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Could you give me an example of a DLNA media player that would give me the same performance as a Mede8er 600X3D and the Oppo's video processing?
You'll probably find some useful information within this dedicated Oppo BDP-83/93/95/103/105 DLNA/UPnP thread...

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Unfortunately with the HDMI inputs on the Oppo, I am unable to pass-through the lossless audio.
If your media player can convert the Dolby and DTS lossless formats to LPCM (which is still lossless - it's essentially the same as unzipping the contents form a zip file), you could send that through the Oppo's HDMI inputs. If you're otherwise happy with the user interface and such, that should give you a very usable solution. You just won't have the Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio lights lit on your receiver.
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You just won't have the Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio lights lit on your receiver.
We all like to see those lights though... don't we.

Thanks for everyone's input and help. I'll begin some more research
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We all like to see those lights though... don't we.
We do, but what really matters is how it sounds. The lights being lit or not shouldn't make a difference in the final sound quality. Given that it wouldn't cost you anything and should be really easy to configure, it's worth giving it a try.
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I run into BD-Live nonsense like this from time to time during testing. I always pop the disc into a PS3 I keep handy for just such purposes. If the same BD-Live failure happens there, I chalk it up to stupid studio programming tricks and stop worrying about it.

For example, if the studio changes the Internet name for their server older discs won't find it any longer.

The most recent example was a Sony disc just 2 years from its release date. Studios don't really care about BD-Live any longer.
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Yes, I agree. It's basically just BS. I never thought about the server issue. But like you said I really won't be using it.
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A few questions about the updated Netflix app on the Oppo 103


Do you get the option to Start at the Beginning or just Resume like Roku3 app?
What is the maximum bit rate? Does it go to 5800kbps 1080pHD?
How does the Oppo process the Non 5.1 sound which I think is mostly Dolby Pro Logic
Is it better to feed a Roku3 into a HDMI in? If it is, how will the Oppo treat the non 5.1 sound?
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A few questions about the updated Netflix app on the Oppo 103


Do you get the option to Start at the Beginning or just Resume like Roku3 app?
What is the maximum bit rate? Does it go to 5800kbps 1080pHD?
How does the Oppo process the Non 5.1 sound which I think is mostly Dolby Pro Logic
Is it better to feed a Roku3 into a HDMI in? If it is, how will the Oppo treat the non 5.1 sound?
You just have Resume. Don't know about the bitrate. Oppo processes the non 5.1 sound as STEREO, whatever the source. Your AVR can get the stereo signal from the Oppo and process it as Dolby Prologic IIx if you like.

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I was talking to a co-worker who is out of state, he owns a 93.
He was telling me about ISO files and how the 93 can play ripped blu rays directly from the hard drive.

Questions: Is it a big deal that it was taken away?? (the studios asked them to is what I was told)

Do 103-105 owners wish that this feature was still on the 103

I own a 103 Thanks!!

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I was talking to a co-worker who is out of state, he owns a 93.
He was telling me about ISO files and how the 93 can play ripped blu rays directly from the hard drive.

Questions: Is it a big deal that it was taken away?? (the studios asked them to is what I was told)

Do 103-105 owners wish that this feature was still on the 103

I own a 103 Thanks!!

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I was talking to a co-worker who is out of state, he owns a 93.
He was telling me about ISO files and how the 93 can play ripped blu rays directly from the hard drive.

Questions: Is it a big deal that it was taken away??
It was a big deal at the time.

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(the studios asked them to is what I was told)
"Asked" is not exactly the correct verb.

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Do 103-105 owners wish that this feature was still on the 103
There has been no poll. Why do you ask?

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It was a big deal at the time.



"Asked" is not exactly the correct verb.



There has been no poll. Why do you ask?

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I ask because this co-worker and I got into a light weight argument about it. He is all about the convenience, quick, no work, fastest way of doing something. And for me I'd rather have the Blu Ray disc in the Oppo for the picture AND the sound. He says the ripped blu rays off the hard drive are 100% identical. And it might be. In my opinion a copied, ripped, burned anything can never be a 100% duplicate of the source. 99% ??? Probably. But that's what we were talking about and it got a tad heated. And if it's 100% accurate (pic and sound) then great.

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And if it's 100% accurate (pic and sound) then great.
A simple ISO or BDMV copy is 100% the same, missing only the copy protection and region coding. That's why the studios don't allow it. Too easy to pirate their product.

