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post #18271 of 21409 Old 09-16-2014, 12:48 PM
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^ This is probably the new HDMI handshake that happens when you start the feature because (1) the audio format changes and (2) the content changes to 1080p/24 where the menus or disc "warning" screens may have been 1080p/60. In addition, Copy Protection is being established as part of the new handshake.

Try setting 1080p resolution explicitly (not Auto or Source Direct). Try setting HDMI Audio to LPCM or Bitstream as you prefer (not Auto). Try turning 1080p/24 Output OFF.

The way HDMI works, handshakes take about 2 seconds, and retries also take about 2 seconds, so it sounds like you are getting 2 retries before things settle down. There may be similar settings you can make in your AVR to simplify its handshake to your Display, too. Otherwise the usual methods apply for getting HDMI happy -- upgrade your cables and simplify your set of HDMI connections.
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^ This is probably the new HDMI handshake that happens when you start the feature because (1) the audio format changes and (2) the content changes to 1080p/24 where the menus or disc "warning" screens may have been 1080p/60. In addition, Copy Protection is being established as part of the new handshake.

Try setting 1080p resolution explicitly (not Auto or Source Direct). Try setting HDMI Audio to LPCM or Bitstream as you prefer (not Auto). Try turning 1080p/24 Output OFF.

The way HDMI works, handshakes take about 2 seconds, and retries also take about 2 seconds, so it sounds like you are getting 2 retries before things settle down. There may be similar settings you can make in your AVR to simplify its handshake to your Display, too. Otherwise the usual methods apply for getting HDMI happy -- upgrade your cables and simplify your set of HDMI connections.
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That did it, Bob. Wow, thank you. Per suggestion I have set the resolution explicitly at 1080p, turned 1080p/24 Output OFF and HDMI Audto to Bitstream.

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Many thanks for this pbarach. I have a new Harmony waiting for programming. This should help ease the process. (I suspect I've seen this advice before. But I would not have remembered it when I needed it.)

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Given others' different experience with the Harmony software, I'd better experiment. By the way, what version of the control software are you using? And what remotes? (This is getting a little off topic. So ignore if you think it's over the line.)
No, not at all over the line--I have the latest version (7.7) of the Harmony downloaded software, which operates differently than the version that is operated via the website. I have a Harmony One.

I'm glad to see that a couple of other people were able to use a Harmony remote without the problem that I had. But I know I'm not alone because I got directed to this solution by some other Oppo owners who subscribe to Official Logitech Harmony One thread

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I try to post some pics:

1) The chroma multiburst is perfect in HDMI1, without the more dark stripes
2) red and blue patterns are perfectly alligned in HDMI1 and always disallined in HDMI2 (every color space)
3) diagonal chroma lines are a simil bilinear here but are perfectly smooth in HDMI1
I had a chance to examine this closely today, and I'm not seeing what you are seeing.

On my 103, the HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 outputs both look the same -- and correct.

I don't know what's different about your 103 and mine, except of course for the fact that you are running the EU firmware. But there are things in those photos which clearly show an error SOMEWHERE in your video chain. The Chroma Alignment wedges for example.

All I can say is that with my 103, and my video chain I am not seeing those errors on HDMI 2 output, and HDMI 2 matches HDMI 1 output.

This is with Picture Adjustment for HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 both set at the factory default (0) values.

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The EU version of the Public Beta 0827B firmware is now available on the OPPO UK site. You might want to try installing that -- followed by a Reset of the player -- to see if that makes a difference:

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No, not at all over the line--I have the latest version (7.7) of the Harmony downloaded software, which operates differently than the version that is operated via the website. I have a Harmony One.

I'm glad to see that a couple of other people were able to use a Harmony remote without the problem that I had. But I know I'm not alone because I got directed to this solution by some other Oppo owners who subscribe to Official Logitech Harmony One thread
I wonder if that's unique to the Harmony One, perhaps? I'm also using the latest version of My Harmony (the app, not the web portal), but not for the One, for the 650. It set it up right out the box as a Home Theater device with all the BD features. Very strange...you'd think their database would be consistent.

