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Old 07-03-2014, 04:59 AM
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Oh please, are you really looking for a loudness war like in the music industry?
For Christ sake, a movie can never be too dynamic.
It's probably because people nowadays never hear anything dynamic anymore that they are complaining about this in movies.

But in most cases it is just an incorrect setup of the audio system anyway.
Of COURSE a movie can be too dynamic. Shoddy sound mixing -- the "louder is better" school -- is just as prevalent today as always, perhaps more so. I think of it as the audible equivalent of shoddy color grading -- the "orange aliens from planet teal" school.

That said, you are correct that folks should look to their speaker configuration and room treatments before assuming all the problems are in the sound mix.
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Hiroshima SACD sounds like I'm at the concert.

I'm hardly the one to ask at this point but I use dual HDMI out. Have 3D display but HDMI 1.3 receiver. The ONE movie I've watched has no lip synch issues.

Pleasantly surprised that while not a pretty interface I was able to play some MKV's off my NAS through the 103 just fine. Loaded them quickly too. Passed through the DTS MA HD sound track too.

Edit: Wow, switched SACD out from DSD to PCM. Letting the 103 do the SACD heavy lifting. My Denon 3808ci DSD in has been quite satisfactory. It is no slouch. However it is like night and day. Denon DSD doing the work almost anemic once I listened to PCM. Where did all that bass and fullness come from? Digital is supposed to be digital yes?

My goodness.......
When you use DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion, whether that's being done in the OPPO (SACD Output = DSD, via the Analog outs) or being done in your AVR -- you must forego ALL AUDIO PROCESSING. Audio processing is done digitally with LPCM audio, and if you send DSD to the DACs that can't happen.

So, for example, if you have Crossover processing or Room Correction active in your Denon, when you configure the Denon to do DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion your bypass all that. When you have the OPPO send LPCM instead, then any such processing remains in place in the Denon.
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Perhaps a newbie question. Did not find answer on first search of this thread. Heading to Google next.

Is there a remote command to launch Pandora directly like Netflix and Vudu?
From the remote control, no. Using the RS-232 serial control interface, yes. The specs for the serial control interface (typically used with a custom theater control system) are available on OPPO's support page for the player.
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If using just HDMI1, I thought there would be a setting to turn HDMI2 output OFF. Does the player do this automatically if it senses no signal/connection on HDMI2 ?
If only the HDMI 1 output is cabled, or if the device at the other end of the HDMI 2 cable has shut down that input, then the HDMI 2 output of the OPPO is not generated. The SPLIT A/V vs. DUAL DISPLAY choice in Setup is also ignored if only one HDMI output is "live".
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DSD-PCM out difference....

Well my Denon has done its internal room correction so I think I'd rather leave that in place. At least that explains why one sounds different and to me better.


Pandora remote....

If there is a discrete code Logitech can add it. But I'm thinking there is no actual code if it is serial. Is that correct? While hardly a high priority could a code be added to the FW to go directly to Pandora if the unit can respond to the serial command?

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^ The serial port commands, by design, cover more ground than the normal, Infrared Remote commands. It is unlikely it will be added to the IR command set. It might be possible to do it with the internet (IP) command set.
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Shoddy sound mixing -- the "louder is better" school -- is just as prevalent today as always, perhaps more so. I think of it as the audible equivalent of shoddy color grading -- the "orange aliens from planet teal" school.
Quite possibly the most hysterically erudite synopsis of the modern world's lack of appreciation for deep value that I've ever read.

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" It might be possible to do it with the internet (IP) command set."

I'm listening....


Just tried some of the App based stuff. So much to learn it seems. Probably could stream Pandora directly off iPhone. But I'd rather use the OPPO by itself. Would be using my home network and not phone line time but prefer one stop shopping. I can create an activity, read macro, that goes through each step and gets to Pandora. That can be an interesting journey however.

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While playing a SACD and hitting the Home button on the remote the 103 locked up. Showed the OPPO opening screen and went no further. Had to power off and back on to get it to respond to remote commands.

Edit: Tried it again after power off reboot. Works fine now.

