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I want to get the best quality audio output from my Oppo 103 for playback with stereo 2ch. cd's. I am using the analog 5.1 ch. analog audio output jacks on the Oppo, connected to the 5.1 ch. analog input jacks on my older receiver for Blu-ray movies. So when I play a 2 ch cd, all the audio comes out of the front right and front left speakers. Is this method just as good as having a dedicated stereo 2 ch. analog output? I know the Oppo 105 has this and better dac's, but is my method the best I can do for stereo playback with the 103?

Yes, using the 5.1 Analog jacks to play Stereo content (such as a CD) is just fine -- with the results you've already discovered. Note that the Subwoofer won't have anything to play in that configuration unless you choose to enable Crossover processing. In the OPPO, do that by setting Left Front / Right Front to Small and picking a Crossover frequency that works well. (If your older receiver provides Crossover processing on its 5.1 Analog inputs, you should only do that in one place -- either in the OPPO or in the Receiver but not both).
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Would the BDP-103 be a good fit (worth the cost?) with an Anthem AVM-20? I do not want to change out this old pre/pro at this time as I remain happy with the sound. I have it set up as 7.1. The two side channels are extracted from the rear channels and as such I would plan to use the 5.1 analog outputs from the Oppo to the AVM-20 and then use the pre/pro's processing to convert to digital and matrixed 7.1. I realize this is not as good as 7 discreet channels, but would it be an improvement with movie tracks? The AVM-20 will retain the "5.1 direct" feature for listening to DVD-A and CD, plus I will gain the ability to play SACD, a capacity currently lacking in my system.

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Sure, that would be a good fit given your intended use. Whether it is an "improvement" for movie tracks depends on what you were using before for playback and audio hookup. The 5.1 Analog output from the OPPO will give you a decode of the full, high bit-rate tracks on Blu-ray discs for example, just as it does for SACD and DVD-A. In the OPPO's Analog Speaker Configuration, set the Down-Mix to 5.1 so that you don't lose Rear channel content when playing 7.1 tracks. You can leave it at 5.1 even when playing Stereo content.
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Thanks for the reply Bob Pariseau. I live in an apartment so I'm not using a subwoofer, and I have all my speakers set to large.

Another question. Why does the Oppo 105 have a dedicated 2 ch. analog output, if you could get the same result using its Front left and Front right analog outputs?
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I've searched the thread, but was unable to find anything about this problem I'm experiencing. Although it's more of a nuisance than a problem. I apologize in advance if this has already been covered. My question is in regards to accessing Netflix via the Oppo BDP 103. I get the best video by using the Oppo to stream from Netflix. However, I find that whenever I use Netflix through the Oppo player after a power down cycle, I have to login to my Netflix account with the remote, which is a tedious annoyance. I haven't been able to figure out if you can store your login information in the Oppo. The owners manual gives no details about this process.

Conversely, I know that once I log into Netflix with our Panasonic plasma tv, it automatically retains that information unless Netflix does a firmware update. So under normal operation, anytime I turn the tv on and access Netflix via the smart tv Viera menu, I get right into Netflix.

But the Oppo is connected to a Panasonic projector, so this is really the only way to watch Netflix with the projector. Can someone tell me if I've missed something? Am I stuck logging into Netflix every time I want to watch something after a power cycle?

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This discussion is fascinating for some of us. Why not take it to an appropriate forum? smile.gif

I think it is appropriate .
What services like Netflix and Comcast may or may not be doing to each other seems to me to be a better fit in forums devoted to those services. What we already know is that OPPO isn't doing anything to either of them. wink.gif
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Thanks Bob. I will order one.
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Thanks for the reply Bob Pariseau. I live in an apartment so I'm not using a subwoofer, and I have all my speakers set to large.

Another question. Why does the Oppo 105 have a dedicated 2 ch. analog output, if you could get the same result using its Front left and Front right analog outputs?