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HDMI2 Sharpness Control Effect on HDMI1

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The beautifull is that if i use post processing setting of HDMI2 (but the cable is in HDMI1) i can use the sharpness control!!
Only the sharpness is working but others don't.

Now i have image from HDMI1 but with the sharpness of HDMI2.

too good to be true, i never again will update the firmware
Feelingblue : that is amazing !!! Thank you so much for sharing your discovery with us !


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I doubt that this is intentional. I'll report this to OPPO via Beta Tester channels, but I'm afraid if they fix it, you will lose this combined result you lie.
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Bob : please, PLEASE, do NOT report that as a bug ! I feel the trick uncovered by Feelingblue is the closest we've ever been to what many people were asking for in the past, i.e. a "halfway" HDMI1 Sharpness setting between 0 and +1 (since the full jump is too drastic). I'd say setting Sharpness in HDMI2 as +16, while still watching via HDMI1, is roughly the equivalent of an HDMI1 Sharpness setting of +0.3.

Please don't take that away from us !!!

PS: Tested and still functional with the latest Beta.

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^ Not for me to decide of course. I did make it clear that the folks who discovered this *LIKE* the result.
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^ Sure, of course I was kidding, but thank you for making sure Oppo is aware that we DO like the result...
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^ You are correct. Picture Adjustment > HDMI 2 > Sharpness is indeed also altering the video for HDMI 1. And that effect happens even across a power off / power on with Energy Efficient selected. Good catch!
Will this "trick" also work if I am using both hdmi1(to projector) and hdmi2(to AV receiver) and set for split AV mode?
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Improved the Gapless Playback feature, and resolved an issue where the gapless mode could not be enabled for some 96 kHz / 24-bit WAV files.
Can anyone please advise what exactly was changed here?
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Can anyone please advise what exactly was changed here?
I've been testing the Oppo's 'gapless playback' capabilities quite extensively within this dedicated Oppo BDP-103/105 Cue Files/Gapless playback support topic.

As far as I can see nobody has mentioned issues playing '96kHz/24-bit WAV files', whether they be stereo or multi-channel. Or with or without meta-data

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No, not at all over the line--I have the latest version (7.7) of the Harmony downloaded software, which operates differently than the version that is operated via the website. I have a Harmony One.

I'm glad to see that a couple of other people were able to use a Harmony remote without the problem that I had. But I know I'm not alone because I got directed to this solution by some other Oppo owners who subscribe to Official Logitech Harmony One thread
Logitech Harmony One using 7.7. I just set up the remote for my new 103 this morning and no problems at all. Other than the setup screen showing a graphic of a boombox instead of a DVD player, I found no issue. In addition, setting up the 103 as a 93 loses the remote control of the HDMI inputs, and perhaps some other functions I am unaware of.
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I wonder if that's unique to the Harmony One, perhaps? I'm also using the latest version of My Harmony (the app, not the web portal), but not for the One, for the 650. It set it up right out the box as a Home Theater device with all the BD features. Very strange...you'd think their database would be consistent.

Good question. I wonder as well if it is the Harmony One that is having issues with programming the 103. If one does use the 93 instead of the 103 for programming their Harmony will be missing some buttons. The one button that will be missing is the one for the Option function. I use this quite a bit for gapless playback with files on several hard drives.

Today I setup a new activity to listen to DSD/SACD stereo files with my 103. It took a bit of thought so I could use my Parasound 2100 and display but still have DSD direct. I found I could not send an HDMI signal directly to my plasma as it will not accept DSD so it converted it to PCM. So I used the HDMI 2 output to my 4311 then to the plasma. It is quite a complex activity setup but it works fine .

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Today I setup a new activity to listen to DSD/SACD stereo files with my 103. It took a bit of thought so I could use my Parasound 2100 and display but still have DSD direct. I found I could not send an HDMI signal directly to my plasma as it will not accept DSD so it converted it to PCM. So I used the HDMI 2 output to my 4311 then to the plasma. It is quite a complex activity setup but it works fine .

