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with that good of a tv, does the oppo even make a difference compared to a standard blu ray player?


Well I think that's a current discussion in this thread. Im coming from an Oppo 83. Both models, I believe, are high quality upscalers of DVD content.

I don't use it for specialized audio. I have like 3 DVD-As

Everyone says that any bluray player (processing Bluray content) looks the same as the next because a digital signal has no loss or inaccuracy as I understand the argument.

However the Sony 4k has an *excellent* scaler to get all non-4k content (especially 1080p) to its 4k pixels. It is very complicated in what it does, so for me it is difficult to answer your question since a lot of things are going on.

The only reason I would move to another player other than the 103 is if someone told me a model had the best 3d depth performance and no drawbacks.
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I have the Sony 65" 4k X900a paired with the Oppo 103 and the picture is stunning, perhaps perfection? Both in 2d and 3d (although I think the 850 is active 3d vs the 900 which is passive- both should present 1080p to each eye, but I strongly prefer passive)

I have never seen a picture so clear, as far as 1080p goes. I do not upscale to 4k using the 103 because the TVs scaler is better (and I have a Darblet in the chain) It is difficult to differentiate between the presented Bluray PQ and true 4k content. Actually makes me hate going to the theater to see films. If you have any questions let me know.

with that good of a tv, does the oppo even make a difference compared to a standard blu ray player?

I have the 65" 4k  XBR-65X850A paired with Oppo 105 (same video as 103). Entirely separate audio. I force upscale everything to 4k (Uverse, Blu Ray and DVD).  I use the picture adjustments in the 105 for sharpness, contrast enhancement and color enhancement (all set to max level). I use Sony vivid picture settings with only the sharpness increased. Neutral color. I turn off every possible Sony adjustment (screen preferences, motionflow, reality creation, and cinemotion). Sony color matrix is custom and dynamic range is full with full screen mirroring. Color in Oppo is RGB PC.  Picture size comes from the Oppo. I turn DVD 24p off and 1080p24 to auto. The difference in picture quality is amazing. The principal reason for improvement comes from the higher resolution and the RGB PC color palate. The Oppo makes a real difference. The Sony alone is good but you can make a real difference with the Oppo.

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 with Oppo 105 (same video as 103). Entirely separate audio. I force upscale everything to 4k (Uverse, Blu Ray and DVD).  I use the picture adjustments in the 105 for sharpness, contrast enhancement and color enhancement (all set to max level). I use Sony vivid picture settings with only the sharpness increased. Neutral color. I turn off every possible Sony adjustment (screen preferences, motionflow, reality creation, and cinemotion). Sony color matrix is custom and dynamic range is full with full screen mirroring. Color in Oppo is RGB PC.  Picture size comes from the Oppo. I turn DVD 24p off and 1080p24 to auto. The difference in picture quality is amazing. The principal reason for improvement comes from the higher resolution and the RGB PC color palate. The Oppo makes a real difference. The Sony alone is good but you can make a real difference with the Oppo.

You've bumped the Oppo settings to Max and use Vivid on the TV? Have you calibrated your set? Why do you use RGB PC - I would think that would mess with the black levels?

But hey I'm game to try anything, so ill give this a go and see. wink.gif
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oShare problem (now resolved):

I had oShare 1.10 running without any issues. However, when I installed v1.11, Norton Internet Security instantly found and deleted oShareUI.exe and oShareeUI.exe as "bad." This was downloaded from oShare's "home," http://sourceforge.net/projects/oshare/

\ I couldn't get v1.11 of oShare to run.

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I pulled the plug. Firmware took 😗

My Oppo.....she's a brilliant performer, but takes a lot of time-outs to re-group.

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Oppo 103 installed this morning. 83 moved to bedroom for Sony HX 850. Ran setup/check list on both of them. 103 downloaded new firmware. Love having networked BD player. No disks from Oppo for 103.

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Hey all. Quick newbie Oppo 103 question. I just had my HT completed last night and I have one issue. When watching Blu Ray movies there is a lip sync issue. The audio is beating the actor's mouths by a half second or more. Looks awkward. Picture and sound is fantastic. Someone suggested the Oppo can handle lip sync issues. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hey all. Quick newbie Oppo 103 question. I just had my HT completed last night and I have one issue. When watching Blu Ray movies there is a lip sync issue. The audio is beating the actor's mouths by a half second or more. Looks awkward. Picture and sound is fantastic. Someone suggested the Oppo can handle lip sync issues. Any help would be appreciated.

