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In 1dB steps.







"Sir Bob" mentioned earlier it was .5 dB per step....it's the same for all 10x Oppo players.

Edit: I see you just found that out before my post...
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"Sir Bob" mentioned earlier it was .5 dB per step....it's the same for all 10x Oppo players.

Edit: I see you just found that out before my post...
I thought it was different for the 103 and 105. 105 is digital, 0.5db per step. 103 is analog?

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Nope, it's down 10dB on HDMI as well.

The Subwoofer output is intended to handle LFE content. LFE exists as a place to record LOUD bass. To do that without clipping, it is recorded 10dB down. That means it has to be boosted +10dB external to the player to match the other speaker channels.

With HDMI audio that is handled as a standard function by your HDMI-capable AVR.

With Analog audio, there is also the possibility of "bass steering" from the other speaker channels into the subwoofer channel due to the action of the crossover. That requires additional attenuation of the Subwoofer output to preclude clipping.

So if a Crossover is active, the Subwoofer RCA Analog output needs +15dB boost to match the other RCA Analog outputs. With no Crossover active, it need +10dB boost. If passing the Analog Subwoofer signal through an AVR, odds are it will provide +10dB boost by default. But in any event you can accomplish the needed boost by adjusting the Volume knob on the subwoofer.

You can ignore all these details if you take the simple step of just checking levels with a calibration disc and an SPL meter -- adjusting the Volume knob on the Sub as needed. When the Sub SPL measures the same as the main speaker SPLs (for any given Volume), then you are good to go.
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I think that my pre/pro takes automatically care of that; from the HDMI audio convoy.

But! From the multichannel analog connections, I have to make manual adjustments.

And! No way, no way ever that I am going to touch the Gains on my subwoofers themselves.
Everything has to be done from the pre/pro, and the Oppo.
It took me forever to have my two subs properly balanced with each other and with my room,
from their Gain controls. I would not fool around with them again.
Besides, the sound is better from the HDMI connections (with Audyssey engaged), than from the multichannel analog connections (without Audyssey REQ).
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^ Yes. Test both ways with a calibration disc to confirm. If your AVR has no level trims (or separate trims) for Analog audio pass through, a simple solution is to set the volume knob on the Sub according to what's needed for the Analog path. Then, for the HDMI path, use the Sub level trim in the AVR to compensate for any needed difference.
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Every pre/pro (and AV receiver) with multichannel analog input, should give us access to channel level trims, at the very least, plus a LFE/subwoofer gain control (special boost from 0 to 20dB in 0.5dB steps).

99.5% don't offer any of that, and in my honest opinion (wise), it is a major oversight. ...How could they?
...Probably to save money from adding a simple and inexpensive ADC chip. ...?

What you think Bob, your Anthem pre/pro has that?
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"Sir Bob" mentioned earlier it was .5 dB per step....it's the same for all 10x Oppo players.

Edit: I see you just found that out before my post...
Yes, and I also updated (corrected) my prior post after I discovered the good news from "Sir Bob".
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I thought it was different for the 103 and 105. 105 is digital, 0.5db per step. 103 is analog?
All analog, both of them; the 105 and the 103.
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All analog, both of them; the 105 and the 103.
The volume controls? They're digital volume controls, not analog.
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The volume controls? They're digital volume controls, not analog.
They are not for the analog outputs?
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They are not for the analog outputs?
Of course they're for the analog outputs, but they operate within the DAC in the digital domain before the signal is converted to analog.
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Of course they're for the analog outputs, but they operate within the DAC in the digital domain before the signal is converted to analog.
Of course; 0.5dB steps are digital.
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I still get occasional Oppo glitches that I get occasionally when playing music files over my home network (the player locks up, will not respond to any remote or front panel keys other that PWR--once powered down and restarted, things generally will work without a hitch for the rest of the day, except once in a while I have to do a second powercycle immediately after the first one). But this can't be due to SMB, since the same thing happens with oShare and another DLNA server I have (Asset uPnP).
Try turning off the Gracenote look-up feature and see if that cures the issue.
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Every pre/pro (and AV receiver) with multichannel analog input, should give us access to channel level trims, at the very least, plus a LFE/subwoofer gain control (special boost from 0 to 20dB in 0.5dB steps)
Yes, my AV receiver has that.
But I decided to put everything to 0 at the receiver analog settings, and enter it correctly on the Oppo

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^ Yes. Test both ways with a calibration disc to confirm. If your AVR has no level trims (or separate trims) for Analog audio pass through, a simple solution is to set the volume knob on the Sub according to what's needed for the Analog path. Then, for the HDMI path, use the Sub level trim in the AVR to compensate for any needed difference.
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What calibration disc would you recommend for this? I don't want to get more than one if possible.
I don't have any yet (besides the free AVSHD patterns, which were quite helpful so far, also during video calibration of my TV).

