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Your Yamaha is a bit old in the tooth, most likely it is applying different levels to LPCM input, and/or may be using some default normalization level on DD input. In any case, the Oppo isn't doing this. Assuming you are using HDMI connection.
I noticed its also the same when I use my denon 1920 dvd player, never noticed until now

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You will like the packaging the Oppo comes in. Very well done. 
You know what I don't like? Paying for stuff I don't need and will never use. I don't need the USB WiFi dongle and I sure don't need another HDMI cable. (And I have plenty of canvas shopping bags.) Oppo ought to allow deletion of unwanted accessories.
My prediction is that the cost of allowing custom deletion would cost more than the full package. That HDMI cable and the OPPO bag probably costs about 67 cents total. wink.gif
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My prediction is that the cost of allowing custom deletion would cost more than the full package. That HDMI cable and the OPPO bag probably costs about 67 cents total. wink.gif

Exactly! Even the wifi dongle can't cost more than a couple bucks as well, and the reason it even comes with one is so that Oppo can offer a high quality rigid metal housing on the player, otherwise wifi would be built in to the player. All of the other stuff too, like premium padding around the player in the shipping box, and the pretty cardboard poster, higher quality power cable...
Those are all unnecessary items but don't really contribute to the cost of the player, other than maybe a dollar or two total.
It's nice to know that Oppo cares about presentation, and as such cares about what the user gets for their money... and that type of perfectionist presentation is also apparent in the player itself,
and without that we would not have such an awesome product.
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Hello everyone,
I just purchased my Oppo 103 and have been playing with it for a few weeks now. So far so good, I did notice one thing today. While switching between a LPCM vs. bitstream on a SDVD the Dolby Digital 5.1 signal was way way louder on my Yamaha RX-V2700 when letting the Oppo decode. I was under the impression and have read there should be not difference. However the difference was quite noticeable, like 10db difference.
Any ideas, I'm using the split av option and was wondering if I may have something set wrong?

I'm using my Oppo 103 with a Pioneer Elite SC-77 and I get a 4dB difference between setting the Oppo for LPCM output and bitstream output. The best I was able to determine this is due to the Oppo using -31dB as a reference level for dialog normalization where the Pioneer uses a dialog normalization reference level of -27dB. If you read all about the dialog normalization the official reference level is -31, but then there is mention of a 4dB increase for DTS, and I think I saw somewhere that THX specifies a 4dB increase for everything. I found it ultimately rather confusing to the point of not being able to determine what the pre-normalization reference level should be. I wouldn't be concerned if the difference is 4dB as that seems to be explained by the varying standards on implementation of dialog normalization. If the difference is other than 4dB then it is probably the result of something other than the devices implementing the dialog normalization differently. The dialog normalization is handled by the device doing the bitstream to LPCM conversion.
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You know what I don't like? Paying for stuff I don't need and will never use. I don't need the USB WiFi dongle and I sure don't need another HDMI cable. (And I have plenty of canvas shopping bags.) Oppo ought to allow deletion of unwanted accessories.
The total cost for all those things probably only adds up to about $10-15 or so. Insignificant, IMO. The idea is to give the purchaser everything needed out of the box. I would probably cost Oppo more to create two different packages for buyers to choose from.
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I also noticed the volume difference from lpcm and bitstream with my Pioneer sc-1222k. I can't find any info on the dac in my 1222k. Does anyone know if i would be better of using lpcm out of the oppo via hdmi or bitstream and let my pioneer handle the decoding?
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You know what I don't like? Paying for stuff I don't need and will never use. I don't need the USB WiFi dongle and I sure don't need another HDMI cable. (And I have plenty of canvas shopping bags.) Oppo ought to allow deletion of unwanted accessories.
The total cost for all those things probably only adds up to about $10-15 or so. Insignificant, IMO. The idea is to give the purchaser everything needed out of the box. I would probably cost Oppo more to create two different packages for buyers to choose from.


"Everything?" I needed the IR Extender and had to pay extra for it. I did not need the dongle or cable.