We try to keep these threads specific to each OPPO player, by the way.

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A simple ISO or BDMV copy is 100% the same, missing only the copy protection and region coding. That's why the studios don't allow it. Too easy to pirate their product.

We try to keep these threads specific to each OPPO player, by the way.

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Thank you for answering the questions. I understand about "thread specific", BY THE WAY.
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Any recommendations for wireless USB keyboards (preferably compact ones) that are compatible with the Oppo 103?
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I ask because this co-worker and I got into a light weight argument about it. He is all about the convenience, quick, no work, fastest way of doing something. And for me I'd rather have the Blu Ray disc in the Oppo for the picture AND the sound. He says the ripped blu rays off the hard drive are 100% identical. And it might be. In my opinion a copied, ripped, burned anything can never be a 100% duplicate of the source. 99% ??? Probably. But that's what we were talking about and it got a tad heated. And if it's 100% accurate (pic and sound) then great.
Why wouldnt a 1 on 1 copy be 100% the same?
Sure, if you download some rip from internet, that is most likely not an exact rip (to make it smaller in size mostly)

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Why wouldnt a 1 on 1 copy be 100% the same?
Sure, if you download some rip from internet, that is most likely not an exact rip (to make it smaller in size mostly)
If the download was an ISO, it would be the same. And of course conversions to other containers, such as MKV, can also be exact copies of both the audio and video. One place where MKV's can save space is by eliminating extras and multiple soundtracks. It's mostly a matter of knowing what you're getting.

Besides, people would never download rips of movies from the Internet to play on their Oppo's as that's illegal.
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Connection Question

So, my BDP-103 is sitting on my front porch waiting for me to come home. I bought an XBR-55X850B last night (to go with my player, not the other way around) and I'm trying to figure out the best way to take advantage of the Oppo in my system. I can make a case for several arrangements, but that probably means I don't know what I don't know. System includes The BDP-103, an AT&T U-verse DVR, a Yamaha RX-A1020 receiver and the Sony 55X850B. I'll obviously be watching lots of blu-rays and streaming lots of stuff through the built in apps (either the TV or the player, whichever would be better) and playing SACDs. How should I hook things up to best leverage the strengths of each piece of gear? The receiver DOES pass 3D and 4K video.

UVERSE -> Oppo -> Receiver (HDMI 1 out for videos and HDMI 2 out for SACDs) -> Video Direct mode out to TV

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UVERSE -> Receiver Video Direct out to -> Oppo -> TV from HDMI1 and to Receiver with HDMI2 for audio (would this be an issue with the UVERSE audio signal basically looping back into the receiver? Can ARC go from the TV BACK through the Oppo to the receiver?)

OR

Some other arrangement that makes too much sense for me to think of myself? Typing this out, it feels like perhaps I'm overthinking this and I should just go with the first setup.
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If the download was an ISO, it would be the same. And of course conversions to other containers, such as MKV, can also be exact copies of both the audio and video. One place where MKV's can save space is by eliminating extras and multiple soundtracks. It's mostly a matter of knowing what you're getting.

Besides, people would never download rips of movies from the Internet to play on their Oppo's as that's illegal.
But of course lol. With a friend we tried the ISO vs BD last night (on his system). I was able to tell 4/5 times which one was ISO and which was BD. It's a very very subtle difference. I guess that's a curse i was born with. I'm all for MKV's, makes things easier. I just have no problem putting the disc into the Oppo and pressing the open/close button.

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it feels like perhaps I'm overthinking this and I should just go with the first setup.
UVERSE -> Oppo -> Receiver (HDMI 1 out for videos and HDMI 2 out for SACDs) -> Video Direct mode out to TV

This should give you everything you want and need, and also allow your AVR to be used for any other "switching" purpose for other sources that might also feed your TV and sound system.

Use the Oppo for Netflix streaming, as its Netflix app is the latest variety and fully supports 1080p SuperHD.