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^ I recommend using the LPCM test tracks on AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, available from OPPO or direct from AIX.

To double-check the special case of DSD playback, use tracks 43-48 from Stay in Tune with PentaTone, SACD, available from Amazon.

Neither of these is for video calibration. Just audio.
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^ I recommend using the LPCM test tracks on AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray, available from OPPO or direct from AIX.

To double-check the special case of DSD playback, use tracks 43-48 from Stay in Tune with PentaTone, SACD, available from Amazon.

Neither of these is for video calibration. Just audio.
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This AIX Audio Calibration also has special LPCM test tracks to measure the volume of a subwoofer? Pink noise from a subwoofer is always difficult to measure with SPL meter.
I am doing it now with low frequency sweeps that I got somewhere from the internet burned on a dvd-r.
For audio calibration, Spears & Munsil II is not that good?

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I thought it was different for the 103 and 105. 105 is digital, 0.5db per step. 103 is analog?
They're both digital.

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With regards to your comment about "not having a lot of gain" on the Oppo, doesn't that depend on what the input sensitivity of the component (on its rca inputs) you're connecting to the Oppo?
I didn't mean gain in regards to sensitivity matching capability. I meant it more in regards to the incremental steps. The big drop in voltage from full output (100) to (95) seems a bit drastic; thus my comment regarding if it's logarithmic or not... I'd have to incrementally step through the volume and plot the voltage output to know this. Sorry for the confusion.
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I didn't mean gain in regards to sensitivity matching capability. I meant it more in regards to the incremental steps. The big drop in voltage from full output (100) to (95) seems a bit drastic; thus my comment regarding if it's logarithmic or not... I'd have to incrementally step through the volume and plot the voltage output to know this. Sorry for the confusion.

It's pretty much standard. Each volume step (increment/decrement) of the Oppo 10x players represents .5 dB change. It's standard logarithmic (dB's are related to voltage logarithmically)....every 6 db represents a halving (or doubling) of the voltage......So, on the Oppo 10x players, every 12 clicks/steps of volume will be half or double the voltage output.

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This AIX Audio Calibration also has special LPCM test tracks to measure the volume of a subwoofer? Pink noise from a subwoofer is always difficult to measure with SPL meter.
I am doing it now with low frequency sweeps that I got somewhere from the internet burned on a dvd-r.
For audio calibration, Spears & Munsil II is not that good?
One note about the AIX disc - volume level matching between speakers is supposed to be done with band-limited pink noise (500 Hz to 2 kHz), and I've found the AIX disc does NOT have band-limited signals on it. When I play the volume level matching patterns from the AIX disc, the subwoofer engages, so it is obviously going down below 500 Hz. This doesn't happen with the Spears & Munsil II disc, which does have correct band-limited pink noise for the normal and LFE channels.

This only applies to the speaker level matching patterns.
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One note about the AIX disc - volume level matching between speakers is supposed to be done with band-limited pink noise (500 Hz to 2 kHz), and I've found the AIX disc does NOT have band-limited signals on it. When I play the volume level matching patterns from the AIX disc, the subwoofer engages, so it is obviously going down below 500 Hz. This doesn't happen with the Spears & Munsil II disc, which does have correct band-limited pink noise for the normal and LFE channels.

This only applies to the speaker level matching patterns.
Hmmm, thanks for the warning.
So I guess the AIX disc is not that good for audio calibration since it does not have a decent pink noise...

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Hmmm, thanks for the warning.
So I guess the AIX disc is not that good for audio calibration since it does not have a decent pink noise...
It's not the best choice for level matching. It can be used, but you'd need to do things like make sure your crossovers are all set and still operational, yet still disable the sub completely so that it doesn't contribute to the volume measured.