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Just force DSD output on your 103 (i.e. set SACD Output=DSD). That will mute any hdmi connections that can't receive DSD streams while still allowing DSD to devices that can receive DSD audio. No need for complex setups..
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I have a question for those playing DSD SACD files from a hard drive connected to the USB input on the 103. I get a faint click between tracks once when the track ends and then once when the next track starts. Is this normal? It's not a big deal but if I could do something to eliminate it that would be great. The interesting thing is when I play the same files with DSD converted to PCM there are no clicks between tracks. Is it possible in DSD direct that the clicks are not muted for some reason?

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Just force DSD output on your 103 (i.e. set SACD Output=DSD). That will mute any hdmi connections that can't receive DSD streams while still allowing DSD to devices that can receive DSD audio. No need for complex setups..

Dan,

Thanks for your thoughts. I had SACD Output set to Auto and tried setting it to DSD. The problem is with it set to DSD and not Auto I lose audio when playing multichannel DSD files with my 4311and plasma on for display purposes. Also if I use DSD then it will still not allow me to use my plasma to navigate through the hard drive directories. That is when using my Parasound 2100 for stereo DSD listening. If I didn't have the Harmony 688 to power up all the components and set them to the correct inputs it would a huge PITA. But with the touch of one button it is all done with no issues .

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Dan,

Thanks for your thoughts. I had SACD Output set to Auto and tried setting it to DSD. The problem is with it set to DSD and not Auto I lose audio when playing multichannel DSD files with my 4311and plasma on for display purposes. Also if I use DSD then it will still not allow me to use my plasma to navigate through the hard drive directories. That is when using my Parasound 2100 for stereo DSD listening. If I didn't have the Harmony 688 to power up all the components and set them to the correct inputs it would a huge PITA. But with the touch of one button it is all done with no issues .

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Bill, I'm trying to parse your statements above. Setting SACD output to DSD doesn't blank the hdmi video...it only mutes the audio. I'm not sure I understand why you can't use your plasma display and Oppo onscreen interface.
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I have a question for those playing DSD SACD files from a hard drive connected to the USB input on the 103. I get a faint click between tracks once when the track ends and then once when the next track starts. Is this normal? It's not a big deal but if I could do something to eliminate it that would be great. The interesting thing is when I play the same files with DSD converted to PCM there are no clicks between tracks. Is it possible in DSD direct that the clicks are not muted for some reason?

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Bill,


Are your DSD files in .dsf format? I used to extract to this format because .dsf supports tagging of files whereas .dff does not.


If the files are from PS3 rips using SACDextract then it is now known that the .dfs file extraction method results in incorrect file termination because .dsf requires the actual DSD data in predefined data chunk sizes right up until the end of the file (before the ID tag portion starts) and SACD extract does not pad the data to fill the last data chunk, resulting in audible clicks.


I could hear them on my system so I now extract to DSDIFF .dff files instead.


There are two ways, however, of extracting .dff files from a SACD iso.
The first is to extract each track into it's own .dff file, which is identical to the .dsf method except that there are no longer any clicks but unfortunately there is no facility to tag these .dff directly (although Foobar can add sidecar tags to be used only within Foobar. (I don't use Foobar but use JRiver Media Centre (and love it))


The second way is to extract the SACD iso to a DSDIFF edit master .dff file which is one long file with a .cue file to enable track navigation. This is done directly through SACDextract (And more easily though Sonore iso2dsd GUI for SACDextract)


I use this latter method because the Oppo cannot do gapless play back of sequential .dff or .dsf files whereas the continuous .dff edit master plus cue file IS gapless. It just requires "playing" the .cue file rather than playing the .dff file.


I hope this is helpful (and clear?)


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Bill, I'm trying to parse your statements above. Setting SACD output to DSD doesn't blank the hdmi video...it only mutes the audio. I'm not sure I understand why you can't use your plasma display and Oppo onscreen interface.

Dan,

True that the DSD setting does not blank video. There are several factors why I setup my system as I did. Using the 4311 for multichannel and the 2100 (HT Bypass) for stereo music listening complicates things a bit. The fact that the 4311 has a low LFE bug with DSD is one of the reasons I prefer PCM for multichannel SACDs/files. So if I set the 103 to DSD instead of Auto I get a reduced LFE level of -10dB compared to when PCM is used. With the Auto setting I get DSD for the analog outputs to my 2100 and PCM for HDMI to my 4311. In essence it isn't that complicated as the activity for stereo SACD file playing has only one added component which is the 4311. The 4311 is powered up only to provide a way for the video signal to pass to my plasma. It sounds complicated but luckily I have it figured out and under control .

