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try cranking up the edge enhancement setting and use vrs demo mode to see if it makes a difference that satisfies you. Let us know what you think.
That's just so wrong. Glad there's a separate thread where most of the darbee banter occurs. tongue.gif
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I just exchanged the Oppo103D to the 103 and I think I like the Marvell Qdeo better. For my 55 inch LED the Marvell does better video scaling for DVD's and 1080i HD sources. And also Its just set it and forget it.
Scaling (up to 1080P) and deinterlacing are identical on the 103 and 103D. The differences are in the video enhancements that are available and scaling to 4K. There's nothing wrong if you prefer the 103 over the 103D, but it has nothing to do with scaling / deinterlacing.
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That's just so wrong. Glad there's a separate thread where most of the darbee banter occurs. tongue.gif

everyones tastes are different. No harm im trying it to see if u like it. If he doesnt like it, all hes gotta do is turn it back down no harm no foul.

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Can anyone recommend a general optimal picture settings on the Oppo 103?
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Can anyone recommend a general optimal picture settings on the Oppo 103?
Use the default settings and calibrate your display.
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Hello,

There are a few scenes like when the Black Widow is speaking Russian where the forced submenus are not coming up on the Oppo 103 when streaming from MKV. I know the subtitles are there because when I play them back on my computer in VLC they pop up for the forced subtitle scenes (e.g when not speaking in English).
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Can anyone recommend a general optimal picture settings on the Oppo 103?

I hava panny vt30 professionally calibrated, and I tried putting the oppo sharpness at +1 as I have red here...the results are stunning...give it a try...if you dont like it easy to switch it back smile.gif

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Hello, Ive had my 103 for a few months now and so far so good. However, I did watch a 3d movie (I Robot) the other night for the first time. The 3d effects were pretty cool. My son starrted getting a headache however and we decided to switch to 2d. The PQ was so grainy and crappy that none of us could believe it. I thought one of my HDMI cords was unseated or something else might have been wrong. Tried a different BR and it was perfect. The movie was brand new and never used before....Do you think it was the video itself or something else?

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Hello, Ive had my 103 for a few months now and so far so good. However, I did watch a 3d movie (I Robot) the other night for the first time. The 3d effects were pretty cool. My son starrted getting a headache however and we decided to switch to 2d. The PQ was so grainy and crappy that none of us could believe it. I thought one of my HDMI cords was unseated or something else might have been wrong. Tried a different BR and it was perfect. The movie was brand new and never used before....Do you think it was the video itself or something else?
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Hello, Ive had my 103 for a few months now and so far so good. However, I did watch a 3d movie (I Robot) the other night for the first time. The 3d effects were pretty cool. My son starrted getting a headache however and we decided to switch to 2d. The PQ was so grainy and crappy that none of us could believe it. I thought one of my HDMI cords was unseated or something else might have been wrong. Tried a different BR and it was perfect. The movie was brand new and never used before....Do you think it was the video itself or something else?
Thanks

When properly mastered, the 3D version will be on a separate disc from the 2D version. This is because 3D requires boosted levels or it looks too dark. Watching a 3D version and simply switching it to 2D will usually get you an image that's heavily boosted in contrast, color and brightness.
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Looking to purchase a Oppo 103 but doesn't seem Best Buy carries them anymore and I have a 190$ Gift card for there. Would be a bummer.
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they do carry them; you need to call a local store and have them order one for you
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i tried that, and in chicagoland, none of the magnolias near my house had it; they could have shipped it to my local store, or, let me pick it up at "home concept" store, which had one, about 30 miles from my house..
I think most of Magnolias have the 105 on the shelf...YMMV though..
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Scaling (up to 1080P) and deinterlacing are identical on the 103 and 103D.

How can they be identical since the 103D does not have the QDEO processor?

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How can they be identical since the 103D does not have the QDEO processor?
Because scaling (other than to 4K) and deinterlacing is done in the MediaTek SOC, which is identical in both models. The only differences are scaling to 4K and any extra video processing like noise reduction, Darbee, etc.
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How can they be identical since the 103D does not have the QDEO processor?

There are two processors in play per player:

The Mediatek (103, 103d) which handles almost all functions for graphic processing, including upscaling...

The QDeo (103 only) handles 4k upscaling and a few other functions

The VRS, (103d only) handles 4k upscaling, etc...

Basically, for most of the important (to me)1080p stuff, it's a Mediatek show.
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I hava panny vt30 professionally calibrated, and I tried putting the oppo sharpness at +1 as I have red here...the results are stunning...give it a try...if you dont like it easy to switch it back smile.gif


wow.. picture looks a lot better with sharpness +1.
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they do carry them; you need to call a local store and have them order one for you

Hmm...guess it's to high end to list on their website??

Anyway well now that I know I can get one how big of a PQ difference is there between the 103 and 103D (darbee edition).

From what I was reading the DVC enhances details and depths of the picture. Mind you I purchased a Sony S6200 (took over to the S790) and previously had a Samsung F7500 that had disc drive issues and was sluggish, so I'm guessing the 103 will be plenty of detail for me. The site I was seeing the comparison (103 vs 103D) I can't tell if the pictures they had were of a 103 vs 103D or a 103D vs. A cheaper player. But the difference was quite noticeable
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I hava panny vt30 professionally calibrated, and I tried putting the oppo sharpness at +1 as I have red here...the results are stunning...give it a try...if you dont like it easy to switch it back smile.gif

I tried it, and what I saw was a lot of aliasing on the Spears and Munsil sharpness test pattern--and on actual video material, I saw a lot of unnecessary edge enhancement. For me, it didn't help but rather hurt the picture quality.