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"Everything?" I needed the IR Extender and had to pay extra for it. I did not need the dongle or cable.
Then purchase a different player that includes the IR Extender and none of the other stuff you don't want. Seriously, the stuff you're complaining about adds next to nothing to the cost of the player. As others have mentioned, it would cost more to inventory multiple SKU's or to take the time to drop the bits and pieces each customer wants into the boxes when preparing the players to ship (and greatly increase the odds of forgetting to include something).
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I downloaded and burned to DVD the AVS HD 709 display calibration but it wont play on my 103. Any suggestions?
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I downloaded and burned to DVD the AVS HD 709 display calibration but it wont play on my 103. Any suggestions?

That was working the last time I checked, although it has been a while. It also works when copied to a USB stick, and over SMB.

Does the disc show a proper AVCHD directory structure when you mount it on a computer?

I can try this later today if the disc looks good to you.

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I am unclear about DSD playback. Does the Oppo 103 include any specialised 1-bit DAC for DSD when outputing to analog? Does it instead convert to something like PCM before sending to its 24 bits DAC? My AVR does not decode DSD (or even DTS-MA for that matter) so presently my Oppo is set to output PCM. My understanding is that the Oppo converts from DSD 1-bit to PCM 24 bits. Would, in the context of DSD, be any advantage of using the analog output of the Oppo? Would it skip the DSD to PCM conversion somehow and give better audio result this way?
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You don't need a 1-bit DAC to decode DSD. Just the proper algorithm. The Oppo BDP-10x units can convert DSD directly to analog or pass either DSD or PCM to an AVR. They will only pass DSD to receivers that can accept it.

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I imagine I should consider my Oppo as having the proper algorythm then. :-)

I know the Oppo can convert DSD to PCM and I know it can pass DSD directly to AVRs that can decode it. But I am wondering if there is a difference in sound quality between converting to PCM and sending it to the AVR or letting the Oppo convert to analog and sending the analog to the AVR. Lets for the sake of simplifying things not take into account room correction. Lets say the AVR is set to direct or pure audio or whatever is needed to bypass room correction.
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Some people say they hear a difference. Most do not. There is no objective reason why PCM should sound any different from DSD. Analog could sound different if being decoded by an AVR or processor that does a better job than the Oppo. The Oppo 105x would do a superior job compared to almost all AVRs as far as conversion to analog. The 103x is still very good.

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That was working the last time I checked, although it has been a while. It also works when copied to a USB stick, and over SMB.

Does the disc show a proper AVCHD directory structure when you mount it on a computer?

I can try this later today if the disc looks good to you.

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Looks like my burning didnt take. Any free DVD burning software you recommend?
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Don't know if you solved this in the intervening weeks, but every once in a while mine would do this, although I think just with blu-rays (which happens to also be the only thing I use my Oppo for at present, so that's probably why wink.gif). On your tv there is a preference setting in the 3D Settings called Auto detect 3D. If it is set to Auto 2, it uses some kind of algorithm to also try and detect 3D content that isn't flagged, thereby under certain circumstances flipping the tv into 3D (your screen shift, losing color, blur...) when it really shouldn't be. Change this to Auto 1, and this seemingly random switching to 3D goes away (for me anyway, haven't run into it since). (Other setting on the tv I have probably changed is 3d signal notification is set to Off, and on the Oppo I have it set to Auto for 3D output.)

 

Only getting false positives with 3D set to Auto 2, eh?  I don't recall what it was set to when I switched it to 'Off', which is where it now is and no more weird display anomalies occur.  I can set it to Auto 1 tonight and see if that does the trick on my ST60...thanks!

 

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Looks like my burning didnt take. Any free DVD burning software you recommend?

I'm on linux so my tools might not be helpful.

I forget: does the AVCHD version uncompress into an ISO file? OPPO's support page has tips on burning ISO with common software: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-67-1204.aspx#ISO

This is for their firmware updates, but the procedure would be the same.

If the AVS HD 709 file produces an AVCHD directory rather than ISO, let us know and we'll try to find help.

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Hi all,glad to say I finally upgraded to the 103 it's been awhile I've been using my bdp-80.just wanted to say I've been reading all the posts for awhile and it's all been extremely helpful in learning about the player.when the 103 arrives I'll hook it up to my 3d tv and it's off to the races.
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I'm on linux so my tools might not be helpful.