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How are your devices hooked up?

Roku and DirecTv into the Oppo 103. Oppo 103 into the Pioneer Elite. Pioneer Elite into the Epson 6030 projector. HDMI 1 out only on the Oppo. I imagine the Pioneer can resolve this as I have all audio being done with the Pioneer and all video being done on the Oppo.

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Say, "Punch" the normal way, and then say it while inhaling air. This is what incorrect acoustic polarity sounds like.

Electrical signals may have a polarity. There is no such thing as "acoustical polarity." Acoustically there are rarefactions and compressions. The order in which they come is neither "correct" or "incorrect", but is determined by physics. Think of a one-headed drum. If it is struck from above, and you (or a microphone) are listening from above, the sound starts with a rarefaction; the head is sucking air away from the mic diaphragm and your eardrum. If you were BELOW the drum head, along with your microphone, the opposite would be true; the sound would begin with a compression, the air being pushed toward the mic and your ear.

Saying "punch" while inhaling is essentially doing the same thing: listening from the lung side of your larynx, or from outside. However, the example is misleading since the "punch" examples sound VERY different in reality. In my drum example, the difference is likely undetectable without looking at the waveform on a 'scope, and even then, you'd have to assume the electrical polarity of everything in the electrical path of the recording and playback process, including your speakers was in proper polarity, otherwise you might as well just flip a coin. Without other sonic clues, you wouldn't hear a difference.

I'm not saying that changing electrical polarity in a system is not audible. I AM saying that you can't tell which is "accurate" or "correct" unless you witnessed the entire recording process.
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Roku and DirecTv into the Oppo 103. Oppo 103 into the Pioneer Elite. Pioneer Elite into the Epson 6030 projector. HDMI 1 out only on the Oppo. I imagine the Pioneer can resolve this as I have all audio being done with the Pioneer and all video being done on the Oppo.

Where in the Oppo manual does it discuss audio delay for lip sync issues? I have gone over it and can not find any info.

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No such thing as audio polarity. Polarity is a factor in DC. Phase of the AC signal is definitely a factor on how the audio will sound.

A/V Sync should be covered in the updated Users Manual on the OPPO website. It is a relatively new FW addition.

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Where in the Oppo manual does it discuss audio delay for lip sync issues? I have gone over it and can not find any info.

Make sure you are looking at the most recent manual: http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP103/BDP-103_USER_MANUAL_English_v1.8.pdf

The setting was added after the initial release and older manuals will not have it.

PS: What he said ^^^

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Hey all. Quick newbie Oppo 103 question. I just had my HT completed last night and I have one issue. When watching Blu Ray movies there is a lip sync issue. The audio is beating the actor's mouths by a half second or more. Looks awkward. Picture and sound is fantastic. Someone suggested the Oppo can handle lip sync issues. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Video lag is generally cause by processing in the display, usually some 24p processing. Try some different settings in the display to see if you can resolve this. Settings like "video smoothing" and frame processing are suspect, anything that requires frame buffering. Also make double sure that all video processing in the AVR is turned off.
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Within the past couple of days I saw a post here asking if the new firmware had caused problems with anybody's .de all regions chip. As I don't have a .dk chip, I am unable to answer the poster's specific question. I do, however, have a JVB Digital all regions chip installed in my 103. Today, I had occasion to reset it from Region A to Region B, in order to play my BDs of the Scandinavian version of The Killing, which is Region B specific. I am happy to report that my JVB Digital chip still performs perfectly, even after the recent firmware update.
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There are no issues with the basic .dk region-free chip and the latest firmware. I can't speak for the pro version.

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Thanks for heads up, if it's ok for the standard version I should be ok on the pro.
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No such thing as audio polarity. Polarity is a factor in DC. Phase of the AC signal is definitely a factor on how the audio will sound.

Phase is relative. Polarity is not. Reverse the leads to one of your stereo speakers, and the stereo pair becomes "out of phase." Reverse the leads to BOTH speakers and you've changed the speaker system's polarity.
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If you're sending a signal via bitstream to the receiver, how much of a difference in terms of audio & video would there be b/w the ancient bdp-80 I have and the 103 model?
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If you're sending a signal via bitstream to the receiver, how much of a difference in terms of audio & video would there be b/w the ancient bdp-80 I have and the 103 model?

