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Hi!

i still have major audio dropouts when watching Dolby True Hd movies!!

i thought this was fixed in a firmware but apparently not!

if i change HDMI Audio to PCM not Bitstream then the problem is solved but Bitstream should work also!

i use Emotiva UMC-200 as a Processor.

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Hi!

i still have major audio dropouts when watching Dolby True Hd movies!!

i thought this was fixed in a firmware but apparently not!

if i change HDMI Audio to PCM not Bitstream then the problem is solved but Bitstream should work also!

i use Emotiva UMC-200 as a Processor.

//Mikael
The fix for Monters U was first introduced in 69-0124B and I recall hearing that it would fix some cases but not all.

"Should work": well, yes, but this is Dolby's fault, along with the studios who deployed an authoring technique without proper testing. Complaints to them, please.

The ultimate fix to the existing problem discs is new firmware in the receivers, but that doesn't often happen, so we get the complaints in the player forums.

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Hi!

i still have major audio dropouts when watching Dolby True Hd movies!!

i thought this was fixed in a firmware but apparently not!

if i change HDMI Audio to PCM not Bitstream then the problem is solved but Bitstream should work also!

i use Emotiva UMC-200 as a Processor.

//Mikael
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The fix for Monters U was first introduced in 69-0124B and I recall hearing that it would fix some cases but not all.

"Should work": well, yes, but this is Dolby's fault, along with the studios who deployed an authoring technique without proper testing. Complaints to them, please.

The ultimate fix to the existing problem discs is new firmware in the receivers, but that doesn't often happen, so we get the complaints in the player forums.

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There was a significant improvement with this on either 68-1224 or 68-1225B. I've not experienced any significant audio dropouts on Dolby TrueHD tracks with any subsequent firmware. I also have seen the suggestion that the dropouts were Dolby's fault because of the way the discs were authored, and agree that if that is truly the case that a firmware update in the device doing the bitstream decoding (the AVR) would probably need to be the fix. Of course there never has been any problem when the Oppo is doing the bitstream decoding (set to LCPM output). However I find it curious and confusing that either one or multiple Oppo firmware update(s) apparently corrected the majority of the dropouts I was experiencing on Dolby TrueHD audio with bitstream output. If this is only a case of authoring in a manner that the bitstream decoder has difficulty with, how does a firmware update on the Oppo effect this at all when the Oppo isn't doing the bitstream decoding?
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^ My understanding is that Dolby has confirmed to OPPO that the Bitstream output of the player is "correct". Any remaining problems are in the Receivers. The processing in the player involves extracting the Bitstream audio from the disc and packaging it up for HDMI output. It was possible for the player to do that in a way that reduced, but evidently did not completely eliminate, the chance that the Bitstream decoders in the Receivers would screw up. This is content dependent -- specifically, which Dolby tools were used to produce the content on disc and how far the studio's authors pushed those tools. The problem arises when newer authoring tools are used with older decoders in the Receivers.

As discussed, the workaround, if your receiver hiccups on this stuff, is to let the OPPO do the decoding -- set HDMI Audio LPCM for such tracks.
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In recent builds the Oppo added the capability to play DSD DFF files (mime type audio/x-dff) via UPnP push. And according to my testing this capability works just fine.

But there is still a niggle that needs to be fixed: a UPnP renderer is supposed to respond to a UPnP GetProtocolInfo request with a SinkProtocolInfo return value giving a list of all the media formats that it can play. Presently the Oppo can play tracks with mime type audio/x-dff but it does not include audio/x-dff in its SinkProtocolInfo response list. So I hope that Oppo can correct this inconsistency in its next software release.

Is there some one here (Bob for example) who can convey this request to the developers please?
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In recent builds the Oppo added the capability to play DSD DFF files (mime type audio/x-dff) via UPnP push. And according to my testing this capability works just fine.

But there is still a niggle that needs to be fixed: a UPnP renderer is supposed to respond to a UPnP GetProtocolInfo request with a SinkProtocolInfo return value giving a list of all the media formats that it can play. Presently the Oppo can play tracks with mime type audio/x-dff but it does not include audio/x-dff in its SinkProtocolInfo response list. So I hope that Oppo can correct this inconsistency in its next software release.

