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gsr's Avatar gsr 06:32 PM 09-01-2014
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Ok, so as I thought, SMB requires an external hard drive, and I continue to need DLNA to serve audio files from my PC.
No, not at all. You can use the built in Windows sharing functionality to share any drive / folder on any drive on your PC (whether it's an internal or external drive doesn't matter) to get the SMB shares you're looking for. In Windows Explorer:

1) Right click on the folder you want to share and select Properties.
2) Go to the Sharing tab and click either the Share... or Advanced Sharing... button to configure the share name and who can access the share.
3) Once done with the Sharing features, go back to Properties and go to the Security tab.
4) In the Security tab, make sure the username you're going to use to connect to the share is given at least "List folder contents" and "Read" access to the folder. Note that there's a special user called "Everyone" that you can give access to, which won't require you to provide a username and password when connecting via the Oppo player.

If you did everything correctly, you should now have a SMB share you can access from the Oppo.

Keep in mind that it can sometimes be a PITA to get the shares configured properly so you can actually access them, but you don't need to purchase any additional hardware or software to use SMB shares in Windows.

Also keep in mind that using SMB shares doesn't necessarily give you anything you can't do with DLNA, which tends to be a LOT easier to get working. But since you're running into issues with some files not showing up, it's probably worth a try.

wmcclain's Avatar wmcclain 06:36 PM 09-01-2014
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Sorry if this has all ready been asked. is there any way to turn off the speaker setup settings on the oppo? My Yamaha receiver has better settings
How are you connected to the receiver? The speaker setups is not relevant for HDMI or other digital connections, only analog.

-Bill
broseanrichard's Avatar broseanrichard 06:41 PM 09-01-2014
So the speaker settings are only for analog hook up and don't effect HDMI hook up? Also what about the crossover settings etc from the audio processing menu do a need to match them to my receivers settings or are they for analog as well?
gsr's Avatar gsr 06:46 PM 09-01-2014
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So the speaker settings are only for analog hook up and don't effect HDMI hook up? Also what about the crossover settings etc from the audio processing menu do a need to match them to my receivers settings or are they for analog as well?
All of the speaker setup options, including crossover settings are only for the analog outputs. If you're using HDMI, you don't need to worry about any of those settings on the Oppo.
broseanrichard's Avatar broseanrichard 06:48 PM 09-01-2014
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All of the speaker setup options, including crossover settings are only for the analog outputs. If you're using HDMI, you don't need to worry about any of those settings on the Oppo.
Ok thanks
bgoering's Avatar bgoering 07:13 PM 09-01-2014
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I really appreciated you guys for helping me. I contacted Oppo Customer Service and they're going to provide me a shipping label to get it check up.
Might be a crazy idea - but have you checked for a stuck playback/navigation button on the front panel of the unit itself?
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 07:26 PM 09-01-2014
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
105D as the main player at present, others used for Beta testing and comparisons.
--Bob
Thx Bob. May I ask you why the 105D over the 103D? ...TY
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 07:41 PM 09-01-2014
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Sorry if this has all ready been asked. is there any way to turn off the speaker setup settings on the oppo? My Yamaha receiver has better settings
Those settings in the OPPO apply only to its Analog audio outputs. If you are using HDMI audio you can ignore those settings in the OPPO, as they will have no effect.

If using the Analog audio outputs, set all speakers to LARGE (Subwoofer ON), equidistant (any distance will do so long as they are all the same), and with 0dB Volume trim. Set DTS Neo:6 Mode to OFF. Set Speaker Configuration Down-Mix to 5.1 or 7.1 according to how many channels the Yamaha will accept.

That will bypass any processing on the Analog outputs (except down-mix to 5.1 if that's the max the Yamaha can accept).

The Subwoofer channel in this configuration will need +10dB boost external to the player, which your Yamaha will likely provide by default. Confirm levels using a calibration disc, such as the LPCM test tracks on AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray.
--Bob
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 07:46 PM 09-01-2014
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105D as the main player at present, others used for Beta testing and comparisons.
--Bob
Thx Bob. May I ask you why the 105D over the 103D? ...TY
I'm a Beta Tester. The combo of a 105D and a 103 allows me to test more stuff.