I forget: does the AVCHD version uncompress into an ISO file? OPPO's support page has tips on burning ISO with common software: http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-103/BDP103-firmware-67-1204.aspx#ISO

This is for their firmware updates, but the procedure would be the same.

If the AVS HD 709 file produces an AVCHD directory rather than ISO, let us know and we'll try to find help.

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Yes it uncompresses into an ISO. So I down loaded it to a USB stick, plugged it in and it shows as USB 1> Oppo media info > grace note > then a audio and video folder with nothing in them...?
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Yes it uncompresses into an ISO. So I down loaded it to a USB stick, plugged it in and it shows as USB 1> Oppo media info > grace note > then a audio and video folder with nothing in them...?

The ISO is ready to burn to DVD. To copy it to USB you have to mount the ISO and copy the contents (an AVCHD directory structure) to the USB device.

The easiest way to do that is to burn the DVD correctly and copy it when it is mounted on a computer. Or: there are utilities that will mount the ISO file itself and make the contents available. Virtual Clone Drive, which is part of the AnyDVD package, is a popular choice on windows.

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I downloaded and burned to DVD the AVS HD 709 display calibration but it wont play on my 103. Any suggestions?

Make sure you are downloading the AVCHD version. I have an HDMV version burned to DVD (DVDM) that works with my Sony BDP-S1, but it will not play on my Oppo BDP-103.
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I also noticed the volume difference from lpcm and bitstream with my Pioneer sc-1222k. I can't find any info on the dac in my 1222k. Does anyone know if i would be better of using lpcm out of the oppo via hdmi or bitstream and let my pioneer handle the decoding?

Both should work fine. I prefer using the bitstream output option to my Pioneer receiver. With the Pioneer doing the bitstream decoding (which doesn't have anything to do with the DAC), it is also applying the dialog normalization based on its reference level. My theory is that any processing based on relationship to reference level volume may then be more accurate since the Pioneer is expecting the final volume to based on its dialog normalization reference level. If you experience any audio instability (dropouts, static, etc.) when using bitstream output from the Oppo (which I rarely experienced with previous Oppo firmware versions, but not with the currently available versions) or HDMI handshake issues, switch to LPCM. I've never had any audio instability issues when using the LPCM output option. Bitstream should produce the louder output (4dB louder) at the same volume setting.
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The ISO is ready to burn to DVD. To copy it to USB you have to mount the ISO and copy the contents (an AVCHD directory structure) to the USB device.

The easiest way to do that is to burn the DVD correctly and copy it when it is mounted on a computer. Or: there are utilities that will mount the ISO file itself and make the contents available. Virtual Clone Drive, which is part of the AnyDVD package, is a popular choice on windows.

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Thanks, I'll give that a try
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Make sure you are downloading the AVCHD version. I have an HDMV version burned to DVD (DVDM) that works with my Sony BDP-S1, but it will not play on my Oppo BDP-103.

KC, yes I do have the AVCHD version. Thanks.
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OK, so I don't own the 103 (yet, maybe...). But I do own the Onkyo 805. And I do have the lastest (last) DSP and 1.08 FW files for it. Any 805 owners here that need those files can PM me and I'll email them to you outside of AVS.

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Any word on when the beta firmware will become official?


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Oppo 103 and Outlaw 975 Pre amp

What do I set the Audio section at?
PCM, LCPM, or Auto ? What about the SACD setting?

I am hearing since the 975 does NOT have dual cirrus chips you need to use LCPM as the output mode to get the highest bit rate?

I have HDMI connection between Oppo and the 975, my cable box is also connected with HDMI.



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Oppo 103 and Outlaw 975 Pre amp

What do I set the Audio section at?
PCM, LCPM, or Auto ? What about the SACD setting?

I am hearing since the 975 does NOT have dual cirrus chips you need to use LCPM as the output mode to get the highest bit rate?

I have HDMI connection between Oppo and the 975, my cable box is also connected with HDMI.



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Why not just use the Oppo? As soon as I purchased the Oppo I threw the Outlaw 975 in the closet and forgot about it. The Oppo works much better as a preamp.

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Question for the people using this unit as pre-amp;

How do you correct the -10dB (or -15 with the player's bass management enabled) on the SW analog out ?

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