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How would you accomplish that without creating a signal loop?

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I know this must've been asked before, but I couldn't find a search phrase that could easily find the results I'm looking for: how many people connect their receiver's HDMI output to the Oppo's input so that all devices can take advantage of its video processing? Are there any potential issues with this type of setup?
I am sure some people do this but I don't. The tests I've conducted with my Yamaha RX-v777bt vs. Oppo 103 HDMI 1 out, which has the better Marvel Qdeo processor (although the processor on the HDMI 2 output ain't shabby), shows that I am not gaining much in upconversion quality using the Oppo over the Yamaha.

I have Oppo's HDMI 1 going straight to my Epson 1080P projector, by-passing the Yamaha completely. I have tried the HDMI 2 going through the Yamaha which is doing the conversion of all standard disks up to the ability of the projector, which is 1080p (the 777 can upconvert to 4K even, but of course it won't if the projector will not accept it). Basically, the difference is so slight between the Yamaha's ability and the Oppo, that I just send everything through the receiver and use the Oppo's HDMI 1 as a dedicated blu ray/3D output. Others might see things differently and of course it all depends on the the receiver you have and it's ability.

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How would you accomplish that without creating a signal loop?
To clarify, what I meant was Receiver->Oppo->TV
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How are you going to run the Oppo? HDMI 2 out to receiver?

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To clarify, what I meant was Receiver->Oppo->TV
What most Oppo owners do and the general recommendation is to run all your sources into the Oppo first, then out to your receiver, then to the tv. (i.e. Oppo->Receiver->Tv)
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The wireless feels like an afterthought which I suppose it is because the selling point is the video and audio processing capabilities of the player which, I must mention, I am enjoying.
The goal here is to solve the problem, which apparently is not with the video/audio aspects of the 103 but rather with its wireless connectivity in your particular setup. There are reasonable hardware solutions to a less-than-superb wireless connectivity problem at distant locations from the primary WiFi router in your house, where a true ethernet wired solution alternative at that location doesn't currently exist.

One usually very successful solution is through "ethernet over powerline adapters", which use the copper wiring in the walls of your home which bring AC power sockets to each room, as if they were ethernet cable connectors, through the use of a pair of "gizmos" plugged into the wall AC power sockets themselves. One gizmo plugs into a wall AC power socket near your router and connects via wired ethernet cable to a LAN port on the router, initiating the TCPIP transmission through the copper power cables of your home. A second (or third, etc.) gizmo goes near your internet-enabled device(s), plugging into a nearby wall AC power socket at that location. Again, a wired ethernet cable then connects from the gizmo to your internet-enabled device. You are now truly connected WIRED, rather than wireless, to that remote location where genuine ethernet wired connectivity was previously not available.

Alternatively, if you happen to have old-fashioned cable company 75ohm coax running through your walls so that there's a pair of unused coax connectors near both the router and also near the target remote location elsewhere in your house, you can use "ethernet over coax adapters" the same way. As with "ethernet over powerline adapters", in this case it's 75ohm coax that substitutes for true ethernet cable, and through the pair of gizmos provides wired connectivity back to the primary router. The advantage to these pieces of hardware is that it can be successfully used up to runs of 1000 feet of coax, to provide wired connectivity to the router over truly great distances.

Furthermore, if you need more than just one wired connection at the remote gizmo location, you can add an inexpensive "switch" and connect it to the gizmo, providing say four (or eight, or whatever you need, depending on the switch you buy) wired ethernet port connections there where the gizmo itself might have only been able to provide one wired connection ethernet port. Then you can connect multiple internet-enabled devices using wired connection to the switch, which in conjunction with the gizmo is providing genuinely wired connectivity back to the primary router at the other end of the house... through the copper power cabling running in your walls, or through 75ohm coax.