Otherwise I'd use just a 103D with my Anthem Statement D2v.
--Bob
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 07:58 PM 09-01-2014
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I'm a Beta Tester. The combo of a 105D and a 103 allows me to test more stuff.

Otherwise I'd use just a 103D with my Anthem Statement D2v.
--Bob
That, that was my direct question to you; as the player you are using in your own space @ home on a regular basis.

Now I got my answer; you are using the HDMI connections.

Here's another question for you Bob: Strictly for music listening, stereo and/or multichannel, which player are you using on a regular basis, still the Oppo 103D, or another(s)? ...And are you into multichannel, and/or stereo analog connections from any sources of yours and between it/them and your Anthem Statement D2v surround sound processor and video processor?
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 08:17 PM 09-01-2014
^ I test as many different combos as I can in the course of my normal listening and viewing. Including Analog. That's the whole point. And to correct you, my primary player in my current configuration is the 105D as I said above, not a 103D. Again, this is an artifact of the Beta Testing.
--Bob
bikinpunk's Avatar bikinpunk 08:40 PM 09-01-2014
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Yea, that's been my luck. I can't find the specs anywhere. My *guess* is it's something closer to 1vRMS, but that's unsubstantiated. If I remember tonight, I'll measure the pre-out and post back what they are.
I tested the outputs earlier. With the outputs' trim set to 0dB, I got 1.97vRMS from the main front analog pre-outs (didn't test all outputs; just the front left/right) using a 0dBfs, 1khz sine wave. The volume ran all the way up to 100/100 and there was no clipping indicator on the device I use for clipping detection. That said, at 95/100 you're already down to about 1.60v. I haven't taken the time to plot the voltage output to see if it's logarithmic, but I'd assume it is. But when you consider how far up in volume you have to go to reach full output, it's pretty obvious that you won't have a lot of 'gain' (if you will) at the Oppo.

I played around with the entire gain structure of my setup earlier and ultimately I'm looking at having to order a legitimate pre-amp. If not for the volume/floor noise, for the popping between sources I get. All of which was pretty much warned of by Oppo themselves. I read earlier on another site the Emo UMC-200 measured 4vRMS on it's pre-outs, unclipped, at full tilt. So, I may go that way. YMMV, of course, but I still wanted to share the quick results.
rdgrimes's Avatar rdgrimes 08:55 PM 09-01-2014
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Ok, so as I thought, SMB requires an external hard drive, and I continue to need DLNA to serve audio files from my PC.
Absolutely not. You can share any file on your PC, and on any drive connected to your PC. The Oppo treats network shares the same as an attached drive, so all supported files are available, including DSD.

Setting up network shares in Windows is well beyond the scope of this thread, and its sometimes fraught with aggravations. But it does work, and once sorted out is easy to use. Windows help files are generally not helpful so you'll need to find info elsewhere, but there is some information available in Windows help about where to look for the settings. Just don't confuse Windows Media Player sharing with file sharing.
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 09:43 PM 09-01-2014
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I test as many different combos as I can in the course of my normal listening and viewing. Including Analog. That's the whole point. And to correct you, my primary player in my current configuration is the 105D as I said above, not a 103D. Again, this is an artifact of the Beta Testing.
--Bob
Ok, you confused me a little for a short time here.

Because even if you test all the Oppo players, my question was simply which one you use yourself when you are not testing and enjoying life outside of testing. ...Oppo 105D; thank you Bob.
Yes, I know...
NorthSky's Avatar NorthSky 09:52 PM 09-01-2014
Question: On my USB stick I got a tune recorded with AAC stereo PCM 48kHz.
When I play it with my Oppo 103, and that I set my pre/pro to multichannel with Dolby Pro Locic IIz (or IIx) audio mode I only have the sound from my center channel and that's all. ...How come? ...Using the HDMI connection (HDMI2).

But I got other tunes too recorded with the same audio codec and the sound comes from all channels, just as it should.
DanF8500's Avatar DanF8500 11:15 PM 09-01-2014
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I tested the outputs earlier. With the outputs' trim set to 0dB, I got 1.97vRMS from the main front analog pre-outs (didn't test all outputs; just the front left/right) using a 0dBfs, 1khz sine wave. The volume ran all the way up to 100/100 and there was no clipping indicator on the device I use for clipping detection. That said, at 95/100 you're already down to about 1.60v. I haven't taken the time to plot the voltage output to see if it's logarithmic, but I'd assume it is. But when you consider how far up in volume you have to go to reach full output, it's pretty obvious that you won't have a lot of 'gain' (if you will) at the Oppo.