Is there some one here (Bob for example) who can convey this request to the developers please?
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Hi!

i still have major audio dropouts when watching Dolby True Hd movies!!

i thought this was fixed in a firmware but apparently not!

if i change HDMI Audio to PCM not Bitstream then the problem is solved but Bitstream should work also!

i use Emotiva UMC-200 as a Processor.

//Mikael
I bitstream Dolby True HD from 103 to my Denon 3808 with no issues.

I agree, Denon is a piece of junk compared to high-end processors / receivers (Classe, Anthem Statement, ...) but compared to Emotiva Denon is a king.

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Dolby TrueHD

The last time I checked, playback of Blu-ray disc's containing Dolby TrueHD worked fine with my Onkyo amp.

However, I do remember having playback issues when the Dolby TrueHD is placed within the .MKV container, but I suspect this may be because the Dolby Digital core is automatically removed during muxing.

Playback issues become more apparent if you place Dolby TrueHD within the .MKA container as 'audio only' file...

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I agree, Denon is a piece of junk compared to high-end processors / receivers (Classe, Anthem Statement, ...)
That's pretty harsh, and those of us who own top of the line Denon gear, such as the AVP-A1HDCI surround sound processor, would strongly disagree with your statement.
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The last time I checked, playback of Blu-ray disc's containing Dolby TrueHD worked fine with my Onkyo amp.

However, I do remember having playback issues when the Dolby TrueHD is placed within the .MKV container, but I suspect this may be because the Dolby Digital core is automatically removed during muxing.

Playback issues become more apparent if you place Dolby TrueHD within the .MKA container as 'audio only' file...
I forgot to write that i only watch movies through network and Mkv remix files.

everything else works flawless.
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That's pretty harsh, and those of us who own top of the line Denon gear, such as the AVP-A1HDCI surround sound processor, would strongly disagree with your statement.
I'm a Denon user myself (3808) and it is flawless. My point was that if you use an Emotiva pre/pro, you can expect problems based on their history.
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I forgot to write that i only watch movies through network and Mkv remix files.
Do you know which muxing application was used to create these 'problem' .MKV muxes with Dolby TrueHD audio?

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Just received a refurb 103 at work this morning.
My PS3 decided it doesn't want to play 3D discs just when I got a new 60" display. So I decided to get a dedicated player to match up with all my hi-res audio discs as well as trying 3D.
You can thank me when the announcement of Oppo's replacement product comes out next week! ;-)

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Looking for a straight up answer from Oppo owners. I currently have a Sony S790 and i consider the PQ to be top notch. Recently, I've been experiencing some weird glitches, and I think it's time for me to start looking into buying a new player. I don't have a sound system, and I'm not interested in streaming and/or playing any type of files format. My main concern is mainly the PQ on Blu rays. Will the Oppo give me a better PQ coming from a Sony S790? Is is really $300 better? I would also consider the 103D if there is a considerably bump in PQ. Any opinions from past S790 owners woud be greatly appreciated!
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Will the Oppo give me a better PQ
Probably not. Do you calibrate the display? That will make a bigger difference than swapping gear.

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I would also consider the 103D if there is a considerably bump in PQ.
Darbee processing is a whole different factor. Have you read about it or seen it in action? The effect is subtle when used properly but many people find it a positive one.

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Looking for a straight up answer from Oppo owners. I currently have a Sony S790 and i consider the PQ to be top notch. Recently, I've been experiencing some weird glitches, and I think it's time for me to start looking into buying a new player. I don't have a sound system, and I'm not interested in streaming and/or playing any type of files format. My main concern is mainly the PQ on Blu rays. Will the Oppo give me a better PQ coming from a Sony S790? Is is really $300 better? I would also consider the 103D if there is a considerably bump in PQ. Any opinions from past S790 owners woud be greatly appreciated!
Straight answer?
If not interested in streaming/file format support and when not having a sound system I would suggest you buy something cheaper.
When using HDMI all Blu-ray players *should* produce EXACTLY the same image (when turning off all image enhancement options of course).