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Logitech Harmony One using 7.7. I just set up the remote for my new 103 this morning and no problems at all. Other than the setup screen showing a graphic of a boombox instead of a DVD player, I found no issue. In addition, setting up the 103 as a 93 loses the remote control of the HDMI inputs, and perhaps some other functions I am unaware of.
Perhaps Logitech fixed the database for the 103, because I definitely had very few buttons programmed when I input "BPD-103" and had the Harmony software indicate that it was a "music system" (boombox).

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I have a question for those playing DSD SACD files from a hard drive connected to the USB input on the 103. I get a faint click between tracks once when the track ends and then once when the next track starts. Is this normal? It's not a big deal but if I could do something to eliminate it that would be great. The interesting thing is when I play the same files with DSD converted to PCM there are no clicks between tracks. Is it possible in DSD direct that the clicks are not muted for some reason?

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Hi Bill,

Out of interest... Are your DSD files the basic (SACD) DSD64 rate or higher.

Are they .dff or .dsf contained? It does make a difference when it comes to playback

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Out of interest... Are your DSD files the basic (SACD) DSD64 rate or higher.

Are they .dff or .dsf contained? It does make a difference when it comes to playback

SMD,

I'm not sure if they are DSD64 just that they are DSF files. A fellow AVS member was so kind to convert my ISO files to DSF files .

Another issue I found is that I'm unable to use gapless playback with the SACD DSF files. Gapless playback works fine with Hi-Res FLAC files I have. Is there an issue with the Oppo's playing gapless with DSF files?

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I'm not sure if they are DSD64 just that they are DSF files. A fellow AVS member was so kind to convert my ISO files to DSF files .

Another issue I found is that I'm unable to use gapless playback with the SACD DSF files. Gapless playback works fine with Hi-Res FLAC files I have. Is there an issue with the Oppo's playing gapless with DSF files?
Gapless isn't supported for DSD files yet - note sure if or when it will be.
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Feelingblue : that is amazing !!! Thank you so much for sharing your discovery with us !




Bob : please, PLEASE, do NOT report that as a bug ! I feel the trick uncovered by Feelingblue is the closest we've ever been to what many people were asking for in the past, i.e. a "halfway" HDMI1 Sharpness setting between 0 and +1 (since the full jump is too drastic). I'd say setting Sharpness in HDMI2 as +16, while still watching via HDMI1, is roughly the equivalent of an HDMI1 Sharpness setting of +0.3.

Please don't take that away from us !!!

PS: Tested and still functional with the latest Beta.
If this is to be kept, and I can see why some would want it kept, then I believe that the sharpness control slider from HDMI 2 should be added to the HDMI 1 control panel. Ideally with separate settings for each which might be more difficult, but at minimum I would want to be able to access the control in the HDMI 1 page and have the sliders linked together.

The overall picture might be improved if this is fixed depending on why this is happening. If something that could be bypassed is not being bypassed, then the picture on HDMI 1 might be improved.

My thinking is that HDMI 2 (decoder output) feeds both HDMI outputs and although the sharpness control could be accessed and set as it is now using both HDMI setup pages, it is not, as this would require another slider in HDMI 1 and it might be quite difficult to have separate values for each output. In this case, the picture would not improve having this fixed. But it could be that something that should be bypassed for HDMI 1 output is not being bypassed which would improve the picture for HDMI 1.

Although I do like the sharpness of HDMI 2 better, I use HDMI 1 as the color and overall depth is better. I do like the much finer adjustment range provided by the HDMI 2 slider, but even at with HDMI 2 slider at sharpness +1, I lose some depth on HDMI 1. So my preference is to have it fixed by simply having HDMI 2 sharpness only affect HDMI 2.