There ought to be none.

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Has anybody had he following problem:

I have had the 103 for about a year now and have had no problems until recently. I have the latest firmware installed. I run my set top box through the back HDMI input of the 103 and then the HDMI1 output from the 103 to my 55VT50. After I updated to the latest firmware, I first began running the set top box through the 103.

Issue: Since then, I notice that every time I switch inputs from the back HDMI to play a Blu-ray, I get severe pixilation on the bottom 1/8 of my TV. Then when I play the Blu-ray, the picture freezes and I get severe pixilation on about half of the screen. I have tried this on multiple other Blu-ray discs and get the same problem so I know it is not related to the disc itself. When I play a DVD, I don't seem to have a problem.

Then, I unplugged the HDMI cable from the back of the 103 HDMI - thinking that maybe the 103 is trying to play both the cable feed and the Blu-ray at the same time and that is what is causing the problem - however, that is not the problem, since I still get severe pixilation when I try to play the Blu-ray. When I switch back to HDMI Input on the back of the 103 to view cable, I have no problem. Even when there is no disc in the 103, and when I switch from the back HDMI Input to the Blu-ray input, I get pixilation on the Home 103 screen for about two seconds and then it goes to normal. If I then try to put a Blu-ray disc in to play it will pixel up and freeze.

Anyone report this issue yet? Does anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I will contact Oppo support on Monday, but was wondering if I could fix over the weekend.

Thanks everyone.
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There ought to be none.

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Thanks. That's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure.
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Everyone says that any bluray player (processing Bluray content) looks the same as the next because a digital signal has no loss or inaccuracy as I understand the argument.

Which is not true. Only 'everyones' with less or no technical knowledge can say that. This is oversimplifying a complex piece of technology - a Blu-Ray player. There can be a lot of signal loss, starting with 'dirty disks' and error correction. And alone this issue and there are numerous more, can change your viewing experience.

This argument assumes that a Blu-Ray player is a computer, which it isn't.
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Phase is relative. Polarity is not. Reverse the leads to one of your stereo speakers, and the stereo pair becomes "out of phase." Reverse the leads to BOTH speakers and you've changed the speaker system's polarity.

If you reverse the leads on both speakers, your speakers are 180 degrees out of phase from your amp. Then, you'll have to remember that your speakers aren't hooked up correctly if you add more speakers.

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If you are using the player as a transport, then a cheap, reliable universal players from a company that continues to service their players would be as good.

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Any recommendations (you can PM your response, if you prefer)? I have been struggling with this for almost a year: buy the Oppo, even though I will pair it with a VP and not be using the analog outputs, or buy something like you describe. I was leaning toward the Oppo simply because of their reputation for support, but all I need is a decent quality transport with source direct mode and decent support.

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Has anybody had he following problem:

I have had the 103 for about a year now and have had no problems until recently. I have the latest firmware installed. I run my set top box through the back HDMI input of the 103 and then the HDMI1 output from the 103 to my 55VT50. After I updated to the latest firmware, I first began running the set top box through the 103.

Issue: Since then, I notice that every time I switch inputs from the back HDMI to play a Blu-ray, I get severe pixilation on the bottom 1/8 of my TV. Then when I play the Blu-ray, the picture freezes and I get severe pixilation on about half of the screen. I have tried this on multiple other Blu-ray discs and get the same problem so I know it is not related to the disc itself. When I play a DVD, I don't seem to have a problem.

Then, I unplugged the HDMI cable from the back of the 103 HDMI - thinking that maybe the 103 is trying to play both the cable feed and the Blu-ray at the same time and that is what is causing the problem - however, that is not the problem, since I still get severe pixilation when I try to play the Blu-ray. When I switch back to HDMI Input on the back of the 103 to view cable, I have no problem. Even when there is no disc in the 103, and when I switch from the back HDMI Input to the Blu-ray input, I get pixilation on the Home 103 screen for about two seconds and then it goes to normal. If I then try to put a Blu-ray disc in to play it will pixel up and freeze.

Anyone report this issue yet? Does anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I will contact Oppo support on Monday, but was wondering if I could fix over the weekend.

Thanks everyone.

Have you performed a "Reset Factory Defaults?"

