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post #14131 of 21148 Old 01-08-2014, 11:33 AM
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If sound is an issue, leave your Oppo on all the time. It sounds a little harsh the first half hour, and opens up all the way to a full day or two. Probably the easiest and cheapest tweak for improving the sound~
I haven't ever noticed anything like this on my BDP-103. Sounds exactly the same to me when I power it up as it does many hours later. I mean, we're not talking about a product with tubes in it, this is solid state electronics.
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Everytime I read the word "harsh," I think of fingernails on a chalkboard. eek.gif

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Harshness isn't there, or shouldn't be there every time a horn instrument is recorded playing higher notes.  It would depend on many things before it ever got to your system, where speakers would have the lion's share of responsibility regarding harshness.  I would have doubts that a modern AVR would ever add brightness or harshness, don't believe everything you read.
If the harshness is there LIVE, then it dang well ought to be there when played back. You ever been in a live band concert before?

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I'm trying to set up a new Harmony Touch with my Oppo BDP103 & Simaudio P5 preamp. The only choices that show up for both units are not the correct ones. The Oppo shows up as a home theater & the simaudio preamp shows up as an A/V receiver. Both will need major modifications if I would choose them. I see that others have said that the Oppo BDP103 shows up, but is it showing up as a DVD player or something else?
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It should be available under their category of "Mini System". Evidently they had to do that since their disc player category does not envisage a world where a disc player might have "inputs" that need to be selected.
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Playing music through the USB port on the Oppo BDP103 requires having the TV on to navigate the file system. The Oppo android app has no function to do this as I would have expected. Is there another way to make this operation less painful? It would help if there was a way to create more than one playlist. Anyone have any ideas? Or an app for this?
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The Android app you've found was actually designed around the limited app communication capabilities of the 93/95 players. There's a newer iOS app specifically for the 103/105/103D that should make this easier for you. An Android version of that is planned but not released yet.
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Thanks Bob, I installed it on an old iphone. It took some time to find the oppo, but it works.
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It should be available under their category of "Mini System". Evidently they had to do that since their disc player category does not envisage a world where a disc player might have "inputs" that need to be selected.
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Sounds reasonable for the Oppo, but they must have updated the Simaudio P5 since I set up my Harmony One. Originally it was correct with all the good controls.
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^ If you use Quick Start mode in the 103, you will want to use the USB 2 jack on the back panel for this. With Quick Start the USB 1 jack on the pack panel remains powered even while the player is "OFF". This is to keep the Wifi dongle live when plugged in to USB 1. If you use Energy Efficient mode then all the jacks power down when the player is "OFF".
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Thanks Bob, got it working.  I had a couple of old cables in the bottom of my cable box that I was able to splice together for a working solution.  For anyone curious, a typical USB cable has 4 wires plus two kinds of shield.  To splice with a mini jack cable you need to know that the red wire is 5 volts positive and the black is ground.  The other 2 are for communication so for this application can be isolated and taped up and the shields are not needed so can be nipped off.  But I'd double check any info and make sure you are comfortable doing this, YMMV.  It worked fine this way for me, thanks again to all.

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Playing music through the USB port on the Oppo BDP103 requires having the TV on to navigate the file system. The Oppo android app has no function to do this as I would have expected. Is there another way to make this operation less painful? It would help if there was a way to create more than one playlist. Anyone have any ideas? Or an app for this?
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The Android app you've found was actually designed around the limited app communication capabilities of the 93/95 players. There's a newer iOS app specifically for the 103/105/103D that should make this easier for you. An Android version of that is planned but not released yet.
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The Media Control App for Android is available for download now via the Oppo support page. Has been for a while. wink.gif
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Ditto here. Even with a new Pioneer Elite SC-77, which others also claim is "harsh" until it "burns in".
This kinds of stuff is exactly why I cringe at anyone claiming that I am some kind of audiophile. That word comes with WAAY too much cork-sniffing associations these days. What the heck does "harsh" mean, anyway? Esthers of leather and tobacco?

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Just got one of these today.... Was wondering the best way to connect it to take full advantage to the audio and video.
My devices are:
TV
Comcast box
Pioneer receiver
Apple TV
Since my receiver was about as much as this oppo and 3 years old in want take advantage of the oppo.
Can someone walk me through the best setup?
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It should be available under their category of "Mini System". Evidently they had to do that since their disc player category does not envisage a world where a disc player might have "inputs" that need to be selected.
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Just got one of these today.... Was wondering the best way to connect it to take full advantage to the audio and video.
My devices are:
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Comcast box
Pioneer receiver
Apple TV
Since my receiver was about as much as this oppo and 3 years old in want take advantage of the oppo.
Can someone walk me through the best setup?
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Hook the TV to the HDMI 1 out. Hook the Pioneer receiver to HDMI 2 out unless you want to use the Oppo as a preamp. If you want to do that hook the receiver to the multi channel audio outs and adjust the audio accordingly. Hook the Comcast box and the Apple TV to HDMI inputs.

