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Sounds like you still don't have Protections set quite right in your Windows PC for file sharing the pictures that won't display.

Proper configuration of Windows to do this is not something I can help you with. I believe it involves a chalk pentagram. And possibly a chicken.
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Does the BDP-103 send the digital audio from the HDMI in out through the Coaxial/Optical Audio out?

I am going to be connecting this to a sound bar and I have not decided which sound bar to buy. I know some do HDMI, while others only do Coax/Optical.

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As Bill said, yes, the audio coming in on the HDMI Inputs is available on the Coax/Optical digital audio outputs.

But be aware that the Coax/Optical outputs are limited in the types of audio they can carry. For the type of audio you are likely to feed into the OPPO on its HDMI Inputs this won't make a difference. But for the more exotic formats you can play as discs, and even for multi-channel LPCM audio input on the HDMI Inputs, the Coax/Optical outputs will limit you.

For example, when you play an SACD music disc, the Coax/Optical outputs will be muted. Such outputs are not licensed to carry SACD content since they don't provide "copy protection".

Now, even the HDMI-capable sound bar you are considering probably has limits on the type of formats it will accept as HDMI Audio input. But if it can accept LPCM 5.1 or LPCM 7.1 audio (and massage that down to what the sound bar's speakers can reproduce) then you are ahead of the game.

The Coax/Optical outputs can carry Stereo LPCM (up to 192KHz 24-bit) or traditional, lossy, DD and DTS Bitstreams up to 5.1 channels. That's it.

Read the specs on the HDMI-capable sound bar. Even with its HDMI input, it may not accept LPCM 5.1, LPCM 7.1, Dolby TrueHD, or DTS-HD MA. And if it is limited like that the Coax/Optical version may be just as good (except if you want to play SACD discs). But if the HDMI version CAN accept these fancier formats then you will have more flexibility using the HDMI version.
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Hi guys! im new and i hope not to break any rules by making this post.
I have a little problem with my oppo 103 the receiver and the projector, hope you can help me. Ok it goes like this, i use the split av hdmi oppo video option (it says in the manual that is the best option for video quality and sound loss) so i connect output 1 hdmi from the oppo to the projector directly (video) and i use the output 2 hdmi from the oppo to my receiver (audio) and i have a audio delay... altough i can use the receiver sync option or the oppo sync option to adjust the delay i get crazy trying to adjust it, and i cant be 100% sure if its sync or not. The only thing i came up to fix this is to connect hdmi output 1 and 2 directly to the receiver and then use the hdmi output from the receiver to the projector but in this case im not sure if i have a quality dropped cause (altough i disabled the video processing options in the receiver) i dont know if the receiver does something with the video signal, the thing is that i bought this oppo (i live in Argentina and its way too expensive) for the qdeo marvell video and i want to be sure if its function 100%

ok guys thats all i hope not to bother you.

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The "normal" way to hook things up is to use only the HDMI 1 output. Run that to your AVR and run HDMI from the AVR to your projector. So if that works for you, then keep things simple.

The main reason to use the dual cabling hook up is if you want to send video to your projector (such as 3D video) which your AVR can not pass. In that case you use HDMI 1 to the projector (for video) and HDMI 2 to the AVR (for audio). Set Split A/V.

In general, if the OPPO is set to output 1080p then the AVR will find it has no work to do as far as the video is concerned. Which means most AVRs will pass on that 1080p signal to the TV without molesting it.

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Now, if you wan't to continue with the dual cabling solution, your A/V sync problem may be due to the "helpful AVR" problem. The AVR does not know it has been bypassed for video, and so it applies a chunk of audio delay to compensate for its own, internal, video processing time -- just to be helpful -- which screws things up of course because the video is not going through it to be processed in the first place.

Another possibility is if the AVR is trying to apply "automatic lip-sync" correction. This sounds great but is a lot more simple-minded than you'd expect. What this does is cause the AVR to inquire of the TV (whatever is attached to its HDMI output) how much audio delay the TV would like to have added to compensate for video processing time INSIDE THE TV. The problem is that many TVs just send back a single, constant delay value, regardless of the type of video being fed to them and how they are set for video processing.