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If only the HDMI 1 output is cabled, or if the device at the other end of the HDMI 2 cable has shut down that input, then the HDMI 2 output of the OPPO is not generated. The SPLIT A/V vs. DUAL DISPLAY choice in Setup is also ignored if only one HDMI output is "live".
Thanks Bob... I was hoping it worked that way. I would have been surprised if Oppo had not built in a shut off feature, though I would still prefer to turn off HDMI2 in the settings menu if I knew I would not be using it.

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Oppo 103 question

Forgive my ignorant question, but I am fairly green with electronics. I just bought an oppo 103 to go with a new samsung 7150. What should I set the upscale settings at for this tv.....I assume only 1080i as the tv is not a 4k, so I assume trying to upscale to that is pointless?

Any help or tips would be great?
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Forgive my ignorant question, but I am fairly green with electronics. I just bought an oppo 103 to go with a new samsung 7150. What should I set the upscale settings at for this tv.....I assume only 1080i as the tv is not a 4k, so I assume trying to upscale to that is pointless?

Any help or tips would be great?
Set the player to 1080p.

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Watching first 3D movie, Despicable Me 2. Sure had some trouble negotiating the first parts of the disk that were 2D. Blanked out the display a couple of times. Seemed to be some kind of handshake issue.

Once to the Main Menu and playing the 3D movie everything seemed fine. But the blanking back and forth is hardly pleasing to watch.

Have used Sony and Panasonic 3D bluray players in past. None of them did that blanking in and out with the beginning of this 3D bluray.

What do I need to check in terms of settings, etc.?

Edit: I am connected directly to my 3D display out HDMI1. When I set the OPPO to "Forced" the symptom goes away. Which makes sense because then the auto setting isn't checking back and forth between the OPPO and my display, Mitsubishi 65738, and its 3D capability.

However and as noted my Sony and Panasonic bluray players negotiate the 3D connection fine and they are both set to Auto as well.

I just tried Despicable Me 1 and same symptom. OPPO set to "AUTO" for 3D and the beginning of the disk screens flash in and out so fast I can't select 3D. With the OPPO set to "AUTO", screens flashing, if I catch the "Select 3D" and actually select 3D from that moment on everything is fine.

OPPO set to "Forced" and the symptom does not present itself.

While its great to have the setting so the 3D works, AUTO should not act in this fashion. Not when my 100 dollar Sony gets this thing right.

How can I help?

TV set to AUTO as well other wise I'd get 3D on it regardless of source.

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I am about ready to start installing the components and wiring up my new home theater and have a question. First - the relevant components:
  1. OPPO 103 BD
  2. Lumagen Radiance 2021 Video Processor
  3. Denon 4520ci AVR
  4. JVC RS57 Projector

The OPPO of course has the spit av mode where you can run one HDMI out to the projector and the other to the AVR, but I will have the Lumagen in the chain for video processing, darbee, etc. and was wondering about any recommendations (and reasons for the recommendation) as how to wire this thing up. The Lumagen has several HDMI inputs (others might connect to DirecTV box, media player, etc.) and also does a split AV type of output. So what would be best?

OPPO HDMI video (whichever one is best, have to look at manual again) will go to Lumagen

1. OPPO single connection to Lumagen with Lumagen splitting video to projector and audio to AVR
2. OPPO HDMI video to Lumagen and other OPPO HDMI out to AVR
3. Combination - can send audio from both OPPO audio out and Lumagen audio out to Denon on separate inputs
4. Something else?

Thanks in advance for any input
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Now I've lost audio on HDMI2 with 3D set to "Forced". I used the Mute button, had the speaker with the red line across it. Hit it again to turn speaker back on and I have no audio on HDMI2.

Set 3D to off, I have audio.

Edit:

Had to set HDMI2 to Blank, I think that is the setting, to get audio back for 3d.

However OPPO 3D to "Forced" is not the solution. Just tried Avatar 3D. Same symptom when on forced. It is clearly something between the display and the player in terms of what the OPPO thinks it can send via 3D.

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Now I've lost audio on HDMI2 with 3D set to "Forced". I used the Mute button, had the speaker with the red line across it. Hit it again to turn speaker back on and I have no audio on HDMI2.

Set 3D to off, I have audio.

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Had to set HDMI2 to Blank, I think that is the setting, to get audio back for 3d.