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For those not hearing a difference over a half hour from turn on, I would guess that some have higher resolution stereo equipment, or perhaps simply listen more definitively than others. It sounds harsh compared to when it hits it's operating level, simple fact. If you listen to mostly DVD's, it would not be as noticeable as music. Any stereo electronics, no matter what level, takes about a half an hour to start opening up for technical reasons that I would guess are of no interest to those not hearing a difference between turn on and an hour or a day later. My suggestion for leaving them on was for those wishing to hear more of what the Oppo's are capable of. It is a free "tweak". Oppo's are sonically incredible sounding pieces of equipment for those wanting a high level of audio performance, in addition to all the video capabilities at their price point.

Sonic improvement didn't seem to slow many of us down back when we had to pay $400 to upgrade an 83 to an 83SE simply for the audio upgraded performance. Oppo also has commented that many have heard a more musical result from attached wav or flac's than the original CD, which some computer guys on here stated wasn't possible. Leave in on for a day and take a listen to music. Rip one CD as a flac or wav on a thumb drive and plug it in. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.....

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New problem since I have switched to sending my directTV through the Oppo back input:

DirecttV (native) to Oppo 103 input on back (1080P) to Yamaha A3030 (pass through) to Panasonic P60GT30

Problem:
After switching back and forth between 2 channels several times over the course of the evening (using the previous channel function on the remote), The picture begins to stutter (very noticeable on scrolling score bar on the bottom of the screen during a football game). The fix is to shut down the Oppo and then turn it back on.

This never happened when I left the Oppo out of the chain in the past.

Any ideas? ....I already tried resetting the Oppo and reapplying my settings.
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Different A/V sync delay depending on the source material ??

In an earlier post I mentioned that my TV (a Sony) seems to have an input frame buffer of two frames. This means that when it is playing Blu-ray material at 24fps the input buffer requires 83mSec to fill, whereas when it is playing PAL DVD material at 50Hz the input buffer requires only 40mSec to fill.

So my question is if it is possible for the Oppo to have two different A/V sync delay settings that are selected depending on whether the unit is playing a Blu-Ray or a DVD ??
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New problem since I have switched to sending my directTV through the Oppo back input:

DirecttV (native) to Oppo 103 input on back (1080P) to Yamaha A3030 (pass through) to Panasonic P60GT30

Problem:
After switching back and forth between 2 channels several times over the course of the evening (using the previous channel function on the remote), The picture begins to stutter (very noticeable on scrolling score bar on the bottom of the screen during a football game). The fix is to shut down the Oppo and then turn it back on.

This never happened when I left the Oppo out of the chain in the past.

Any ideas? ....I already tried resetting the Oppo and reapplying my settings.

When that happens, try just switching the Oppo to "blu-ray player" input then back to HDMI again, that should resolve it. As to why it does that, I'll refer you to Oppo support.
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Any stereo electronics, no matter what level, takes about a half an hour to start opening up for technical reasons that I would guess are of no interest to those not hearing a difference between turn on and an hour or a day later.

Which components need to "warm up?" Coils? Capacitors? Maybe the resistors need to warm up to their full potential of resisting.

As an electronics tech, I never told a pilot to turn on my gear for a half hour to warm it up so it performs at spec.

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What disc is it?
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I believe there is a HDCD on/on in the setup menu. Try that?

Edit- beat me to it

HDCD decoding on the player was turned on. I don't think that should have anything to do with whether the player could identify the CD layer, as even with HDCD encoding it is supposed to be compatible with any CD player. My AVR does not have HDCD decoding.

The disc is Elgar - Enigma Variations Vaughn Williams - Greensleeves/The Wasps Michael Stern Kansas City Symphony RR-129SACD from Reference Recordings.
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My source is -- well -- ME! I've confirmed the problem exists and reported it to OPPO through Beta Tester channels. I've got no info yet on whether this has been diagnosed as an authoring error on the disc or a processing error in the player.

The problem shows as gross sync error that actually gets worse quite quickly, and also corruption of the test tones.