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Ok so I'm down to the 103 or 103D, seems a lot don't seem to like the Darbee effect since technically it's going outside of what is truly meant to be seen. A lot say it's a trick. So I think I'll save the 100$ and get the Award winning 103 non DVC edition
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You'll love the 103.

I actually haven't found anyone, even purists, that hate the Darbee. More often, it is that they have sources that it doesn't help as much (eg lower quality like DVD), or a screen size that it doesn't help too much (eg, 80" or lower).

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Actually, a lot of people love the Darbee effect, as you can get quite a bit more perceived detail without creating artifacts or making the picture look overly processed or artificial.

In fact, these boards have had an influx of people recently who really enjoy +1 Sharpness on the 103, which also gets you more perceived detail but absolutely creates haloing, ringing and all kinds of artifacts usually deemed undesirable.

There are even users cranking up the picture settings on the 103D to create, at least to my eyes, dramatically over-sharpened and hyper-saturated images.

None of this is wrong though and all of it shows how subjective picture quality can be. There are trade-offs to everything.

If you prefer vibrant colors and low noise, which can occasionaly result in softness on some sources then the 103 is probably for you.

If you prefer the most fine detail, which can sometimes look a little over processed on some sources then the 103D is totally worth the extra $100.00 in my opinion.

If you're willing to live with digital artifacts to get the most vivid picture possible, then the skies the limit with either player, honestly.

I own one of each and find it tough to pick a favorite.

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At the risk of just posting another "me too" response, I find that I really like the Darbee effect with my 103D and JVC DLA-X700 projector (to a 100" screen). I haven't tried it with lower quality stuff (DVD or the like) though. Just Blu-rays.
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I'm on the opposite side of the fence with the Darbee. I've never tried the 103D but I did buy the stand-alone Darbee and sent it back because I didn't think that the video quality difference was worth the high price of the component itself. I may reconsider the next time I buy a BD player to get the 103D since it's not a significant difference in price from the 103.

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okay, I have some questions about this unit....

if sound processing is so good on the unit, how does it work with a room calibrated unit (audyssey) through an AVR?

can I set it to use the video pass through on the Oppo for all content, even cable instead of the video pass of my Denon receiver if that makes sense? I'm going to assume that the video processing is better than on my Denon receiver which is now 4 years old and would like to use the video processing of the Oppo instead.
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okay, I have some questions about this unit....

if sound processing is so good on the unit, how does it work with a room calibrated unit (audyssey) through an AVR?

can I set it to use the video pass through on the Oppo for all content, even cable instead of the video pass of my Denon receiver if that makes sense? I'm going to assume that the video processing is better than on my Denon receiver which is now 4 years old and would like to use the video processing of the Oppo instead.

To use any room calibration (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, etc... ) the signal coming into the AVR has to be digital (usually, some do convert input analog to digital, but it's rare). So the audio management from the Oppo is not called into play, since it will either send out a digital signal (bitstream, LPCM) to the AVR to be dealt with; this is where room correction comes into play.

In that case, audio processing is done by the AVR and the Oppo just passes it through as bits. The AVR is used for audio.

In a less usual case, the Oppo can use analog outputs (instead of HDMI or optical or ... ) to the AVR. In this case the Oppo handles the audio. It's more of a hassle and in my opinion is similar to the digital connections in quality.

Most folks have the Oppo do the video processing unless you have something down the line which is much better at processing video. I'd say a 4 year old AVR might not compete well, so you'd set the pass through in the AVR, so the signal from the Oppo is touched as little as possible.

You can use the HDMI inputs on the Oppo to process your cable box, I'm doing this with a 103D and it works very well.
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We'll that just made it harder. I had the Samsung F7500 and now have a Sony S6200. I loved the Sammy but it started malfunctioning and the Sony just seems off. So my guess is that the 103 (not 103D) would be a better upgrade to both anyway. And a 103D would be an upgrade go all three. Not sure if I would want the extra processing it false processing that the Darbee provides. Samsung TVs are known for their extra processing and more digital look which to me is too much of an LCD look. I won a Zt60 and a KURO and enjoy the film like presentation of each over the digital look a Samsung provides.

Also seems like the 103D would benefit screens that are large. I have a 60" so idk if it would be worth the extra hundred dollars. Man this is a tough choice. The good thing about the Darbee is that it can just be turned off but if that's the case I mine as well of bought the regular 103.
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60" screen? Then just get the non Darbee version, unless you are sitting four feet from the screen or something.

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We'll that just made it harder. I had the Samsung F7500 and now have a Sony S6200. I loved the Sammy but it started malfunctioning and the Sony just seems off. So my guess is that the 103 (not 103D) would be a better upgrade to both anyway. And a 103D would be an upgrade go all three. Not sure if I would want the extra processing it false processing that the Darbee provides. Samsung TVs are known for their extra processing and more digital look which to me is too much of an LCD look. I won a Zt60 and a KURO and enjoy the film like presentation of each over the digital look a Samsung provides.

Also seems like the 103D would benefit screens that are large. I have a 60" so idk if it would be worth the extra hundred dollars. Man this is a tough choice. The good thing about the Darbee is that it can just be turned off but if that's the case I mine as well of bought the regular 103.
Do yourself a favor and just get the 103D so you have no regrets later. The fact that your wheels are spinning now, I kinda know how you think and you will end up kicking yourself later if you settle on the 103 without the darbee. Worst case you can turn it off, but at least you won't have to wonder. I have the 103D and love it. The darbee works, but to me not night and day. Just my two cents.
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