First, since you don't have a Subwoofer, you might want to enable the Subwoofer output ANYWAY, while also leaving all your speakers as Large. This will cause LFE channel content in multi-channel tracks (the ".1" of 5.1 and 7.1) to be discarded out the uncabled Subwoofer jack instead of being mixed into the LF/RF channels. The reason to do that is that the LFE channel is recorded so as to capture LOUD bass. When you mix it in to the main speaker channels, a substantial amount of "down-mix attenuation" has to be applied to insure enough headroom -- i.e., to keep those output signals from clipping the inputs of your pre-amp.

The issue is not just having to raise the Volume when you play multi-channel tracks (to compensate for the attenuation). It is also that the attenuation lowers the audio you WANT to hear closer to the noise floor. When you raise the Volume to compensate you are also raising the noise. This is why the LFE channel exists as a separate channel.

Now all the main speaker channels are capable of carrying bass as low as you need in frequency, and people who mix multi-channel tracks must be aware that critical bass has to be mixed into the main speakers, since they can't assume all listeners will have a subwoofer. So what you lose by discarding the LFE channel is the extra loud bass component carried in there. Try it both ways and see which you prefer. I think you'll be surprised how good it sounds with the LFE for multi-channel simply discarded. Be sure you leave ALL speakers Large as otherwise any Crossover steered bass from them would also be discarded, which of course you do not want.



The 105 has separate, Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs first because some people want to hook up stereo separate from multi-channel. For example because they are using different amps, or are using a sound processor that provides value added sound processing for stereo input but not for multi-channel input.

But also because the circuit design for the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs is superior. For folks with a 105 who do NOT need to cable it separately, there is a configuration setting in the 105 which lets them wire the Dedicated Stereo L/R pair in lieu of the normal LF/RF outputs from the multi-channel set -- giving them all the goodies at once.
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I've searched the thread, but was unable to find anything about this problem I'm experiencing. Although it's more of a nuisance than a problem. I apologize in advance if this has already been covered. My question is in regards to accessing Netflix via the Oppo BDP 103. I get the best video by using the Oppo to stream from Netflix. However, I find that whenever I use Netflix through the Oppo player after a power down cycle, I have to login to my Netflix account with the remote, which is a tedious annoyance. I haven't been able to figure out if you can store your login information in the Oppo. The owners manual gives no details about this process.

Conversely, I know that once I log into Netflix with our Panasonic plasma tv, it automatically retains that information unless Netflix does a firmware update. So under normal operation, anytime I turn the tv on and access Netflix via the smart tv Viera menu, I get right into Netflix.

But the Oppo is connected to a Panasonic projector, so this is really the only way to watch Netflix with the projector. Can someone tell me if I've missed something? Am I stuck logging into Netflix every time I want to watch something after a power cycle?

Thanks,
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First check that you have the latest firmware in your 103. In Setup > Device Setup > Firmware Information check the "Main" firmware version line.

The current "Official" firmware ends "1204". Even better, the current Public Beta firmware (ends "1225B") can be downloaded from the OPPO Digital web site for install via a USB stick:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/blu-ray-BDP-103-Support.aspx

If you need to update the firmware, and if the player offers a "Recommended Reset" on the first power up after the install, then do that Recommended Reset.

Now, if the problem with Netflix persists, go to Setup > Device Setup and find the line for Deactivate Netflix, and do that. That will discard the Netflix credentials saved in the player.

Power cycle, then launch the Netflix app and re-enter your login credentials. Your problem should now be fixed.

If the problem is NOT fixed, then you need to hit it with a bigger hammer. First, deactivate Netflix AGAIN in he OPPO.

Then go log in to the Netflix web site on your computer and to to My Account in the pulldown under your name on the top right. In there, about 2/3 down on the right column you'll find a line to Sign Out of All Devices. That discards the Netflix side of its memory about the devices you are using.

Once more, power cycle the OPPO and login again to Netflix. The problem should NOW be fixed.

If it is *STILL* not fixed, give OPPO Tech Support a call. The settings memory in your OPPO may need Warranty service.
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Thanks again Bob for the info, I will try what you have suggested. I will enable the subwoofer output in the Oppo menu and remove the RCA cable from the analog subwoofer output.
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No, they will be very similar. The -103D uses Darbee processing which gives a different look. Same audio.