I played around with the entire gain structure of my setup earlier and ultimately I'm looking at having to order a legitimate pre-amp. If not for the volume/floor noise, for the popping between sources I get. All of which was pretty much warned of by Oppo themselves. I read earlier on another site the Emo UMC-200 measured 4vRMS on it's pre-outs, unclipped, at full tilt. So, I may go that way. YMMV, of course, but I still wanted to share the quick results.

Thanks for doing that voltage test on the rca outputs. It's darn close with the 105's rca voltage spec. With regards to your comment about "not having a lot of gain" on the Oppo, doesn't that depend on what the input sensitivity of the component (on its rca inputs) you're connecting to the Oppo? For instance, if you have an AVR or a power amp that you're directly connecting to the Oppo, and those components have an rca input sensitivity on the order of 500mV, then the Oppo has all the gain you would ever require (and then some) to effectively drive your downstream component to its fullest potential. I would surmise that the Oppo player would be able to drive most components easily with room to spare. Being on this and the 105 forum for over a year now, I have witnessed more owners who were using the Oppo players as preamps, and who couldn't raise the Oppo volume past 40-60 before clipping took place in their downstream component (power amp, AVR, etc) or before their ears started to hurt from the sound pressure. I've even seen some reports of even lower Oppo volumes than that for normal home listening. I haven't heard any reports of the Oppo *not* being able to drive a component, such as a power amp to its fullest wattage output.
DanF8500's Avatar DanF8500 11:29 PM 09-01-2014
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Keep in mind that the Analog output Volume adjustment step size is different for the 103/103D vs. the 105/105D. Also the XLR jacks of the 105/105D are, by design +6dB hotter.
--Bob
Bob, what is the "step size" of the 103's volume adjustment? I know the 105/105D's is .5 db per step.
SeeMoreDigital's Avatar SeeMoreDigital 02:05 AM 09-02-2014
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I got a tune recorded with ACC stereo PCM 48kHz.
What format is this?
uriah's Avatar uriah 02:41 AM 09-02-2014
I have been considering purchasing an Oppo 103d but the line is 2 years old and I am hesitant due to the age of the line. does anyone have any idea when replacement line for the103 is due?
pbarach's Avatar pbarach 04:21 AM 09-02-2014
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Originally Posted by NorthSky View Post
Question: On my USB stick I got a tune recorded with ACC stereo PCM 48kHz.
When I play it with my Oppo 103, and that I set my pre/pro to multichannel with Dolby Pro Locic IIz (or IIx) audio mode I only have the sound from my center channel and that's all. ...How come? ...Using the HDMI connection (HDMI2).

But I got other tunes too recorded with the same audio codec and the sound comes from all channels, just as it should.
Unless the song is actually in mono, this is probably an artifact of the Dolby decoding. Just switch your pre/pro to stereo.
wmcclain's Avatar wmcclain 05:35 AM 09-02-2014
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I have been considering purchasing an Oppo 103d but the line is 2 years old and I am hesitant due to the age of the line. does anyone have any idea when replacement line for the103 is due?
The 103 is almost 2 years old, the 103d coming up on 1 year.

No one knows and OPPO doesn't usually give detailed future plans, but we've guessed (and didn't Customer Support confirm?) that it is going to be a while before a new player appears.

New standards are forthcoming: 4k Blu-ray discs, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2. It's a bad time to be an early adopter of this stuff because not everything is going to be ready at once. And it's ugly when vendors push out partially-compliant products just to have something new on the shelves.

HDMI 2.0 is going to be a consumer nightmare. A lot of its features are optional, so read all the gear specs very carefully.

So, when? My totally speculative guess, without inside knowledge: late in 2015. That's when 4k Blu-ray may appear. The BDA says sooner, but they're on happy pills.

Note: we're having a lot of 103d discussion here; the proper thread is Official OPPO BDP-103D (Darbee Edition) Owner's Thread.