If you need truly additional and stronger wireless connectivity at the remote gizmo location (although if available wired is always preferred for reliability), you can use a "wireless access point (WAP)" to radiate a second wireless network SSID in its vicinity. Typically these WAPs also include a built-in 4-port wired switch capability as well as providing the second wireless network capability. So you can use the WAP instead of a standalone wired-only switch, connecting one of the wired ports on the WAP via ethernet cable to the ethernet port on the gizmo. That leaves the three remaining wired ethernet ports on the WAP for additional local wired connections to internet-enabled devices, in addition to also providing that second wireless network from the WAP itself if you still want strong wireless (say for nearby laptops) in its vicinity.

Many ways to address a less-than-perfect wireless capability at remote distances from the primary WiFi router in your home. All devices connected through the remote "extenders", WAPs, switches and gizmos will all be managed by the DHCP server function in your primary router in your home and will be handled and managed as if they were ordinary "wired connected devices" connecting directly to the primary router, so they can all see each other on your home's one-and-only LAN.
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Plastic cases don't interfere with signals like metal cases may do. There is a good reason why Oppo (and lots of other higher quality players) are built with metal cabinets and chassis rather than plastic. Metal provides a more rigid case and less likelihood of electrical interference. It is always possible for a cheap product to do something as well as or better than a more expensive one but as several people have pointed out, Oppo provides the extension so you can position the dongle for the best performance and still have all the benefits of their better build quality. In the end, Oppo provides the best of both worlds.
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So I've been playing around with my new 103 and I really dig it a lot. It's the little things that separate it from the competition. I love how sturdy it feels, the dual HDMI outputs, the picture options and zoom functions, how quick discs load, etc. I love that I can send video to the TV and audio to the receiver with the dual HDMI outputs. I put in the Expendables 3 BD and it loaded it up like it was a DVD. Super fast. I tested a few anamorphic and non-anamorphic discs and honestly couldn't tell any difference between HDMI 1 or 2. HDMI 1 being the one using Qdeo and HDMI 2 without. Is there a Qdeo selection in the menu's? I couldn't find any. Overall I really really like this player a lot. It feels like it's going to last me many years.
Is there a QDEO selection in the menu? Yes and no.

You won't find a menu item for turning QDEO processing on and off, or any menu item which specifically includes the acronym "QDEO". On the other hand, because HDMI 1 output includes QDEO processing and HDMI 2 doesn't, and the QDEO chip only does video processing, you'll see a difference between the picture quality menus for HDMI 1 and HDMI 2. Some video processing for HDMI 1 is handled by the Mediatek chip and some by the QDEO chip and the picture quality menu options for HDMI 1 show you what you can adjust but don't tell you which chip is doing the processing. All video processing for HDMI 2 is handled by the Mediatek chip and the setting options in the picture quality menu for HDMI 2 only affect Mediatek processing. The differences between the 2 picture quality menus are covered in the manual so you should read the section on the picture quality menu there in order to understand the differences fully.
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Like I said, I did the connection test and it showed 60% signal strength which should be enough to at least load the apps. And again, it worked fine last night. Whatever, it's working fine now with that stupid looking extension that I just have sitting behind the stand. This is just poor design on Oppo's part. Small antenna's on the back would have been much better.



I don't appreciate this attitude. Of course I have the option to return it. Oppo also has the option to design a better system for their wireless features. They clearly did not do this. I'm thrilled with everything else regarding the player, but this main feature should have been better designed is all I'm saying. If all you have to give in way of advice is a snarky comment, then please don't share that in the future.
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I totally disagree. I don't like the idea of devices having internal wi-fi modules and fixed wi-fi aerials. For me (and I suspect many others), the Oppo way is the best way
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HDMI "handshakes" cause 2-ch analog dropouts?

Hi, please forgive if I'm in the wrong forum. I just bought an OPPO BDP-103 as both a Blu-ray and CD/SACD player. For Blu-ray, the 103 is connected with HDMI to a Sony KDL-55W900A HDTV. For 2-channel analog CD/SACD, it is connected with analog cables to a Carver HR-752 receiver/preamp. (The Carver does not have HDMI inputs/outputs.)


Apparently the TV (or player?--one or the other) attempts random HDMI "handshakes" related to DHCP. These "handshakes" occur even when the TV is off.


As a result, every "handshake" results in a 4-5 second audio dropout...while I'm listening to 2-channel analog stereo!