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How much benefit will the Darbee processing have on a 46" set for movies played on the 103 or for HD cable TV? I'm considering the purchase of an outboard Darbee unit, or else selling my 103 and buying a 103D.

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I have the 103 connected to my Denon 4810 via HDMI cable. Playing SACDs that has DSD why is still decoding as PCM. I have set it as Auto on HDMI Audio and DSD in SCAD Output.

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How much benefit will the Darbee processing have on a 46" set for movies played on the 103 or for HD cable TV? I'm considering the purchase of an outboard Darbee unit, or else selling my 103 and buying a 103D.

There are many factors and it would be hard to quantify "how much". Try the Darblet thread for more user reports.

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I have the 103 connected to my Denon 4810 via HDMI cable. Playing SACDs that has DSD why is still decoding as PCM. I have set it as Auto on HDMI Audio and DSD in SCAD Output.

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DSD is possible on the -103 only with HDMI2.

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I have the 103 connected to my Denon 4810 via HDMI cable. Playing SACDs that has DSD why is still decoding as PCM. I have set it as Auto on HDMI Audio and DSD in SCAD Output.

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1. You have to connect the 103 to the Denon using HDMI2. The 103 will not transmit DSD over HDMI1.

2, You have to put the Denon into DIRECT mode. Once you do that, the front of the Denon will read DSD MULTI-CHANNEL DIRECT or something like that. The problem with sending DSD signals to the Denon is that you then can't use Audyssey and you will be getting "double bass" (all of the speakers will run full-range and the bass signal below the crossover point will also go to the subwoofer).

I tried sending DSD from th 103 to my 4810, and I found that I preferred my SACD sound when I had the 103 output PCM and was able to use Audyssey.

In any case, is it clear that the 4810 doesn't convert the DSD signal to PCM before converting it to analog?

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Thanks for all the replies, I will stick with PCM.
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All,

I just got the OPP DBP 103! Its really nice..and I need some help in figuring my connection. I currently have Onkyo 818 that is handling all my devices like PS3, Xbox, Cable, Apple TV. My current connection is

Apple TV, XBox, PS3,... => Onkyo 818 ==> TV (HDMI 1) which is straight forward and works as expected.

Now, with Oppo in the chain I would like to use the dual hdmi so that I can make use of the video processing capability for ALL my devices and onkyo for sound. For that I tired the following setup
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I have the exact same setup, but I have one question for you, why would you not want to take advantage of the Onkyo's HQV Vida processor? You should hook the 103 directly to the 818 via HDMI and out of the 818 to your veiwing source. Don't over complicate things just use them as they were intended. You won't be disappointed.

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Pbarach,

I just returned my 103 and bought the 103d to try the darbee. I have a 50' plasma isf calibrated. I am not very impressed with the darbee effect. I do see a slightly sharper picture when I set it at 50%, but I don't think it was worth the extra $100 to me. I could easily live without it now that I've seen it. The 103 has a perfect picture for blu ray and from what I have been seeing with the 103d is you aren't really missing anything by not having the darbee. I am still trying to decide if I should take this back & buy the 103 again or move up to the 105 and enjoy even better audio. Hope this helps. Rick
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Pbarach,

I just returned my 103 and bought the 103d to try the darbee. I have a 50' plasma isf calibrated. I am not very impressed with the darbee effect. I do see a slightly sharper picture when I set it at 50%, but I don't think it was worth the extra $100 to me. I could easily live without it now that I've seen it. The 103 has a perfect picture for blu ray and from what I have been seeing with the 103d is you aren't really missing anything by not having the darbee. I am still trying to decide if I should take this back & buy the 103 again or move up to the 105 and enjoy even better audio. Hope this helps. Rick

From what I have heard, Darbee is good for projectors. Not that good for smaller screens. 105 definitely has the better audio.

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I'm starting to believe that, I just thought I would try the 103d since it was only $100 difference. I just have to decide if I'm going to keep this instead of going thru the hassle of returning to get the 103 again or get the 105 & be done
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I'm starting to believe that, I just thought I would try the 103d since it was only $100 difference. I just have to decide if I'm going to keep this instead of going thru the hassle of returning to get the 103 again or get the 105 & be done

The 103 and 105 has the same video sections. The biggest difference is the analog audio in the 105. I got the 105 because of the Analog DAC's. I have only a 60" plasma, so I won't be fretting over the 105D.