So, turn off auto lip-sync in the AVR. And then also try to convince the AVR that it is not doing any video processing. This might be done by disabling the AVR's video output, or by setting the AVR to "HDMI pass-through" for video.

Finally, some Displays get slow for video processing if fed 1080p/24. This can screw things up if you set sync adjustment for 1080p/60 content and then play some 1080p/24 content. Try setting 1080p/24 Output to OFF in the OPPO so that 1080p/60 gets sent instead.

The last advice is to use a calibration disc. There are A/V sync tests on Spears & Munsil v2, Blu-ray (available from the OPPO Digital web store), but I particularly like the sync test found on Disney's "WOW World of Wonder", Blu-ray, available from Amazon -- one of the easier such tests to read. The problem is that real world content sometimes has inherent sync error. In particular, if you are seeing sync vary between scenes that is almost certainly something screwy in the content. There are lots of reasons why this happens, and it is far more common than most people realize. The point here is that you need to adjust A/V Sync using content of known sync quality -- which means a calibration disc.
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Sorry. I'm a new 103 owner and thought the 103 thread would be the place to ask. Do I need to create a new thread or is there another existing thread that's more appropriate?

I'll see what I can find in the WMP settings.
If you want to use DNLA, there are many decent options, any one of which is better than the crippled server offered by WMP.
If you want to use SMB, look up "file sharing" in Windows help and start reading. I'm not sure where we are with SMB support in Windows-8, but Window-7 works fine.
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Yes, just when I push the Ondemand remote buttom the menu will only come up in Sd. Pushing Ondemand again brings me back to the Hd channel I was on in Hd. It looks like there needs to be an HDCP fix either at the STB or the OPPO 103. If I bypass the OPPO and go direct STB to TV everything works fine. I was able to get an HD ondemand menu to come up once but never again. OPPO says they don't have FIOs in California and can't test it. FIOS techs no meaningful response. I guess I just live with it.
Cable and Satellite boxes of all types are notorious for having crappy HDMI implementations. It sounds like the On-Demand stuff in your FIOS box is not handling "repeater processing" properly. That's the part of the HDMI handshake which talks THROUGH the OPPO to the TV.

(The HDMI handshake is controlled by the source device -- your FIOS box in this case. So it sets up to connect to the OPPO and then ALSO has to set up to connect to the TV through the OPPO. In the past it was quite common for set top boxes to screw up that last part -- meaning they only worked properly if DIRECTLY connected to the TV -- nothing in between.)

If that's the case, you might find other folks complaining in the thread here at AVS for your particular model of FIOS box. Sometimes a firmware update to the box is available. Usually the only fix is to replace the box with a newer, less broken model.

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As a workaround, you could try adjusting the output settings in the FIOS box to "simplify" the HDMI handshake. For example, try setting the FIOS box to output 720p only. Then see if the On-Demand stuff works. Then try 1080i only. Then try 1080p again. It may be it is only failing with 1080p output. I'm pretty sure the video coming into your FIOS box is 1080i or less, so setting 1080i output may very well be the correct fix.

Ideally you want to set the FIOS box to "native" output -- meaning it switches output Resolution automatically to match the content you happen to be playing at the moment: 480i for SD channels and either 720p or 1080i for HD channels. That lets the OPPO do all of the video processing -- which is what gets you the best possible picture from each channel.

Similarly, try setting audio output of the FIOS box to a fixed choice instead of Auto -- the choice you want will be labeled Bitstream or Dolby Digital, as that lets you get surround sound audio into the OPPO. "Auto" choices complicate the HDMI handshake because the FIOS box has to figure out what the OPPO will accept and adjust accordingly -- for every handshake.
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1) No. For a variety of reasons, the Home Menu is the starting point for doing everything in the 10x players.