However OPPO 3D to "Forced" is not the solution. Just tried Avatar 3D. Same symptom when on forced. It is clearly something between the display and the player in terms of what the OPPO thinks it can send via 3D.
Just a WAG, but how old are your HDMI cables? Perhaps they don't have enough bandwidth for 3D in your new configuration. You would need high-speed HDMI cables if you don't have them now, although if you are using the Oppo-supplied cable, at least that one would suffice. Are your other ones high speed?
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It sounds like you may be expecting too much. Your old players did not have near the capabilities that the 103 has,
so they had less things to process and an easier time of ones and zeros getting to where they need to go in a timely fashion.
Handshaking between info screens and such before a movie is perfectly normal, and in order to not trip up the player you really shouldn't go pressing all kinds
of buttons and commands before the player has a chance to process what it's being given.
It sounds like you may be trying to trip up the player and then being successful at it when there is no need.
If a setting of "forced" works for you, then use that setting, that is what it is for.
The player offers "auto" and "forced" so that you have the choice in choosing which is best for your setup, so need need to complain about one actually working.

The studios are known for throwing in all kinds of different coding and such, especially for copy protection and those things will vary greatly from disc to disc.
So, you will see these handshakes and sometimes even hanging and freezing and that really is not always the fault of the player,
because again, the coding of the discs themselves will change from title to title and the player was not engineered for that new encoding.
(it did not exist when the player and software were released to public)
Sometimes the problems are so bad that Oppo may actually use their own time and money to try and fix problems with certain discs via a firmware update, but that is rare. Also as mentioned by the post before me, check to make sure your cables are up to snuff as sometimes that can also be an issue.
If the feature film on the disc actually plays from beginning to end without problems, then I'd consider that a win.
If you are indeed having problems during the movie feature then you may want to send Oppo support an email describing the problem.

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" It sounds like you may be expecting too much"

Huh? How is expecting a 500 bluray player to perform in a similar fashion as a 100 dollar player expecting too much? I'm not pressing any buttons beyond loading the disk. It sits there and cycles/flashes back and forth until I can make a choice. I'm not trying to trip up the player. I'm trying to enjoy a 3D movie and show my wife why I spent 500 dollars.

I'm using the HDMI cable that came with the 103. I did not reuse old cable.

The beginning of Lord of The Rings Hobbit and Desolation of Smaug did not do the screen flashing BUT they do not cycle back and forth between 2D and 3D waiting for the use to decide which one to use.

That is the common variable so far on the previous 3D movies. They have an introduction screen that needs the user to decide and those screens are in 2D.

Hobbit and Desolation of Smaug are 3D from the get go.

If I'm expecting too much than 500 is too high.

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LOL, you are trying to find fault where it may not necessarily be the fault of the player.
You are even saying, the handshaking flashes (which are usually considered normal) don't happen on all discs. So that tells you it's the coding of the discs.
Plus when those screens come and go, they are most likely switching between 2D, 3D, and also different resolutions.
The player must then initiate a new handshake whenever those things happen.
The flashing you are seeing is the result of those handshakes.
It may very well be possible that your old player was so slow at showing what is being processed, that the handshakes don't show on screen as easily.

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"So that tells you it's the coding of the discs."

Again huh?

The disks play fine on 3 other bluray players. But its the disks?

I've filed a report with OPPO on-line tech support. We'll see what they say. If they attempt to blame the disks the 103 heads back to Amazon pronto.
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^ If it happens again try changing the OPPO's output Resolution to 1080i and back to 1080p to force a new handshake on both HDMI outputs.

Also check what the AVR says is coming in as input (i.e., does it see Video on that input).

Also try shifting the AVR to a different input and back.