OPPO tried to troubleshoot the issue with me by email for several days. However, the only recommended solution so far is to "always leave the TV ON...use Pure Audio to try to reduce energy consumption," or, "remove the HDMI cable completely from the player."


I'd rather not leave the TV on; that wastes electricity. I'd also rather not constantly remove/replace the HDMI cable each and every time I want to listen to 2-channel audio. For me, those are both very undesirable solutions...


Does any forum member have the same or very similar setup (OPPO connected to Sony TV with HDMI, and to analog receiver/preamp with analog cables)?


If you have a similar setup...have you figured out how to eliminate the "handshake" problem, without leaving the TV on, or without removing the HDMI cable? (For example, is there a setting on either the KDL-55W900A or BDP-103 to temporarily "turn off" HDMI handshakes?)


I like the player; but this characteristic prevents me from "loving" it. I would appreciate any tested, proven suggestions...
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Does anyone that runs region free hardware have issues? I'm thinking about purchasing a region free player from Bombay electronics. Is $629 a decent price? I mean the player alone is $499 from oppo and many sites sell the mod for $75-$150- I don't mind paying a little extra to have the tech support and garauntee the the mod will not stop working
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Does anyone that runs region free hardware have issues? I'm thinking about purchasing a region free player from Bombay electronics. Is $629 a decent price? I mean the player alone is $499 from oppo and many sites sell the mod for $75-$150- I don't mind paying a little extra to have the tech support and garauntee the the mod will not stop working
I bought my all-region-modified 103 from Bombay in February 2013. I communicated extensively with them via e-mail, both before and after my purchase, and the timeliness and extent of their support has invariably been top-notch. I should add that none of my communication with them has been problem-related. It's all been technological in nature... as I have had no problems with my 103 whatsoever.

I have over 1,500 DVDs and Blu-rays, many of which are not Region 1 / Region A. I have updated my firmware with every "official" update that's been released (including the current one)... and there has never been a problem of any sort with the update interfering with the player's ability to successfully switch regions.

The ability of this already-incredible Oppo to play any-and-all DVD and BD discs is extremely important to me... and the assurance that it will do so, completely reliably -- now and in the future -- is more than worth the added expense.

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Oppo has great MKV video playback but has a couple of issues - forced subs don't work so if an alien or Russian starts speaking in their native tongue (if they have one), you won't see the English subtitles pop up. It also can't play LPCM audio tracks - you can convert them to another format such as flac with apps like makemkv. If they could fix those two issues it would be wonderful but since they haven't addressed those yet, I don't think we'll see a fix anytime soon.


It has no problem with any Dolby or DTS that I've thrown at it and I've thrown a lot at it as I have a pretty large collection on MKV.

Is this something that we can ask Oppo to remedy in a future firmware update?
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I bought my all-region-modified 103 from Bombay in February 2013. I communicated extensively with them vie e-mail, both before and after my purchase, and the timeliness and extent of their support has invariably been top-notch. I should add that none of my communication with them has been problem-related. It's all been technological in nature... as I have had no problems with my 103 whatsoever.

I have over 1,500 DVDs and Blu-rays, many of which are not Region 1 / Region A. I have updated my firmware with every "official" update that's been released (including the current one)... and there has never been a problem of any sort with the update interfering with the player's ability to successfully switch regions.

The ability of this already-incredible Oppo to play any-and-all DVD and BD discs is extremely important to me... and the assurance that it will do so, completely reliably -- now and in the future -- is more than worth the added expense.