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Pbarach,

I just returned my 103 and bought the 103d to try the darbee. I have a 50' plasma isf calibrated. I am not very impressed with the darbee effect. I do see a slightly sharper picture when I set it at 50%, but I don't think it was worth the extra $100 to me. I could easily live without it now that I've seen it. The 103 has a perfect picture for blu ray and from what I have been seeing with the 103d is you aren't really missing anything by not having the darbee. I am still trying to decide if I should take this back & buy the 103 again or move up to the 105 and enjoy even better audio. Hope this helps. Rick

Thanks for sharing the experience. I'm probably not going to get a Darbee or trade my 103 for a 103D.

I'm using audio over HDMI from my 103 so that I can take advantage of Audyssey in my AVR (Audyssey is inactive on analog signals), so the 105 would be a waste of money for me.

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If you can see a better overall PQ with Darbee, then why would you discard that and choose not to use it?
When I heard about Darbee several months ago I was very sceptical about it's technology.
However after I was able to see what it can do I quickly became a believer and the Darbee Kool Aid tastes delicious. tongue.gif

I have Darbee (via a 103D) on my projection system and love the effect it has. A sharper picture with better contrast, equalling a deeper image. I have also used it on a 46" panel and the effect is much less noticeable, but it is still significant and still improves the image IMHO.

If we were discussing the options between 2 different displays of the same size and merit, and one display gave a slightly better PQ for the same price, everyone would be clamoring to buy the better display.
The difference in that analogy is that the 103D does cost $100 more than the 103. You just have to decide if the difference you do get is worth the price. It seems that the consensus among most 103D owners is that it Is worth it. smile.gif

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I totally agree with you. The larger the screen, the more effect the Darbee technology has.

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How much benefit will the Darbee processing have on a 46" set for movies played on the 103 or for HD cable TV? I'm considering the purchase of an outboard Darbee unit, or else selling my 103 and buying a 103D.

I found having an outboard darbee unit caused issues( handshaking was a very big issue) but having it implemented in the Oppo 103D I believe the issues should be at a minimal if any. In my lumagen 2041 it also has the Darbee implemented in the Video processor and it works a treat, to be honest no issues at all.

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I have the exact same setup, but I have one question for you, why would you not want to take advantage of the Onkyo's HQV Vida processor? You should hook the 103 directly to the 818 via HDMI and out of the 818 to your veiwing source. Don't over complicate things just use them as they were intended. You won't be disappointed.


I want to use the video processing of oppo's Qdeo which seems to be much better (at-least for my eyes) than the onkyo's HQV. For now I have connected oppo's hdmi 1 out to 818 but have disabled onkyo video processing on that input.

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I want to use the video processing of oppo's Qdeo which seems to be much better (at-least for my eyes) than the onkyo's HQV. For now I have connected oppo's hdmi 1 out to 818 but have disabled onkyo video processing on that input.

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I have the exact same setup, but I have one question for you, why would you not want to take advantage of the Onkyo's HQV Vida processor? You should hook the 103 directly to the 818 via HDMI and out of the 818 to your veiwing source. Don't over complicate things just use them as they were intended. You won't be disappointed.

I look at it from a software engineer's perspective. You have hardware (Mediatek + QDEO (103) or VRS (103D)). The Mediatek I believe handles a lot of the video processing functions, with either the QDEO or the VRS handling a small subset.

Then there's the software (firmware) written to take advantage of the hardware. How good, bad or indifferent that is is defined by the engineering staff and the company.

Most PC's have very similar hardware (disks, graphics, etc.), the thing that differentiates them is the software. If you love Linux over Windows, it's the software. If you love the PS4 over the XBox (or vice versa) it's most likely the software. So in the case of video processing, why ignore the software and the engineers?

I have a QDEO processor in my Pioneer Elite VSX-33. I have a BDP-83 with the ABT processor and Mediatek. Every test I've done both systematic (Spears and Munsil, etc.) and qualitative (watching 'problematic' blurays - Ratatoie) has led to the same thing whenever the Oppo is involved : I shut processing in the VSX-33 off.