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Each slider in the post processing sections certainly acts in a different part of the video chain
(inside the decoder, befor / after render, before / after internal scaling and so on)

In my situation, in HDMI2 PP, only sharpnes slider interact with both output.
Nobody know the exactly reason of this, surely becasue act in a point of video chain with is not bypassed in HDMI1.

Is a strange bug becasue is not pejorative but ameliorative.
If you don't like.... dont youse! Simply.

what I'm trying to figure out is if the European players work differently.

I have a different perception of the image:

1)For my, in HDMI2, there are chroma dissalineament and this mean probabily some destructive back conversion of chroma upsampling.
Someting wrong in video chain..
the problem is that, in realtime, with same color space settings, simply only changing cable from HDMI2 to HDMI1, put things correctly.. magically chroma become perfect. I must investigate.

2) Puttin HDMI2 sharpness slider to +1 i don't see any visible changing to image.
I Have a VPR in a 2.5mt base screen, therefore is easy for me to notice subtle details.
Pheraps sharpnes in HDMI2 in EU players is even more .. fine.

Concluding, for me, the best image possible is HDMI1 with fine HDMI2 sharpness.
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I'm not sure if they are DSD64 just that they are DSF files. A fellow AVS member was so kind to convert my ISO files to DSF files .

Another issue I found is that I'm unable to use gapless playback with the SACD DSF files. Gapless playback works fine with Hi-Res FLAC files I have. Is there an issue with the Oppo's playing gapless with DSF files?

Bill
Bill, as per my response to you yesterday, gapless DSD (either Direct DSD or DSD to PCM conversion) doesn't work and I wouldn't hold your breath for it to be implemented by Oppo. (although Jriver Media Centre on my PC does it with ease)


If you still have your .iso files, it would be a simple job to re-convert them yourself (the software is free, readily available and easy to use with no complicated options to optimise) and extract your own iso's into DSDIFF Edit Master (.dff) files with a cue sheet.
I left my PC running overnight and it did ~250 SACD iso extractions into multichannel and stereo variants (although it then took me a few hours to then edit a few cue sheets and put the files into folders etc.)
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As an aside, I shall now spout heresy....
Due to exactly these issues, I would have planned my home theatre / HiFi setup differently knowing what I know now and not gone for the Oppo but spent the money on a proper Surround Sound Processor instead.
The Oppo is primarily a universal disc player, (which it does exceptionally well as a stand alone unit) with some OK but not-very-good bolt-on facilities like media player (via attached USB drives, or NAS streaming, or HTPC streaming) and USB DAC (stereo only) all with clunky interfaces and pre-amplifier functions which all work in a rudimentary way but not great. However, I hardly ever use it to spin discs now - a few movies or shows a week, as I am not a couch potato.


Most of what I use my system for is music listening, multichannel and stereo.
I have around 250 SACD/DVDA and almost 2000 CD's which I have archived to digital storage and the discs are now boxed up and stored away. I use the Oppo's clunky and non graphical interface to scroll (father than flip and browse my way) through the contents of my USB hard drive to listen to music. Admittedly the Oppo iPad app is faster and way better than the tap-tap-tap-tap-tap scroll "function" of the remote control way for doing this but on the iPhone the track titles get cut off making it hard to use.


I buy and watch Blu-ray discs but will not archive these as I rarely want to watch the same movie too frequently and the files are huge so the shiny disc is a nice compact way to store them anyway.


Today, I would choose to use my old PS3 as a competant Blu-ray (and DVD) spinner outputting fairly untouched, unsharpened, neutral video at 1080p24 and bitstreamed audio via HDMI. The PS3 is a very basic Blu-ray player, but that's what we all strive for really: - just the digital video and digital audio lifted off the disc and minimally processed and fed out via HDMI. I am 100% certain that the transport in the Oppo 105 is little better at doing this than the PS3.


I would then have a micro HTPC running JRiver Media Centre outputting my stereo and multichannel music files (and the occasional movie) via bit-perfect DSD and PCM over HDMI.