Most likely the AVR has not properly triggered the new handshake. If the AVR has a setting for faster HDMI switching, try turning that OFF.
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It has happened now a third time, and I think I now know what triggers the event. Apparently switching inputs on my TV to the Oppo (which triggers a handshake for HDMI 1) followed by switching my AVR to the Oppo (triggering a handshake for HDMI 2) before the HDMI 1 handshake is complete is the cause. My TV indicates 1080p (but not 1080p/24) video input from the Oppo, and any playback from a Blu-ray disc does appear to be 1080p (as well as any overlaid info from the Oppo), but the Oppo's menu screens appear to be a considerably lower resolution as exhibited by the words Berliner Philharmoniker in the yellow icon being nearly unreadable. My AVR indicates 1080/24p RGB Full/24 bit from HDMI 2 when playing a Blu-ray disc, and PCM audio (rather than the DTS-HD MA 5.1 on the Blu-ray disc). The 103 indicates "No Audio" on HDMI 2 and no audio is output on the AVR. When the 103's home screen is displayed, the AVR indicates 480/60p RGB Full/24 bit from the 103's HDMI 2. The wireless connection does not appear to be affected this time, and the Wireless settings are not grayed out.

Switching to 1080i results in the AVR showing 1080/60i RGB Full / 24 bit from HDMI 2 while on menu screen. Switching to 1080p results in the AVR showing 1080/60p RGB Full / 24 bit from HDMI 2 while on menu screen. Neither of these settings (nor switching either way between them) restores audio or clears the issue. Switching through all other inputs on the AVR and then back to the 103's HMDI 2 does not restore audio or clear the issue.

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"So that tells you it's the coding of the discs."

Again huh?

The disks play fine on 3 other bluray players. But its the disks?

I've filed a report with OPPO on-line tech support. We'll see what they say. If they attempt to blame the disks the 103 heads back to Amazon pronto.
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My first guess is that your Mitsubishi 65738 might be having trouble with the output from the Oppo. Yes, the problem could be in the Oppo, but don't overlook any of the components in the chain. Do you have any other TV with 3D capability you could test the Oppo on?

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Yes. And I tested the OPPO with my other 3D display and reconnected my other 3D bluray players to the Mit.

The symptom is limited to the OPPO and of the disk I tested so far the three I noted are problematic. My family is trying to enjoy the evening and at the moment watching Star Trek Into the Darkness 2D.

I have several other 3D's I can test later.

The OPPO is having some kind of problem with the type of disk that is formatted/coded like the Despicable Me 3D ones are. Other players do not.

My hope is OPPO will address it.

The idea that my expectation is too high or that I was trying to trip up the player is offensive.

Edit: And I'm thinking using dual HDMI out. I'd bet the problem doesn't show up if using only one HDMI output.

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Okay fair enough. Please excuse me if you have already answered this, but is your player connected to the internet and have you updated the firmware to the latest version? Seems so simple and obvious, but it's one potential factor to be checked off the list.

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Yes. And I tested the OPPO with my other 3D display and reconnected my other 3D bluray players to the Mit.

The symptom is limited to the OPPO and of the disk I tested so far the three I noted are problematic. My family is trying to enjoy the evening and at the moment watching Star Trek Into the Darkness 2D.

I have several other 3D's I can test later.

The OPPO is having some kind of problem with the type of disk that is formatted/coded like the Despicable Me 3D ones are. Other players do not.

My hope is OPPO will address it.

The idea that my expectation is too high or that I was trying to trip up the player is offensive.

Edit: And I'm thinking using dual HDMI out. I'd bet the problem doesn't show up if using only one HDMI output.
You shouldn't take "offense" so easily. The way you described what you were doing with the player sounded like you were trying to initiate commands while the handshaking was taking place. If that's not the case then I was wrong, but don't be so sensitive, I was only trying to help you understand how these things work sometimes.

...and yes, now that you finally admit to using dual hdmi output, which you failed to mention before, that will also cause handshaking issues sometimes because the player has to communicate with 2 different devices instead of just one.
Are your other players connected to 2 different displays or other devices via hdmi output?
If not then that is probably why their handshaking seems better because they are only communicating with one device.
Again, you are only seeing some handshaking flashes on the screen and the player is still resolving properly and not hanging up or freezing causing
you to stop/eject the disc or power cycle the player to recover, right?
It sounds to me like it's working properly. If the sight of a few handshakes on screen it detrimental to your satisfaction of the player,
then you may be better of with something else.

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Tested several 3D's. The pattern holds regarding the disk needing to manage 2D at the beginning. Any of those that are 3D from the get go have no issues. Something about the way the disk is telling the player it is a 3D disk yet being 2D as at presents the option to select 3D or 2D is causing an issue.