Also, most common SPL meters (and especially the cheap ones) are most accurate in that 500 - 2k range, and can lose their accuracy in the lower frequencies, so a band-limited pink noise is best for level matching.

Personally, I just use the receiver's Audyssey setup to do the level matching for me, but I'm all digital and that doesn't work with the Oppo's analog outs.
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^If I use the band-limited pink noise from my receiver to volume match the subwoofer it is difficult to measure correctly since the SPL meter jumps around quite a lot. It does not do this for the other channels.
So I was hoping this AIX disc has some useful test tones for subwoofers where the SPL is more steady... But it seems it has not?

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I got my 103 today. I find that the audio just doesn't have that oomph.
Watched the dark knight rises on the weekend via the xbone and then watched it again on the 103 and the oppo just misses that certain extra oomph in the sound.
Am I the only one experiencing this?
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^ How are you set up to play audio, and are you sure you were playing the lossless track from that disc?

In the OPPO, check that you have Dynamic Range Control OFF and Secondary Audio OFF.

Check your speaker levels -- particularly your Subwoofer level -- using a calibration disc.
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Yes, my AV receiver has that.
But I decided to put everything to 0 at the receiver analog settings, and enter it correctly on the Oppo
Well, thanks to Oppo for that.

* Which AV receiver do you have; a Denon/Marantz one?
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One note about the AIX disc - volume level matching between speakers is supposed to be done with band-limited pink noise (500 Hz to 2 kHz), and I've found the AIX disc does NOT have band-limited signals on it. When I play the volume level matching patterns from the AIX disc, the subwoofer engages, so it is obviously going down below 500 Hz. This doesn't happen with the Spears & Munsil II disc, which does have correct band-limited pink noise for the normal and LFE channels.

This only applies to the speaker level matching patterns.
WOW Disney Blu-ray disc; any good to calibrate channel levels matching?
{Cost me 45 bucks, Canadian with tax, for that one.}
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It's not the best choice for level matching. It can be used, but you'd need to do things like make sure your crossovers are all set and still operational, yet still disable the sub completely so that it doesn't contribute to the volume measured.

Also, most common SPL meters (and especially the cheap ones) are most accurate in that 500 - 2k range, and can lose their accuracy in the lower frequencies, so a band-limited pink noise is best for level matching.

Personally, I just use the receiver's Audyssey setup to do the level matching for me, but I'm all digital and that doesn't work with the Oppo's analog outs.
Good to know, thx Bob.
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How much area should letterbox bars cover when playing 21:9 content on a 16:9 display?
Recently went from a 60 to 65 inch, the black bars at the top and bottom seem taller and occupying more screen area than before.
Two bars @ 4 inches height so that makes 8 inches out of 31 inch total height of the screen, that comes to 25.8% of the whole screen.is this correct?
Double checked tv screen settings all set to 16:9.
Is there specific control in the oppo that changes letterbox bar height?
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How much area should letterbox bars cover when playing 21:9 content on a 16:9 display?
Recently went from a 60 to 65 inch, the black bars at the top and bottom seem taller and occupying more screen area than before.
Two bars @ 4 inches height so that makes 8 inches out of 31 inch total height of the screen, that comes to 25.8% of the whole screen.is this correct?
Double checked tv screen settings all set to 16:9.
Is there specific control in the oppo that changes letterbox bar height?
Thanks
The aspect ratio of the content dictates the size (height) of the the letterbox bars. It would follow that when you switch from a 60 to 65 inch display that the bars would be taller as everything will change in proportion to the screen size.
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I got my 103 today. I find that the audio just doesn't have that oomph.
Watched the dark knight rises on the weekend via the xbone and then watched it again on the 103 and the oppo just misses that certain extra oomph in the sound.
Am I the only one experiencing this?

I don't know what an xbone is, but if you are connecting your 103 to your amp using HDMI, the audio issue is happening somewhere else (not in the 103), since it's merely sending the digital signal to your amp without doing anything to the data.


On the other hand, if you are using analog connections, it's possible that you haven't set up bass management properly in the 103--and/or it's also possible that there is something amiss with your other equipment.

The audio quality from the Oppo via HDMI is exactly what I got from two other (cheaper) BluRay players, and I was very happy with what I heard using the analog outputs to play multichannel SACDs--it was nearly as good as my Denon 3910 universal player, which had a list price 3x the Oppo's.

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