2) Double-check that you are using the correct socket on the back panel. You've got 3 HDMI sockets back there: HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 outputs, and HDMI BACK Input. There's also an HDMI/MHL Input on the front panel you can try. The Media player needs to be set to output a standard home theater resolution, such as 1080p.
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Thanks Bob for clarifying point 1. WRT to point 2 I am 99.99% certain I am using the correct HDMI port but you remind me to check it, which I will do. AFAIK the Medi8er is outputting standard 1080p - again I will check that this is so. It seems odd that it works fine when plugged into an AVR input but not the Oppo's input. Thanks for the suggestions - I will report back.

Edit: Just checked - yes the media player is connected to the HDMI IN on the back of the Oppo. I will check the media player output setting when I fire up the PJ later.

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Unfortunately (or not!) that has already been sold. But I have another BD player that I can use. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Anyone?
I can display JPGs via SMB and DLNA - however not all display.
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Sorry. I'm a new 103 owner and thought the 103 thread would be the place to ask. Do I need to create a new thread or is there another existing thread that's more appropriate?

I'll see what I can find in the WMP settings.
If you are having trouble getting streaming to work - try 1 disable your windows firewall and make sure you can ping your oppo from the workstation. 2 Try setting up a share - you can right click on a folder and make sure it is shared to everyone - throw an MP3, MKV and JPG in there. 3 If you aren't having any luck, try a DLNA server like Mezzmo or PLex.
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Side by Side is a 3D embedded in 2D format. You play it as 2D and then you enable 2D to 3D conversion for Side by Side either in the OPPO (press the 3D button on the remote twice) or in your TV. If you do that in the OPPO, the OPPO will send a 3D video signal to your 3D-capable TV.
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Thank you, I will try again.
Do you know if and how is possile to play 3d files (not discs) iso or mkv via nas and lan or usb hd?
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^ I do not know. I don't have a 3D setup, so it is not something I've experimented with.
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Ok, thank you anyway Bob
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I can display JPGs via SMB and DLNA - however not all display.
Yes, it can happens sometimes on hardware playback devices. Quite often it's a meta-data issue, when the image has been rotated at some point and saved...


kbarnes701,

Out of interest... Does your Medi8er offer any on-board 'post processing' options. Such as 'deep/extended'? If so, try turning them all off...

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Wow, lots of feedback. Thank you.

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Sounds like you still don't have Protections set quite right in your Windows PC for file sharing the pictures that won't display.

Proper configuration of Windows to do this is not something I can help you with. I believe it involves a chalk pentagram. And possibly a chicken.
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I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

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If you want to use DNLA, there are many decent options, any one of which is better than the crippled server offered by WMP.
If you want to use SMB, look up "file sharing" in Windows help and start reading. I'm not sure where we are with SMB support in Windows-8, but Window-7 works fine.
Can you point me to a thread where I might learn about better alternatives to WMP? I'm pretty ignorant about this stuff and am not sure what to look for.

BTW, I also have Logitech Media Server on my computer (for my Logitech Touch I use for music) and I can see that on the 103 and access those music files no problem. Hmmm....I'll check and see if LMS also works with photos. If so, maybe that will solve my issue?

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I can display JPGs via SMB and DLNA - however not all display.
Yeah, it's weird that I can see the sample pics that came with the computer, but not pics I've added. As I mentioned earlier, if I copy pics to a USB thumb drive and plug it into the 103, they display fine. Perhaps I might just copy all my pics to a USB drive and just plug it into the 103 whenever I want to view them.

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If you are having trouble getting streaming to work - try 1 disable your windows firewall and make sure you can ping your oppo from the workstation. 2 Try setting up a share - you can right click on a folder and make sure it is shared to everyone - throw an MP3, MKV and JPG in there. 3 If you aren't having any luck, try a DLNA server like Mezzmo or PLex.
I can see my files and the player acts like it's retrieving/displaying them, but the TV remains blank. I have no problem having the 103 access my music files on the same computer, and oddly no problem with pics that came with the computer in the Pictures file.

As I mentioned above, most of this is foreign to me (I don't know what a DLNA server is). Looks like I've got a steep learning curve ahead of me if I want to use my 103's network abilities.
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If you want to use DNLA, there are many decent options, any one of which is better than the crippled server offered by WMP.
If you want to use SMB, look up "file sharing" in Windows help and start reading. I'm not sure where we are with SMB support in Windows-8, but Window-7 works fine.
We have a winner!