Awesome thanks for the response!
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You won't see any difference at all on a 1080p Bluray disc. The difference will come if you play a DVD and see if the Oppo upscales it better. Same with all your SD sources like TV etc too if you feed them through the Oppo inputs. People buy Oppo players for their build quality, support, upscaling, reliability, universal disc play ability and so on - not to see a difference on BD performance. If all you want is great BD performance, a $90 player will give you the same PQ and SQ. It'll likely take longer to load the disc, not be as well made, maybe less reliable, probably not have the FW updates as regularly and not be able to play SACD or DVD-A - but for Bluray you won't see any difference in the image quality, or the sound quality when connected via HDMI.
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Does anyone that runs region free hardware have issues? I'm thinking about purchasing a region free player from Bombay electronics. Is $629 a decent price? I mean the player alone is $499 from oppo and many sites sell the mod for $75-$150- I don't mind paying a little extra to have the tech support and garauntee the the mod will not stop working
It is very easy to fit the Bluray all-region hardware mod yourself you know - there's no soldering required and all the mods I have seen come with full photo instructions. Normally you just attach one connector to the place they show you and stick the little mod circuit board to the side of the player using the little sticky pad they provide. That's it. Takes 5 minutes.

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Apparently the TV (or player?--one or the other) attempts random HDMI "handshakes" related to DHCP. These "handshakes" occur even when the TV is off.

As a result, every "handshake" results in a 4-5 second audio dropout...while I'm listening to 2-channel analog stereo!
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Its not clear from your description whether this handshake occurs when you shut off the TV (normal) or if its happening randomly after the TV is off (not normal). If it the later, the TV is at fault and its a perplexing issue. See if the TV has settings for HDMI CEC that can be turned off, or any other standby settings that might be keeping the HDMI port active, You could also try switching the TV to a different input before shutting it off,
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Is this something that we can ask Oppo to remedy in a future firmware update?
I don't think it would hurt to let them know people want it. They are usually very responsive either way.
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Probably more of a question for Netflix, but thought I'd post here too.

I have my Oppo BDP-103 connected via ethernet to the Internet and HDMI to my 4K capable TV. The TV is also connected to the Internet via Ethernet. I use a 75/75 FIOS connection.

I just upgraded to the Ultra HD / 4K Netflix service and when I access Netflix via my (smart) TV I do get the 4K feed. However when I access Netflix via my Oppo I do not get the 4K feed.

Again both devices (TV and Oppo) are hard wired to my router running these high speeds.

Anyone understand why?
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Probably more of a question for Netflix, but thought I'd post here too.

I have my Oppo BDP-103 connected via ethernet to the Internet and HDMI to my 4K capable TV. The TV is also connected to the Internet via Ethernet. I use a 75/75 FIOS connection.

I just upgraded to the Ultra HD / 4K Netflix service and when I access Netflix via my (smart) TV I do get the 4K feed. However when I access Netflix via my Oppo I do not get the 4K feed.

Again both devices (TV and Oppo) are hard wired to my router running these high speeds.

Anyone understand why?
The OPPO does not accept any 4K sources, it only upscales to 4K.

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Thanks Bill. So then from a PQ standpoint, is it a moot point as the Oppo upscales to 4K anyway?
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Probably more of a question for Netflix, but thought I'd post here too.

I have my Oppo BDP-103 connected via ethernet to the Internet and HDMI to my 4K capable TV. The TV is also connected to the Internet via Ethernet. I use a 75/75 FIOS connection.

I just upgraded to the Ultra HD / 4K Netflix service and when I access Netflix via my (smart) TV I do get the 4K feed. However when I access Netflix via my Oppo I do not get the 4K feed.

Again both devices (TV and Oppo) are hard wired to my router running these high speeds.

Anyone understand why?
Your smart 4K TV, a Samsung one? ...Or LG (Life's Good)?
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Thanks Bill. So then from a PQ standpoint, is it a moot point as the Oppo upscales to 4K anyway?
It gives you a choice as to which device does the scaling, the player or the display. One might be better than the other.

It's not moot in that a 1080 image upscaled to 4K cannot be the same as a quality 4K source. I haven't seen Netflix 4k so can't speak as to its quality.

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Thanks Bill. So then from a PQ standpoint, is it a moot point as the Oppo upscales to 4K anyway?
Not the 103...the 113 yes.

* My 103 doesn't upscale to 4K?

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By the way, Netflix is 480p or 720p (in most places)?

And to get "true" 1080p, do you need to live in New York, Los Angeles, or Miami?

Netflix 4K??? Really? What kind of Ethernet speed do you need, 10000Mbps?

Last, Netflix 3D, only available from some TV brands, right?
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