I attribute that slightly to the chip, mostly to the firmware programming done by the Oppo engineers.

So when I compare video processing, I consider: Firmware programming + main video chip + auxiliary video chip(s). In the 103D, for example that would be Oppo engineering + Mediatek + VRS + Darbee.

I would think that an AVR company (Pioneer, Onkyo, Denon, etc). is less likely to have as much focus and funding for video software than a company whose only business is that. Just my opinion, but it makes sense to me.
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I just returned my 103 and bought the 103d to try the darbee. I have a 50' plasma isf calibrated. I am not very impressed with the darbee effect. I do see a slightly sharper picture when I set it at 50%, but I don't think it was worth the extra $100 to me. I could easily live without it now that I've seen it. The 103 has a perfect picture for blu ray and from what I have been seeing with the 103d is you aren't really missing anything by not having the darbee. I am still trying to decide if I should take this back & buy the 103 again or move up to the 105 and enjoy even better audio. Hope this helps. Rick

I have to agree with you about the Darbee. I didn't buy it with the 103 but bought it separately about a year to a year and a half ago. I didn't notice much of a difference in the picture (on a 92" screen) to be worth the cost to me but others have sworn by the Darbee (probably in part to justify the cost to themselves?). I ended up sending it back for a full refund. I have not noticed a big difference in picture quality since going from DVD to Blu-ray. I hear that the jump from Blu-ray to 4k will not be as noticeable for the average user because you will need and extremely large TV and/or you will have to sit very close to the screen to notice a difference. I will be sticking with 1080p for a long time to come as I will wait for the prices of 4k to come down to a reasonable level this time around. I also replaced most of my DVDs with BDs and will not do it again to go from BD to 4k.

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I have to agree with you about the Darbee. I didn't buy it with the 103 but bought it separately about a year to a year and a half ago. I didn't notice much of a difference in the picture (on a 92" screen) to be worth the cost to me but others have sworn by the Darbee (probably in part to justify the cost to themselves?). I ended up sending it back for a full refund. I have not noticed a big difference in picture quality since going from DVD to Blu-ray. I hear that the jump from Blu-ray to 4k will not be as noticeable for the average user because you will need and extremely large TV and/or you will have to sit very close to the screen to notice a difference. I will be sticking with 1080p for a long time to come as I will wait for the prices of 4k to come down to a reasonable level this time around. I also replaced most of my DVDs with BDs and will not do it again to go from BD to 4k.

Why would anyone have to "justify the cost" through false claims that they like what Darbee does if they can choose to just send it back for a refund just like you did?
I imagine you may not have been able to see side-by-side comparisons of what the Darbee could actually do for your image, or maybe you did and just didn't care for it.
That of course would have been a better reply rather than adding in blanket accusations to those who like the technology.
If you also don't notice a difference between dvd and BD then I suspect there may be something amiss in your setup... especially on a 92" screen.
I don't watch many DVDs these days but when I do it's kind of painful to do so because I'm so used to the PQ of BD.
The difference is more than obvious (to me) most of the time, with the exception being some poorly mastered BDs.

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I want to use the video processing of oppo's Qdeo which seems to be much better (at-least for my eyes) than the onkyo's HQV. For now I have connected oppo's hdmi 1 out to 818 but have disabled onkyo video processing on that input.

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I'll have ot give it a try, did you use Through or Direct?

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A good friend of mine kept telling me that he couldn't see the difference in PQ between Bluray and DVD on his 140" screen. This went on for months before I had a chance to see his system. We A/B'd a couple of movies and he affirmed his original comments. But to me there was a massive difference. Bluray was better in every way -- color, clarity, presence. No doubt about it, not up for discussion.

So what gives? He wears glasses -- my vision is better than 20/20. Could that be a factor? Maybe what is important to me in PQ isn't of value to him?

When I pointed out what I was seeing, he just didn't get it. Bet he wouldn't get it with a Darbee either.

Is this due to a difference in preference, difference in perception, or a really bad implementation? BTHOM, but I've learned not to fight it.
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