Apparently it was an issue with WMP. I found I could have Logitech Media Server scan my picture file as well. Did a rescan, powered up the 103 and TV, selected LMS server found by the 103, and now my pics display!

Bad WMP!

Thanks to everyone for the help.
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Thank you, I will try again.
Do you know if and how is possile to play 3d files (not discs) iso or mkv via nas and lan or usb hd?
ISO is not supported.
You can do it with mkv, but you will have to encode the mkv to top/bottom or side/side. MVC is not supported in mkv by the Oppo players.
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Any chance of 4k Amazon Prime??

http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/

I want it.

On my OPPO.

For Christmas.

Seriously though, lack of Amazon prime is killing me on the OPPO.

It's attached to my Seiki 50". Blueray upscaled to 4K does look great on the OPPO/Seiki combo.
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If you want to use DNLA, there are many decent options, any one of which is better than the crippled server offered by WMP.
If you want to use SMB, look up "file sharing" in Windows help and start reading. I'm not sure where we are with SMB support in Windows-8, but Window-7 works fine.
SMB with Windows 8.1 was supposedly fixed 2 or 3 monthly update cycles ago but required a second round of updates to be applied. I have no personal experience whether this truly fixed the problems but I think another person posted that it did.

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http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/

I want it.

On my OPPO.

For Christmas.

Seriously though, lack of Amazon prime is killing me on the OPPO.

It's attached to my Seiki 50". Blueray upscaled to 4K does look great on the OPPO/Seiki combo.
It would be nice if Oppo acquired Amazon streaming for their players,
but I don't know if 4k would even be possible with the current hardware inside.
Besides that, using Netflix as an example, they don't even offer their 4k streaming in players or other similar devices.
It is only offered as a built in option in 4k TVs so far. Not sure if the same scenario will play out with Amazon.
Hopefully their new stick and streaming box will be able to produce the new 4k stuff, but will have to wait and see.

I think we can also add HBO to the want list of streaming services too.
It is said that HBO will launch their new stand alone streaming service in a few months.
Oh, and the new music service Tidal too.

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get us those things if/when we really must have them.

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SMB with Windows 8.1 was supposedly fixed 2 or 3 monthly update cycles ago but required a second round of updates to be applied. I have no personal experience whether this truly fixed the problems but I think another person posted that it did.

I'm using Windows 8.1 x64 with all the latest patches and the current Oppo firmware and I am able to use SMB to view movies, music and pictures. I prefer Mezzmo with transcoding turned off though as I can better organize the folders I want to access via the Oppo (less clicks to get to the movies or TV shows while still having folder organization). Sometimes though Mezzmo hasn't updated it's index if you've just added new files. SMB is relatively current (as of the time you turn on your Oppo). If new files have been added since you've turned on your Oppo, you'll need to turn it off and on again to see those new files.
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Apple just made available a new version of Oppo's Media Control app (V 3.0.3) for iOS devices.

Check it out! Hope it's more stable/robust!
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Apple just made available a new version of Oppo's Media Control HD app (V 3.0.3) for iOS devices.

Check it out! Hope it's more stable/robust!
It's interesting but without the ability to search subfolders it really doesn't matter to me or anyone I know who streams through their Oppo if it is stable.
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It's interesting but without the ability to search subfolders it really doesn't matter to me or anyone I know who streams through their Oppo if it is stable.
Wow....What a Debbie Downer you are! You already chewed up the new version and spit out its pieces...How is your music/video database organized on your network? Yours may be organized differently than others. How many different subdirectory levels do you have? Oppo already alphabetizes your music or video directories for you. Please elaborate...
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Apple just made available a new version of Oppo's Media Control HD app (V 3.0.3) for iOS devices.