As I said above, there's no problem with LPCM output of the TrueHD test tack, and also no problem with either Bitstream or LPCM output of the DTS-HD MA test track on S&M2.

The DVE HD Basics, Blu-ray, also has a sync test that uses a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track, and that sync test has no such problem. So whatever's going on here with S&M2 does not affect all Bitstream output of TrueHD tracks.
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This appears to have been corrected with the latest beta firmware (or prior).
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Different A/V sync delay depending on the source material ??

In an earlier post I mentioned that my TV (a Sony) seems to have an input frame buffer of two frames. This means that when it is playing Blu-ray material at 24fps the input buffer requires 83mSec to fill, whereas when it is playing PAL DVD material at 50Hz the input buffer requires only 40mSec to fill.

So my question is if it is possible for the Oppo to have two different A/V sync delay settings that are selected depending on whether the unit is playing a Blu-Ray or a DVD ??

My latest measurements of A/V synchronization suggest that there is more in play than simply a 1 or 2 frame buffer at the TV. I haven't measured every possibility yet. These measurements are all audio advanced ahead of the video in microseconds. I'm on BDP10X-68-1225B firmware.

HDMI 1 to video/HDMI 2 to audio Split A/V:

Bitstream DTS-HD MA w/24p 115ms

Bitstream DTS-HD MA w/60p (3/2 pulldown) 55-60ms*

LPCM DTS-HD MA w/24p 65-70 ms

LPCM DTS-HD MA w/60p (3/2 pulldown) 20-25ms*

Bitstream DD True HD w/24p 35-40 ms*

Bitstream DD True HD w/60p (3/2 pulldown) 40 ms*

LPCM DD True HD w/24p 120ms

LPCM DD True HD w/60p (3/2 pulldown) 40-45ms


HDMI 2 only (Tested only to check the Auto Sync function on my AVR. Results were identical with Auto Sync on and off revealing that my television does not support it.):

Bitstream DTS-HD MA w/24p 50ms

Bitstream DTS-HD MA w/60p (3/2 pulldown) 25ms

*These measurements are less certain on accuracy due to the interaction of the frame rate of the source and the frame rate of the device I measured with. They should still be accurate to less than a quarter of a frame.


The measurements I find particularly revealing in regards to any A/V synchronization error that may be being introduced by the Oppo itself is the difference between LPCM DTS-HD MA w/24p and LPCM DD True HD w/24p. Since the AVR should be receiving identical LPCM from both of these, there should be no difference in it's processing time which then points the finger at the Oppo for the difference in video or audio delay, or an error on my source disc - Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition Blu-ray.

Ultimately I have set my audio delay for on my AVR for the HDMI input from the Oppo to 110ms. This is based on keeping all the possibilities that I measured above within the "undetectability plateau" of -96ms to +22ms (- being audio delayed behind video, and + being audio advanced ahead of video). With variations in source material, this will hopefully keep everything within the detectability threshold of -125ms to +45ms.

I don't believe it is currently possible on the BDP-103 to set different A/V sync settings for Blu-ray and DVD. If your AVR has adjustable audio delays for different inputs, it might be possible to set up one for Blu-ray and one for DVD with the DVD input assigned to the same HDMI input at the Blu-ray. Or you could run a coaxial or optical digital cable to your AVR for playing DVDs. Either way, you could then switch delays simply by switching between Blu-ray and DVD inputs on your AVR. I use coaxial from the BDP-103 to my AVR for playing CDs, and I have 0 delay set on that input.
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New problem since I have switched to sending my directTV through the Oppo back input:

DirecttV (native) to Oppo 103 input on back (1080P) to Yamaha A3030 (pass through) to Panasonic P60GT30

Problem:
After switching back and forth between 2 channels several times over the course of the evening (using the previous channel function on the remote), The picture begins to stutter (very noticeable on scrolling score bar on the bottom of the screen during a football game). The fix is to shut down the Oppo and then turn it back on.

This never happened when I left the Oppo out of the chain in the past.

Any ideas? ....I already tried resetting the Oppo and reapplying my settings.

Check that the firmware in your 103 is up to date. In Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information look at the Main firmware version number.

The current "Official" firmware ends "1224". Even better, the current Public Beta firmware ends "1225B". (Public Beta firmware needs to be downloaded from the OPPO Digital site for installation via a USB stick.)

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

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Different A/V sync delay depending on the source material ??