Issue that only presents itself with the 103 with dual HDMI.

Edit: Despicable Me's are what I'd recommend for the source to test the issue.

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Yes JR all updated. Connected to the internet but BD Live turned off.

Edit: Dual HDMI has been mentioned several times.

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^ In Setup > Video Setup > 3D Options, try setting Blank HDMI 2 Video.

If you have HDMI from the AVR to the Display, try disconnecting that so the only HDMI to the Display is the HDMI 1 feed from the OPPO.

Set an explicit Resolution of 1080p. (Not AUTO and not Source Direct.)

Set an explicit HDMI Color Space choice for both HDMI 1 and 2. (Not AUTO.) YCbCr 4:4:4 is the usual choice unless you have found reason to use something else.

Set an explicit choice of HDMI Audio LPCM or Bitstream. (Not AUTO.)

In Setup > Device Setup, turn off HDMI CEC.

If the above doesn't fix it, try also turning off Deep Color output for both HDMI 1 and 2.
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"Blank HDMI 2 Video. "

Had to otherwise lost audio on HDMI2 to AVR. No audio signal at all on the HDMI2 out if not set to "Blank".

"disconnecting that so the only HDMI to the Display is the HDMI 1 feed from the OPPO."

Can do so to test. Can't do so long term as other stuff runs through the AVR to the display. But glad to test it.

"explicit Resolution of 1080p. (Not AUTO and not Source Direct.)"

Had already been done.

"explicit HDMI Color Space choice for both HDMI 1 and 2. (Not AUTO.) YCbCr 4:4:4"

Had done that as well but only for HDMI1. Left HDMI2 at auto thinking it was audio only and didn't need any color space setting. Plus I need to check the Denon. It has color space options and it might be on RGB now. The Denon video stuff is all off and the signal just passes through. So I've never messed with it. The OPPO is connected to the TV directly via HDMI1.

"choice of HDMI Audio LPCM or Bitstream. (Not AUTO.)"

Did leave that at AUTO. Will change it to Bitstream.

"turn off HDMI CEC"

I never use it and it is already off.


"turning off Deep Color output for both HDMI 1 and 2."

I do have it on. Will turn it off for both HDMI1/2.

Will make these changes and test. Still does not bode well with me that my 100 dollar Sony BX59 did not need any of this kind of fooling around to allow Despicable Me's to work properly......

Glad to test and try variables however. Thanks for the suggestions. Will get back to you in a bit.

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Here's what I got.

When I pull the HDMI cable from my AVR the menu screen flashing stops. I tried all the other variables, suggested settings, etc., and the only intervention that stopped the flashing was pulling the HDMI from my RCVR to my TV.

Did a little more digging.

To my surprise despite having HDMI2 set to AV SPLIT it still has video on it. Video that is getting passed through it to the relevant HDMI in on the TV.

The TV even though CEC/HDMI control is off some how senses the video on both of its HDMI inputs. The TV does the handshaking thing until it decides which to use.

Why is there any video at all on the HDMI2 which hits my rcvr and gets passed through to the TV HDMI IN?

Given the Denon is 1.3 those 3D only disk and it don't play well together. But these disk that have some 2D at the beginning the 1.3 rcvr can do something with that signal, tries, it gets passed on through the RCVR and we have the hand shaking thing going on....

That's a guess but reasonable me thinks.

My Denon allows me to redirect the video input. I've never wanted to play a different audio for a different video source but my Denon, as do other rcvrs, has that option.

So I set the VIDEO input to my media player which is of course turned off. So there is no video signal on the HDMI in at my rcvr.

Ran through opening menus for both Despicable Me's, how can you not love them minons, and NO flashing.

The TV is only dealing with one video signal on the HDMI ports, the OPPO 3D signal.

Seems to me when I select AV Split there should be no video on the HDMI2 fed. And if I select BLANK that should also mean the only thing on the HDMI2 fed is AUDIO.

If I select multiple monitors then YES, there should be video on HDMI2. But for AV SPLIT, I don't understand why there is video present to mess with my TV's mind.

Thanks for your help Bob. Hope these results are helpful.

Can I test any other variable for you?

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