I don't think the uVerse DVR supports "native" output (i.e. leaving 720p and 1080i untouched when feeding the Oppo via HDMI) as a setup option, but that's what you really want for best image on your HDTV at the other end. You want to feed 720p programs as 720p to the Oppo, and 1080i programs as 1080i to the Oppo. "Native" on the source device is obviously the most convenient way to get that done automatically. But if unavailable, you'll either have to (1) manually change its output format depending on the source program channel you're watching (if you want "best" image on your HDTV), or (2) just be willing to upconvert 720p to 1080i in the DVR setup and let everything come out as 1080i into the Oppo, including the 720p->faux 1080i, or (3) set the DVR to upconvert everything to 1080p and feed the Oppo with 1080p. Trying all three options will let you decide if you want to compromise HDTV image quality using options (2) or (3) for user convenience only, knowing that (1) or "native" will give you "best image out of the Oppo to the HDTV".
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UVERSE -> Oppo -> Receiver (HDMI 1 out for videos and HDMI 2 out for SACDs) -> Video Direct mode out to TV

This should give you everything you want and need, and also allow your AVR to be used for any other "switching" purpose for other sources that might also feed your TV and sound system.

Use the Oppo for Netflix streaming, as its Netflix app is the latest variety and fully supports 1080p SuperHD.

I don't think the uVerse DVR supports "native" output (i.e. leaving 720p and 1080i untouched when feeding the Oppo via HDMI) as a setup option, but that's what you really want for best image on your HDTV at the other end. You want to feed 720p programs as 720p to the Oppo, and 1080i programs as 1080i to the Oppo. "Native" on the source device is obviously the most convenient way to get that done automatically. But if unavailable, you'll either have to (1) manually change its output format depending on the source program channel you're watching (if you want "best" image on your HDTV), or (2) just be willing to upconvert 720p to 1080i in the DVR setup and let everything come out as 1080i into the Oppo, including the 720p->faux 1080i, or (3) set the DVR to upconvert everything to 1080p and feed the Oppo with 1080p. Trying all three options will let you decide if you want to compromise HDTV image quality using options (2) or (3) for user convenience only, knowing that (1) or "native" will give you "best image out of the Oppo to the HDTV".
FWIW, the number 3 option is not possible since Uverse boxes do not offer 1080p upconversion.
They only offer a 24/7 1080i OR 720p output. As a cable subscriber it's very disappointing since I think they could implement a
"native / source direct" option through a software upgrade, but they just don't care.
On top of that, you have to go deep into the STB's menus and jump through all kinds of hoops just to change the resolution output.
I just leave mine on 1080i since most channels are native 1080i anyway, and the STB's conversion is actually pretty good.

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Had an odd thing happen tonight for the first time on my 103d. Couldn't find similar reports via a quick search.

After navigating to an .mkv via the network menu (or selecting it via the media control app) the next mkv in the folder would play instead. I verified the file I intended to play is intact - it plays fine via VLC on my computer and via a WDTV Live hub.

Does the oppo skip to the next file if it encounters some kind of playback error with the file you selected? I couldn't think of anything else that would explain it and i could not duplicate it with another file.
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Had an odd thing happen tonight for the first time on my 103d. Couldn't find similar reports via a quick search.

After navigating to an .mkv via the network menu (or selecting it via the media control app) the next mkv in the folder would play instead. I verified the file I intended to play is intact - it plays fine via VLC on my computer and via a WDTV Live hub.

Does the oppo skip to the next file if it encounters some kind of playback error with the file you selected? I couldn't think of anything else that would explain it and i could not duplicate it with another file.
Yes it will skip until it finds a file it can play.

Is there something different about that file in terms of it's codec contents or resolution?

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Thrilled, but curious.

Got the TV and the player all set up last night and I LOVE it. It's incredible. Spent a good portion of the evening tweaking and adjusting settings and obsessing over the minutiae. Had the "Wouldn't the TV manufacturer just give it the best settings? But it looked so great in the store..." discussion with the wife as we watched a blu-ray, and now I'm enjoying my collection of SACDs I haven't been able to listen to in years.

One question though: I have a 4K Sony X850B, and I set the Output Resolution to "Auto" and the 4Kx2K output to "Auto." Then as I was watching my UVERSE box through the Oppo, I noticed on the TV display that the incoming resolution was 1080p. If my TV is 4K, why would that be? Is there a reason the Oppo would opt for a lower output resolution than the display's native res or should I go into the Oppo settings and force 4K all the time. Should I make "trust the Oppo" my mantra?
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Got the TV and the player all set up last night and I LOVE it. It's incredible. Spent a good portion of the evening tweaking and adjusting settings and obsessing over the minutiae. Had the "Wouldn't the TV manufacturer just give it the best settings? But it looked so great in the store..." discussion with the wife as we watched a blu-ray, and now I'm enjoying my collection of SACDs I haven't been able to listen to in years.