Check it out! Hope it's more stable/robust!
Never played around with the previous one, I had just purchased the 103D and then the app went south. Just spent a few minutes with this updated app and it seems to work just fine. I love being able to make my selection of content and have it load right from the Oppo Home screen instead of having to drill down onscreen to get to it, very nice.
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Apple just made available a new version of Oppo's Media Control HD app (V 3.0.3) for iOS devices.

Check it out! Hope it's more stable/robust!
Thanks for posting Dan, been waiting on the fix, I'll check it out this evening.
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Wow....What a Debbie Downer you are! You already chewed up the new version and spit out its pieces...How is your music/video database organized on your network? Yours may be organized differently than others. How many different subdirectory levels do you have? Oppo already alphabetizes your music or video directories for you. Please elaborate...
I have my music under
g:\music\general
G:\music\classical
G:\music\guitar
G:\music\salsa etc.


I have my movies under
G:\movies\action
G:\movies\animation
G:\movies\comedy
G:\movies\drama etc.


G:\TVCurrent\Americans
G:\TVCurrent\archer
G:\TVCurrent\Banshee
G:\TVCurrent\Big Bang etc.


While the drive letters and the exact folder names may vary, just about everyone I know who streams to their oppo, xbox, wii etc. has some folder organization for their stuff. I don't know anyone streaming from a mac so maybe they wouldn't organize. I have over 1000 BR movies scanned into my system - can you imagine having them in just one folder. Likewise countless seasons of TVshows and thousands upon thousands of music mp3s.


In general I find a remote with physical buttons that fits in one hand that I don't have to look at significantly better than a touchscreen - HOWEVER if it could search through all of my video subdirectories on my PC for a movie name it would be fantastic! This would be a game changer for the Oppo as a streaming player.

So say I want to find captain America - currently I have to be in my g:\movies\scifi to search for that movie. Ideally I wouldn't have to know what folder to be in or have to go to that folder to find it as a guest might search for it under action adventure. Either way it would be less cumbersome.

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I have my music under
g:\music\general
G:\music\classical
G:\music\guitar
G:\music\salsa etc.


I have my movies under
G:\movies\action
G:\movies\animation
G:\movies\comedy
G:\movies\drama etc.


G:\TVCurrent\Americans
G:\TVCurrent\archer
G:\TVCurrent\Banshee
G:\TVCurrent\Big Bang etc.
I see what you mean now, based on your organization of your media. You put a lot more effort in your directory structure/substructure than I did, and I question whether all of that structure you have is necessary. Let me elaborate. I don't have an extensive video collection as you have. My audio directories are very simplistic...it makes it easier to find something when you have just a home directory called "music" then a list of subdirectories based on the name of an artist or composer. Below that artist directory level, you would have CD/album directory substructures for that artist.

I didn't organize my audio and video by genre as you did. For a DLNA server, my NAS pre organizes my media based on many different criteria that was stored in each file's meta-data. Granted, your meta data needs to be up to date for an accurate directory structure, so if I want more "granularity" when searching for a particular piece of media, I would use the DLNA server. Here's a pic of how the upper level directory structurture looks like on my DLNA server. I didn't have to put a lot of effort into my media database. I let the DLNA server and associated indexing app do all the leg work(structure/substructure) for me.
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I see what you mean now, based on your organization of your media. You put a lot more effort in your directory structure/substructure than I did, and I question whether all of that structure you have is necessary.
I have 22TB of movies and 10TB of TV shows so for me organization is very necessary - just for backups alone. Mezzmo does a similar organization however I actually cut down the choices so I can get in to the exact item I want quicker. I think once you gather more media than you can backup to a single disk, you might organize them or when you get so many that scrolling through the single folder becomes tiresome.

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I see what you mean now, based on your organization of your media. You put a lot more effort in your directory structure/substructure than I did, and I question whether all of that structure you have is necessary.
To each his/her own. I have all of my classical music organized by type (orchestral, vocal, solo piano), then one level down by composer, then individual folders for each piece that contains the individual music files for each piece). Very easy to find stuff without having a search feature when you have a lot of stuff. In contrast, I have only a few sets of files that are not classical, so they are stuffed into an Other Music folder.
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