So my advice in your particular case : buy some cheap Blu-ray with HDMI which has good reviews.
(for your info : the Oppo is the best Blu-ray player I have ever had, but I am using alot more functions than you)

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It looks to me like the BD input is the default setting. Can that be changed? I watch more TV than movies so it would be nice if I could set the HDMI input as default so I wouldn't have to change it every time I turn on the unit.

D* HR44 to 103 to split A/V.
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Looking for a straight up answer from Oppo owners. I currently have a Sony S790 and i consider the PQ to be top notch. Recently, I've been experiencing some weird glitches, and I think it's time for me to start looking into buying a new player. I don't have a sound system, and I'm not interested in streaming and/or playing any type of files format. My main concern is mainly the PQ on Blu rays. Will the Oppo give me a better PQ coming from a Sony S790? Is is really $300 better? I would also consider the 103D if there is a considerably bump in PQ. Any opinions from past S790 owners woud be greatly appreciated!
Walmart has a couple with the same PQ for $39.98.

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It looks to me like the BD input is the default setting. Can that be changed? I watch more TV than movies so it would be nice if I could set the HDMI input as default so I wouldn't have to change it every time I turn on the unit.

D* HR44 to 103 to split A/V.
I have the 105 and you can set it to Last Input in the Settings Menu. Not sure if the 103 has the same thing.

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It looks to me like the BD input is the default setting. Can that be changed? I watch more TV than movies so it would be nice if I could set the HDMI input as default so I wouldn't have to change it every time I turn on the unit.

D* HR44 to 103 to split A/V.
You can have it startup using the last input used. If that's not right you still have to use the INPUT button.

Setup -> Playback Setup -> Power On Input = Last Input

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I have the 105 and you can set it to Last Input in the Settings Menu. Not sure if the 103 has the same thing.
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You can have it startup using the last input used. If that's not right you still have to use the INPUT button.

Setup -> Playback Setup -> Power On Input = Last Input

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That works. Thanks

It's a 12 second delay before it kicks in, but that's faster than having to select it every time.
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In recent builds the Oppo added the capability to play DSD DFF files (mime type audio/x-dff) via UPnP push. And according to my testing this capability works just fine.

But there is still a niggle that needs to be fixed: a UPnP renderer is supposed to respond to a UPnP GetProtocolInfo request with a SinkProtocolInfo return value giving a list of all the media formats that it can play. Presently the Oppo can play tracks with mime type audio/x-dff but it does not include audio/x-dff in its SinkProtocolInfo response list. So I hope that Oppo can correct this inconsistency in its next software release.

Is there some one here (Bob for example) who can convey this request to the developers please?

Bob I saw that you posted this request to the developers. My question is similar but may not be related. I'm using JRiver 19 on my server, with JRemote running on my iPad, and loving my multi-channel DSD music. From my iPad and JRemote my 105 plays the .dff files without a hiccup, but doesn't like the .dsf files and will not play them. Searched this thread and others looking for setup guidance to see if my JRiver is set up properly. Believe the proper setting in JRiver is to convert the 64DSD to 192kHz. Also in the Tools/Media Network/Advanced menu, if I select the Bitstream DSD (requires DoPE compliant renderer) neither the DFF or DSF files will play. Believe the 105 is a DoPE compliant render. On my 105, the Audio format setting for DSD= DSD and I am outputting via analogs to my SSP-800.


What am I missing or is DSD dsf over Ethernet not yet a working feature? As a test I am putting the same DSD DSF file on my USB stick and will use the front panel USB on the 105 to see if that works. Thanks for anyone's help.

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Passing DSD (.dsf and .dff) via UPnP

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What am I missing or is DSD dsf over Ethernet not yet a working feature? As a test I am putting the same DSD DSF file on my USB stick and will use the front panel USB on the 105 to see if that works. Thanks for anyone's help.
I can confirm that with the newest firmware, I am able access and play DSD files stored on my Synology NAS with an .dsf and .dff file extension via SMB and UPnP...