-Bill
gsr's Avatar gsr 05:43 AM 09-02-2014
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Originally Posted by NorthSky View Post
Ok, you confused me a little for a short time here.

Because even if you test all the Oppo players, my question was simply which one you use yourself when you are not testing and enjoying life outside of testing. ...Oppo 105D; thank you Bob.
Yes, I know...
I think you may still be a bit confused... Beta testers don't necessarily get one of every model that Oppo has available for sale. So if you ask one of us what player we actually use for "every day" use versus which player we would purchase with our own money for "every day" use, you might get a different answer (and you did, in fact) because most of us don't have all 4 current models (103, 103D, 105, and 105D) in our possession. Since he normally uses the HDMI connection to his Anthem pre-pro, there would be no need for him to spend the extra money on a 105D as the 103D would suit his needs just fine. But for beta testing purposes, the 105D has more stuff (extra inputs, extra analog outputs) that can be tested.
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 11:02 AM 09-02-2014
Wait. Viewing without testing. Is that allowed? Gosh!
--Bob
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 11:24 AM 09-02-2014
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Bob, what is the "step size" of the 103's volume adjustment? I know the 105/105D's is .5 db per step.
I'll have to retract my earlier statement. I had forgotten that OPPO was able to refine this for the 103 player as well.

The Analog output Volume step size for ALL the 10x family of players is the same in current firmware: 0.5dB per Volume step, where Volume 100 (or Volume FIXED) represents full output and anything less than that is attenuated from full output. Volume 0 is a special case -- implemented as "Mute" -- including Muting the digital audio outputs.

Note that when using DSD-Direct-to-Analog Conversion, the 103 and 103D lose the ability to control Analog output Volume (along with all the other audio processing). You get Volume 100 regardless of how it is set. (But MUTE still functions.) The 105 and 105D *DO* have the ability to control Analog output Volume even when DSD is sent directly to the DACs.
--Bob
Daffietje's Avatar Daffietje 01:51 PM 09-02-2014
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Those settings in the OPPO apply only to its Analog audio outputs. If you are using HDMI audio you can ignore those settings in the OPPO, as they will have no effect.

If using the Analog audio outputs, set all speakers to LARGE (Subwoofer ON), equidistant (any distance will do so long as they are all the same), and with 0dB Volume trim. Set DTS Neo:6 Mode to OFF. Set Speaker Configuration Down-Mix to 5.1 or 7.1 according to how many channels the Yamaha will accept.

That will bypass any processing on the Analog outputs (except down-mix to 5.1 if that's the max the Yamaha can accept).

The Subwoofer channel in this configuration will need +10dB boost external to the player, which your Yamaha will likely provide by default. Confirm levels using a calibration disc, such as the LPCM test tracks on AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray.
--Bob
Can you explain why the subwoofer channel would need +10dB boost?
So if using analog audio outputs, the subwoofer volume is always 10dB lower compared to the subwoofer volume over HDMI ?
Daffietje's Avatar Daffietje 01:57 PM 09-02-2014
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^ Adding Noise Reduction is your best bet. Understand that Noise Reduction can't "fix" the damage -- the information has already been lost, permanently. But it can make the visible effects of that less annoying.

Also check that you are sending out 1080p from the player.
--Bob
Putting noise reduction to max. did make the image visibly more pleasing
Great stuff this Oppo
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 02:21 PM 09-02-2014
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Can you explain why the subwoofer channel would need +10dB boost?
So if using analog audio outputs, the subwoofer volume is always 10dB lower compared to the subwoofer volume over HDMI ?
Nope, it's down 10dB on HDMI as well.

The Subwoofer output is intended to handle LFE content. LFE exists as a place to record LOUD bass. To do that without clipping, it is recorded 10dB down. That means it has to be boosted +10dB external to the player to match the other speaker channels.

With HDMI audio that is handled as a standard function by your HDMI-capable AVR.

With Analog audio, there is also the possibility of "bass steering" from the other speaker channels into the subwoofer channel due to the action of the crossover. That requires additional attenuation of the Subwoofer output to preclude clipping.

