
Yes. All benefits of Oppo video processing and upconversion to 1080p will be delivered to your HDTV.

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Yes. The Oppo will decode the audio and deliver it to its 7.1 analog audio outputs, for connection to your sound system's 7.1 analog audio inputs.

If you're playing 2-channel stereo audio CD, then you'll get the L/R outputs of the Oppo active to your audio system. For other multi-channel audio (e.g. BluRay lossless/lossy, or DVR DD5.1 fed through the Oppo, you'll get analog output on whatever channels are present in the digital audio source... decoded by the Oppo and fed to its analog outputs.

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Yes. You'll see it on the TV to which HDMI-1 is connected, if that's how you're feeding video to your TV.

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My HK OSD is not working at this point....it comes on the screen for a split second, then disappears so I cannot navigate any menus....BUT, my guess is I shouldnt need the OSD from the AVR correct?
If you don't need to see any setup OSD from your AVR, then this problem will not be an issue. But I would think you'd certainly want to be able to see OSD from the AVR, unless it also has a front panel display that provides equivalent functionality.

But the setup for the Oppo is certainly the most important OSD you will be wanting in your new world. And that will definitely be seen via HDMI-1 to your TV.

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My goal is to eliminate having to use 2 receivers and 2 seperate Cd/DVD players. When the Oppo arrives I want to run the analogs to the 7.1 inputs on the AVR for movie watching. In turn, I want to connect the digital coax out from the Oppo to the digital coax  in on the AVR, outputting through the pre amp out to my external amp/speakers.
Why do you need to feed the digital coax output of the Oppo anywhere? As you say, why do you need two AVR's??

The analog outputs of the Oppo will present the analog decoded versions of whatever discrete channels are present in the digital source, 2, 5.1, or 7.1. So the one AVR sound system you feed it to will produce the correct sound for that source. The Oppo is your one and only audio/video player and audio decoder now, if you want to use it that way, and you would use it to play digital audio from movies as well as audio CDs feeding decoded discrete multi-channel audio out from its analog outputs to the analog inputs of your one AVR and sound system.

Clearer now??
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