One question though: I have a 4K Sony X850B, and I set the Output Resolution to "Auto" and the 4Kx2K output to "Auto." Then as I was watching my UVERSE box through the Oppo, I noticed on the TV display that the incoming resolution was 1080p. If my TV is 4K, why would that be? Is there a reason the Oppo would opt for a lower output resolution than the display's native res or should I go into the Oppo settings and force 4K all the time. Should I make "trust the Oppo" my mantra?
The player asks the TV what resolution it prefers and it responded "1080p". Why it would do that is a mystery. Not much 4k source is available yet so maybe Sony just doesn't have it in the firmware yet.

A general rule is "don't use AUTO, use an explicit setting for everything". If you're obsessing then you'll want to know the right values anyway.

The FAQ has tips: What are the recommended settings for the OPPO BDP-103?

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Is there something different about that file in terms of it's codec contents or resolution?

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Thanks for fast reply.

Nothing obviously different about this file. Plays fine on computer, via plex and vlc. Since 99.9% of everything else has been fine over the past year on the oppo, I'm going to write it off as an anomaly of this title or an error in the encode that the oppo can't overcome. First time ever happening to me, caught me by surprise. If it happens again, I'll try updating the firmware on the oppo.
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Thanks for fast reply.

Nothing obviously different about this file. Plays fine on computer, via plex and vlc. Since 99.9% of everything else has been fine over the past year on the oppo, I'm going to write it off as an anomaly of this title or an error in the encode that the oppo can't overcome. First time ever happening to me, caught me by surprise. If it happens again, I'll try updating the firmware on the oppo.
You might look at what "mediainfo" sees for that file and compare it to the results for a known good file.

I'd also try creating a new copy with mkvmerge.

Then I'd give up.

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UVERSE -> Oppo -> Receiver (HDMI 1 out for videos and HDMI 2 out for SACDs) -> Video Direct mode out to TV

OR

UVERSE -> Receiver Video Direct out to -> Oppo -> TV from HDMI1 and to Receiver with HDMI2 for audio (would this be an issue with the UVERSE audio signal basically looping back into the receiver? Can ARC go from the TV BACK through the Oppo to the receiver?)

OR

Some other arrangement that makes too much sense for me to think of myself? Typing this out, it feels like perhaps I'm overthinking this and I should just go with the first setup.

My personal setup is the Oppo -> Receiver -> HDMI 1 on the Sony XBR


My cable (instead of your UVERSE) goes directly to the TV via HDMI 3. It's audio goes to my surround system through ARC (HDMI 1 only) to the receiver, as well as audio from Netflix and other apps from the TV.

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Use the Oppo for Netflix streaming, as its Netflix app is the latest variety and fully supports 1080p SuperHD.

AFAIK it doesn't support HVEC or Netflix 4K, which his new XBR TV does. I no longer use the Netflix app on my other devices.

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More time with the player, more questions apparently. I'm getting some fairly significant Audio Sync issues with the player when I play Blu-Rays. About +120ms of correction required to get it to where I think it's matched up correctly. What's the best way to start figuring out what the problem is? It's pretty much fixed using the correction on the player, but I'd rather not have to do that. All my components are HDMI 1.4 or better, so I (In my infinite ignorance) thought it would automatically sync. My setup is below:

BDP-103 HDMI1@4Kx2K -> Yamaha RX-A1020 (Video Direct) -> Sony XBR-55X850B

The adjustment seems to vary some from disc to disc, and I REALLY don't want to have to test each disc and tweak it as I go.
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More time with the player, more questions apparently. I'm getting some fairly significant Audio Sync issues with the player when I play Blu-Rays. About +120ms of correction required to get it to where I think it's matched up correctly. What's the best way to start figuring out what the problem is? It's pretty much fixed using the correction on the player, but I'd rather not have to do that. All my components are HDMI 1.4 or better, so I (In my infinite ignorance) thought it would automatically sync. My setup is below:

BDP-103 HDMI1@4Kx2K -> Yamaha RX-A1020 (Video Direct) -> Sony XBR-55X850B

The adjustment seems to vary some from disc to disc, and I REALLY don't want to have to test each disc and tweak it as I go.
Most likely this is due to video lag in the display. Is the audio ahead of the video? If so, there's your answer. There are a variety of image processing gizmos in displays that involve buffering frames, which cause lag. Usually related to 24p signals.

Set the player to output 60Hz and see if that cures the issue. Then at least you know what's causing it.
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