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Yes - I Reset the Factory Defaults after every firmware upgrade. I'd be willing to do that again since it is not a big deal to do, but I am not sure that is the issue.
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Video lag is generally cause by processing in the display, usually some 24p processing. Try some different settings in the display to see if you can resolve this. Settings like "video smoothing" and frame processing are suspect, anything that requires frame buffering. Also make double sure that all video processing in the AVR is turned off.

Video processing in my Pioneer Elite is off. What is the "display" you are referring too? My Oppo, AVR or projector?

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Thanks guys for the plug for the Sony 4k XBR and standing by them. Your comments seem to say OPPO can help with and or stand out of the way (either sRGB or RGb PC/HDMI 1 Deep Color can be used with proper tweaking by two different experiences) and that it works in multiple ways with our beloved OPPO. This makes my decision safe so far. Anyone else on what the OPPO can and cannot do to make the Sony 4k do it's thing? Can deep color space now be used or not? Is this still an 8 bit panel or other? Do you have your 1080p24 on Auto?
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Electrical signals may have a polarity. There is no such thing as "acoustical polarity." Acoustically there are rarefactions and compressions. The order in which they come is neither "correct" or "incorrect", but is determined by physics. Think of a one-headed drum. If it is struck from above, and you (or a microphone) are listening from above, the sound starts with a rarefaction; the head is sucking air away from the mic diaphragm and your eardrum. If you were BELOW the drum head, along with your microphone, the opposite would be true; the sound would begin with a compression, the air being pushed toward the mic and your ear.

Saying "punch" while inhaling is essentially doing the same thing: listening from the lung side of your larynx, or from outside. However, the example is misleading since the "punch" examples sound VERY different in reality. In my drum example, the difference is likely undetectable without looking at the waveform on a 'scope, and even then, you'd have to assume the electrical polarity of everything in the electrical path of the recording and playback process, including your speakers was in proper polarity, otherwise you might as well just flip a coin. Without other sonic clues, you wouldn't hear a difference.

I'm not saying that changing electrical polarity in a system is not audible. I AM saying that you can't tell which is "accurate" or "correct" unless you witnessed the entire recording process.

I use the term acoustical polarity meaning the end result ... what comes out of the speaker. As opposed to electrical polarity which exists only electrically; I must use test equipment to verify. A component can have correct electrical polarity meaning waveform in goes up, wavefrom out goes up, but this does not mean the end result out of the speakers will be in correct acoustical polarity. A system that has correct acoustical polarity will move the speaker cone forward for a "P" sound, not backward. As when someone speaks a "P" the compression is what comes first. I do not have to know anything about the entire recording chain to get a system to reproduce correct acoustic polarity. I just have to listen. In this case two wrongs do make a right.

If something is recorded with incorrect electrical polarity, I can correct it by flipping the electrical polarity which will then get the acoustic polarity (what I hear) correct. Or correct it in software which is what I do with my CD compilations.

As far as listening to the drum from one side or the other, not sure I agree with what you are saying although it makes sense. I am not sure that this is correct model or even that my model with the "P" is as it is the same thing except that I don't think I will ever listen to someone while inside them or a recording with the microphone inside them.

I will just say that I can hear correct polarity with drums quite easily. Snare perhaps easiest. One way sounds like what a snare drum sounds like in person, the other way doesn't. Although these differences are not large, I have done quite a bit of testing here and am getting to the point where I can tell when something is out of acoustical polarity without any comparison.

Inverted polarity does have an overall effect that can be heard. Now when I test, I tend to use the voice and will key in on p's or s's. etc. Movie soundtracks, listening to the background noise is easiest. Traffic noise, wind, rain, crickets. I listen to dubstep and with a lot of this, when the polarity is incorrect, things stop floating around and will not come in out. The whole sound just loses life and flattens. I can very easily here correct acoustic polarity when I record just me speaking.

There is a line in Animal House something like, "It's time to take the bull by the balls and kick those punks of campus." Correct acoustic polarity with this line and I laugh everytime, incorrect and I do not laugh. It is quite easy to hear the difference. The b's and p mainly. It is the delivery of the line that is so funny. And when it is out of polarity it loses the humor as the humor is in the voice. How he modulates the air pressure. Once again, not sure if pressure is the correct model. I just know that you can make the sound unnatural by inverting the polarity.

Record a one headed drum and play it back and one polarity will sound more like what I hear if you actually play the drum. I do not care which side of the drum you put the mike on, one polarity will always sound more natural than the other.
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