In an earlier post I mentioned that my TV (a Sony) seems to have an input frame buffer of two frames. This means that when it is playing Blu-ray material at 24fps the input buffer requires 83mSec to fill, whereas when it is playing PAL DVD material at 50Hz the input buffer requires only 40mSec to fill.

So my question is if it is possible for the Oppo to have two different A/V sync delay settings that are selected depending on whether the unit is playing a Blu-Ray or a DVD ??

No. There is only the one setting in the OPPO 103, so you would have to change it Manually.

If you are passing the signal through an AVR, there may be flexibility to do this in the AVR.
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For some reason I am unable to access the CD layer on a Hybrid SACD disc. Pressing the AUDIO button on the remote switches between SACD DSD 5.1 and SACD DSD Stereo. Setting the SACD Priority to CD Mode results in SACD DSD Stereo. What am I missing?

My interest in playing the CD layer of this particular disc is that it is HDCD encoded, and I'd like to compare that to the DSD. I've tried another Hybrid SACD, on which the CD layer is not HDCD encoded, and I am able to play the CD layer on it.

Try power cycling the player after setting SACD Priority to CD mode. If that works, then also try ejecting the disc before changing to CD mode -- i.e., without power cycling afterwards.
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My source is -- well -- ME! I've confirmed the problem exists and reported it to OPPO through Beta Tester channels. I've got no info yet on whether this has been diagnosed as an authoring error on the disc or a processing error in the player.

The problem shows as gross sync error that actually gets worse quite quickly, and also corruption of the test tones.

As I said above, there's no problem with LPCM output of the TrueHD test tack, and also no problem with either Bitstream or LPCM output of the DTS-HD MA test track on S&M2.

The DVE HD Basics, Blu-ray, also has a sync test that uses a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track, and that sync test has no such problem. So whatever's going on here with S&M2 does not affect all Bitstream output of TrueHD tracks.
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This appears to have been corrected with the latest beta firmware (or prior).

Yes, that's correct. Bug fixed.
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Ditto here. Even with a new Pioneer Elite SC-77, which others also claim is "harsh" until it "burns in".
This kinds of stuff is exactly why I cringe at anyone claiming that I am some kind of audiophile. That word comes with WAAY too much cork-sniffing associations these days. What the heck does "harsh" mean, anyway? Esthers of leather and tobacco?

Thanks for your "cork-sniffing" analogy to the golden ear cohort, it reminded of the wonderful Ernie Kovacs character, Percy Dovetonsils. Percy's turf was literature but his schtick would have worked equally well as a sendup of extraordinarily keen-eared audiophiles. smile.gif
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Which components need to "warm up?" Coils? Capacitors? Maybe the resistors need to warm up to their full potential of resisting.

As an electronics tech, I never told a pilot to turn on my gear for a half hour to warm it up so it performs at spec.

For one thing, yes, capacitors affect sound over time from start up, especially those in the area of the power supply. I and other's have upgraded at times with audio gear by even replacing capacitors for sonic upgrade. There is a fundamental difference in quality of sound based on time running observed over a lifetime of listening to great gear including my tubed preamp (!) which I bypass to take the clear advantage of the great circuitry in the Oppo. Would guess that you don't deal with equipment in the higher end of the audio world or perhaps audio at all with your reference to "pilot". Even speaker wire has slight changes over time, and many make fun of that.

I am addressing those who have an interest in getting the most accurate and pleasing sound. Perhaps this would have fallen better in the 105 forum, as they spent a lot of money to simply improve the audio capabilities by relatively minute degrees. After over fifty years in the realm of critical listening and earlier years in symphonies and live music, I know there are more than a few who could care less and deride the great pleasures of those of us who seek the most musical realization from our system. If you think you will hear nothing, chances are you won't. Plenty of us have upgraded (fourth version of Oppo for me) because of the sonic as well as video improvements. Not sure how much is left internally running in quick start, as I use the other setting as I infrequently need to re-power to deal when a attached HDD wav file locks up. Different strokes for different folks...

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No, I have not dealt with the inner working of high-end audio electronics. I have been to the highest-level electronics school that the Navy has to offer. My reference to "pilot" was military pilot and equipment operators who used the equipment I maintained. Forward Looking Infrared. While not audio, it is video and there was no "warm up time" to begin doing tests on the equipment. I also worked on world-class semiconductor manufacturing machines. While not audio, these machines had to be accurate to 10 microns (at least when I still worked there). Again, no warm up time.

Maybe $10K speaker cables do make a difference, to you. For me, my old Monster cable sounds wonderful, to me. And I have a 105.

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