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I'm using JRiver 19 on my server, with JRemote running on my iPad, and loving my multi-channel DSD music. From my iPad and JRemote my 105 plays the .dff files without a hiccup, but doesn't like the .dsf files and will not play them. Searched this thread and others looking for setup guidance to see if my JRiver is set up properly. Believe the proper setting in JRiver is to convert the 64DSD to 192kHz. Also in the Tools/Media Network/Advanced menu, if I select the Bitstream DSD (requires DoPE compliant renderer) neither the DFF or DSF files will play. Believe the 105 is a DoPE compliant render. On my 105, the Audio format setting for DSD= DSD and I am outputting via analogs to my SSP-800.


What am I missing or is DSD dsf over Ethernet not yet a working feature? As a test I am putting the same DSD DSF file on my USB stick and will use the front panel USB on the 105 to see if that works. Thanks for anyone's help.
I don't know enough about the JRiver DLNA server to know if this is supposed to work or not at this point. AndrewFG's report seems to suggest forcing some MIME types to be enabled may be needed. Let's see if any of the JRiver experts here chime in.
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I was all set to buy the 103 for my hubby. When reading through this thread to find ideal settings to set it up i found the mention of this "Darbee" model.

www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP-103D-Universal-Blu-ray-Edition/dp/B00GPFM106/

Now im torn what to pick, is it worth the extra $100? some of the reviewers are excited about it, some dont think it was worth it....at $500/$600 I would have to make the right choice from the get go.
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I was all set to buy the 103 for my hubby. When reading through this thread to find ideal settings to set it up i found the mention of this "Darbee" model.

www.amazon.com/OPPO-BDP-103D-Universal-Blu-ray-Edition/dp/B00GPFM106/

Now im torn what to pick, is it worth the extra $100? some of the reviewers are excited about it, some dont think it was worth it....at $500/$600 I would have to make the right choice from the get go.
The improvement is a subtle one and a matter of subjective taste.

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I can confirm that with the newest firmware, I am able access and play DSD files stored on my Synology NAS with an .dsf and .dff file extension via SMB and UPnP...
Is your NAS connected to oppo via USB or by network?

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I'm using JRiver 19 on my server, with JRemote running on my iPad, and loving my multi-channel DSD music. From my iPad and JRemote my 105 plays the .dff files without a hiccup, but doesn't like the .dsf files and will not play them. Searched this thread and others looking for setup guidance to see if my JRiver is set up properly. Believe the proper setting in JRiver is to convert the 64DSD to 192kHz.
No. Do not transcode the DSD stream in JRiver. The Oppo 10x players want to see the DSD audio file "as is". In your "Add or Configure DLNA servers" menu, set the "Audio" field to "Original", and no checkboxes set in the "Audio/Advanced section".

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Also in the Tools/Media Network/Advanced menu, if I select the Bitstream DSD (requires DoPE compliant renderer) neither the DFF or DSF files will play. Believe the 105 is a DoPE compliant render. On my 105, the Audio format setting for DSD= DSD and I am outputting via analogs to my SSP-800.
Do NOT select that option in JRiver's "Media Network/Advanced" menu. As stated above, the Oppo 10x players do NOT want the DSD stream repackaged in any other format other than the .dsf or .dff container. You can set "DLNA" and "DLNAExtra" in the Advanced menue, but that's about it.


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What am I missing or is DSD dsf over Ethernet not yet a working feature? Thanks for anyone's help.
There is no DoPE implementation in the 10x players.

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I have some problems with my new OPPO 103D, interested if there is others who noticed the same, sorry if its written somewhere in this threat, its to long to read it all.

There seems to be a problem with the high frequence croma signal on HDMI 1 out, looks perfect on HDMI 2 out, also it changes color space output even its forced to 4:2:2 in the setup menu, it output RGB, but it can be changed back to 4:2:2 if selecting RGB and back to 4:2:2. untill the next time its started up again.

I did a factory reset, and checked all settings.

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