Both of these would feed a dedicated SSP (Surround Sound Processor) (basically a high-end DAC like the Oppo 105's Sabre reference chips plus full and customisable pre-amp functions plus room correction like Audyssey or Dirac Live) whose 7.1 line-outs would go to my power amps and sub.
I recognise that the HTPC and SSP would have cost me twice as much as the Oppo 105, but I think it would be a much more adaptable system. As ever, I'm finding that the one-solution-in-a-box system is a jack of all trades and master of none, albeit with a sound that I really like.


Of note, just about every post in these threads are about getting the extended features of the Oppo to work properly or to be customised as best as the limitations will let us and not about it's competent performance to handle us sticking in a Blu-Ray and getting an unprocessed HDMI video signal to the display.........
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Bill, as per my response to you yesterday, gapless DSD (either Direct DSD or DSD to PCM conversion) doesn't work and I wouldn't hold your breath for it to be implemented by Oppo. (although Jriver Media Centre on my PC does it with ease)


If you still have your .iso files, it would be a simple job to re-convert them yourself (the software is free, readily available and easy to use with no complicated options to optimise) and extract your own iso's into DSDIFF Edit Master (.dff) files with a cue sheet.
I left my PC running overnight and it did ~250 SACD iso extractions into multichannel and stereo variants (although it then took me a few hours to then edit a few cue sheets and put the files into folders etc.)

Mark,

Thank you for the above information. I will look at that as an option. But unfortunately I'm not very computer savvy with stuff like this.

Bill
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Mark,

Thank you for the above information. I will look at that as an option. But unfortunately I'm not very computer savvy with stuff like this.

Bill
Honestly, Bill, it is simple. The 3 file package to do it is here. It doesn't need to be installed into Windows bit is run as an executable.


http://www.rendu.sonore.us/apps2.html


The LONG forum posts that go into details etc are here:
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f1...5/index87.html


I only post that as it shows you that the software is not adware or viral and lots of people use it.
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Each slider in the post processing sections certainly acts in a different part of the video chain
(inside the decoder, befor / after render, before / after internal scaling and so on)

In my situation, in HDMI2 PP, only sharpnes slider interact with both output.
Nobody know the exactly reason of this, surely becasue act in a point of video chain with is not bypassed in HDMI1.

Is a strange bug becasue is not pejorative but ameliorative.
If you don't like.... dont youse! Simply.

what I'm trying to figure out is if the European players work differently.

I have a different perception of the image:

1)For my, in HDMI2, there are chroma dissalineament and this mean probabily some destructive back conversion of chroma upsampling.
Someting wrong in video chain..
the problem is that, in realtime, with same color space settings, simply only changing cable from HDMI2 to HDMI1, put things correctly.. magically chroma become perfect. I must investigate.

2) Puttin HDMI2 sharpness slider to +1 i don't see any visible changing to image.
I Have a VPR in a 2.5mt base screen, therefore is easy for me to notice subtle details.
Pheraps sharpnes in HDMI2 in EU players is even more .. fine.

Concluding, for me, the best image possible is HDMI1 with fine HDMI2 sharpness.
I recently got a new old stock CD player that has a headphone output. I found the headphone output quite interesting as this is the first time I have tweaked something while listening in real time. Simply and slightly moving cables around inside the player changes the sound significantly. I also have noticed on so far two CD players and the BDP-103 and one TV that most of the menu options change the sound. The CD players and the Oppo sound different, for example, when in repeat 1 or repeat all (repeat chapter, repeat title for the Oppo). Point here, is that everything affects everything. The 103 has different sound in all of these modes: no repeat, repeat chapter, and repeat title. Now I imagine not many will hear this difference.

I am not sure that this issue does not have a detrimental affect on the video. I do not know what is going on internally. Oppo does not make schematics available and I am not sure even with it I could tell as sometimes internal changes inside a chip changes things. It might not have a detrimental effect. One effect is that the two outputs cannot have different sharpness settings, well they can, but cannot be totally independently tweaked.

If this does not have a detrimental effect, then to me, the way to keep it is to put the HDMI 2 sharpness also in the HDMI 1 control panel and label it in such a way that it is known it affects both outputs or do so in the footnotes/description. The player now is not telling me the truth in that a control that is only in the HDMI 2 setup also affects the HDMI 1 output. This should certainly be corrected.

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