So if a Crossover is active, the Subwoofer RCA Analog output needs +15dB boost to match the other RCA Analog outputs. With no Crossover active, it need +10dB boost. If passing the Analog Subwoofer signal through an AVR, odds are it will provide +10dB boost by default. But in any event you can accomplish the needed boost by adjusting the Volume knob on the subwoofer.

You can ignore all these details if you take the simple step of just checking levels with a calibration disc and an SPL meter -- adjusting the Volume knob on the Sub as needed. When the Sub SPL measures the same as the main speaker SPLs (for any given Volume), then you are good to go.
--Bob
Alex Cross's Avatar Alex Cross 02:43 PM 09-02-2014
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Nope, it's down 10dB on HDMI as well.

The Subwoofer output is intended to handle LFE content. LFE exists as a place to record LOUD bass. To do that without clipping, it is recorded 10dB down. That means it has to be boosted +10dB external to the player to match the other speaker channels.

With HDMI audio that is handled as a standard function by your HDMI-capable AVR.

With Analog audio, there is also the possibility of "bass steering" from the other speaker channels into the subwoofer channel due to the action of the crossover. That requires additional attenuation of the Subwoofer output to preclude clipping.

So if a Crossover is active, the Subwoofer RCA Analog output needs +15dB boost to match the other RCA Analog outputs. With no Crossover active, it need +10dB boost. If passing the Analog Subwoofer signal through an AVR, odds are it will provide +10dB boost by default. But in any event you can accomplish the needed boost by adjusting the Volume knob on the subwoofer.
Bob I have the 103. I have some Issues with my audio and I plan to use the 7.1 analog outputs to connect to my pre/pro. Can you please give me suggestions on how to calibrate the system as I won't be able to with the pre/pro. I'm going to purchase a calibration disc from oppo and I have a SPL mete, but from there I don't Know what to do. Thanks
You can ignore all these details if you take the simple step of just checking levels with a calibration disc and an SPL meter -- adjusting the Volume knob on the Sub as needed. When the Sub SPL measures the same as the main speaker SPLs (for any given Volume), then you are good to go.
--Bob
I somehow put my question into the quote. what I am asking is the procedure to calibrate My system when connected via the 7.1 analog outputs from the 103 to a pre/pro
Daffietje's Avatar Daffietje 02:45 PM 09-02-2014
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Nope, it's down 10dB on HDMI as well.

The Subwoofer output is intended to handle LFE content. LFE exists as a place to record LOUD bass. To do that without clipping, it is recorded 10dB down. That means it has to be boosted +10dB external to the player to match the other speaker channels.

With HDMI audio that is handled as a standard function by your HDMI-capable AVR.

With Analog audio, there is also the possibility of "bass steering" from the other speaker channels into the subwoofer channel due to the action of the crossover. That requires additional attenuation of the Subwoofer output to preclude clipping.

So if a Crossover is active, the Subwoofer RCA Analog output needs +15dB boost to match the other RCA Analog outputs. With no Crossover active, it need +10dB boost. If passing the Analog Subwoofer signal through an AVR, odds are it will provide +10dB boost by default. But in any event you can accomplish the needed boost by adjusting the Volume knob on the subwoofer.

You can ignore all these details if you take the simple step of just checking levels with a calibration disc and an SPL meter -- adjusting the Volume knob on the Sub as needed. When the Sub SPL measures the same as the main speaker SPLs (for any given Volume), then you are good to go.
--Bob
Interesting stuff this, Thanks for explaining.

I have the Oppo HDMI Audio set to LPCM and I have the analog settings (small speakers, crossover freq, speaker levels and distances) correctly set in the Oppo for the use of Audio CD only.
For movies I just use HDMI.
So in this setup there is a possible difference in subwoofer level (analog vs. HDMI) of 5dB ? (+15dB boost on Analog compared to +10dB boost on HDMI)
I always felt there was a difference in subwoofer volume level between analog and HDMI (spl measurement confirmed this by the way), now I know why...
Bob Pariseau's Avatar Bob Pariseau 02:56 PM 09-02-2014
^ Yes. Test both ways with a calibration disc to confirm. If your AVR has no level trims (or separate trims) for Analog audio pass through, a simple solution is to set the volume knob on the Sub according to what's needed for the Analog path. Then, for the HDMI path, use the Sub level trim in the AVR to compensate for any needed difference.
--Bob
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