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Old 01-02-2015, 06:57 PM
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I didn't realize this. Guess I will be swapping connections every time I switch between the Plasma and Projector. This sucks, makes the hdmi 2 kinda worthless unless you are using it for audio in the split a/v mode. I know I want both my screens displaying the better Qdeo processed video.








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Q: How do the two HDMI outputs work in conjunction with the video processor and each other?
A: The BDP-103 and BDP-105 employ a two-step video processing approach that utilizes video processing algorithms implemented on the main dual-core SoC and the latest generation of Marvell’s Qdeo video processor. The HDMI 1 output is driven by the Qdeo video processor while the HDMI 2 output is direct from the main SoC. The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements.
Performing video processing inside the player can result in superior picture quality. When playing discs or streaming online video, the player has the full knowledge of the source material’s properties, such as resolution, frame rate, encoding, and compression level. This information is then used to configure the video processors to optimally handle the content. A/V receivers and televisions all have some level of video processing capability built-in. However, these devices are made to accommodate a wide variety of input signal and formats ranging from composite video to HDMI. It is unlikely that the processing modes will be fully optimized for the content. Users will be able to get the best possible video quality out of our player's internal video processor by setting the player's HDMI output to the desired output resolution.

Q: Will both HDMI outputs support full resolution simultaneously and are they independently scalable?
A: Yes, both HDMI outputs can support full resolution simultaneously provided that the display devices connected to the two HDMI ports can both support the full resolution. The two outputs can output different resolutions but are not independently scalable. As described in the answer to the previous question, the HDMI 1 output is driven by the Qdeo video processor and the HDMI 2 output is direct from the main SoC. In order to make it simple for customers to properly set up the player, we offer a choice of “Split A/V” or “Dual Display” for configuration the two HDMI outputs. When “Split A/V” is selected, HDMI 1 is the primary video port and HDMI 2 is the primary audio port. HDMI 1 outputs video at the highest possible resolution and mutes audio. HDMI 2 outputs video at a resolution that can sufficiently carry the best audio. This mode is intended for users who connect HDMI 1 to a projector and HDMI 2 to an A/V receiver. When “Dual Display” is selected, HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 take a “best effort” strategy and output an audio/video signal that is commonly compatible with the downstream devices connected to both ports. This mode is intended for simultaneously supporting two screens. When only one of the HDMI ports is in use, the “Split A/V” or “Dual Display” setting is not applicable.

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Where are you getting these assumptions from? Last time I checked, he lived in the USA. Unless he moved recently...
Its just that where he lives isn't generally thought of as being part of civilization.
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Am I the only one having issues playing Expandables 3? The movie goes into pause several times, sometimes it continues at others it stays on pause forever. I saw folks having issues with other older Oppo models but none with the 103.
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^ Sounds like you have a bad disc -- what you are describing sounds like disc read errors with the player trying to recover by finding a place to continue.
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^ Sounds like you have a bad disc -- what you are describing sounds like disc read errors with the player trying to recover by finding a place to continue.
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Its just that where he lives isn't generally thought of as being part of civilization.
Is that good humor? ...Or some' else with insinuation. ...Hopefully the former. ...Yeah, that's the better side of life.
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Am I the only one having issues playing Expandables 3? The movie goes into pause several times, sometimes it continues at others it stays on pause forever. I saw folks having issues with other older Oppo models but none with the 103.
This Blu-ray flick is just a big pain in the but, for many people, and with various BD players.

Methinks that Lions Gate studios' encoding screwed up that one somehow.

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Am I the only one having issues playing Expandables 3? The movie goes into pause several times, sometimes it continues at others it stays on pause forever. I saw folks having issues with other older Oppo models but none with the 103.
It's probably similar to Dolby TrueHD discs that don't get along with most players unless they are set to output LPCM rather than streaming. Had no problem watching the extended version that way, but that's how I listen to all my lossless hd audio discs.

And what a train wreck, now it turns out not only do certain TrueHD discs behave this way, but also there's (some?) Atmos discs that also won't work with many/most players. Seems to be related to either seamless branching and/or perhaps some sort of misguided attempt at copy protection. Not a good thing, at all.
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Region Free Modifications for BDP-103

I was looking for a region free modification. Here is my experience searching for a product and my conclusion.

I started with the FAQ in the first post in this thread, looked for Region Free Modification, and narrowed down the list to Imegstore, JVBdigital and Bluraychip.dk.
Note: I will discuss also pricing. I checked in the forumrules if this is Ok, but did not find anything to the contrary. If not allowed, can an admin contact me, and I will edit my post.

The Imegstore shows a product that can be mounted externally or internally (by cutting off a USB connector). However, the manual describes that a 2012 BDP-103 firmware has to be used. Maybe the manual is outdated, but I did not want to run a risk. So Imegstore was no go for me.

JVBdigital shows a product which is similar to that of Imegstore. On the website, it is described as "external", but I got instructions from JVBdigital, which show an internal mounting similar to the one from Imegstore (cutting off USB). But there was no mention of a firmware restriction.
Another user of this forum however showed me that JVBdigital also has a unit which can only be mounted internally. That looked interesting to me. Funny thing was, that the other user saw this product, and also the previously mentioned external unit, on the JVB website, and I could not see the internal unit on the same website. We both could see the external unit, but at a much different price. The external unit I saw was more than double price of Imegstore. It seems to me that JVBdigital detects in which country your IP address is, and then offers products and prices accordingly. My understanding is that this is not allowed by antitrust law.
Further, the shipping estimate from Holland to Switzerland (where I live) was indicated as 80$. So, JVBdigital was no go for me, because of trickydicky policies and excessive pricing to me. (JVB had also referred me to a dealer in Switzerland who made a good offer. However, I had ordered already from Bluraychip. Nevertheless, I did not like the greyishness of the business).

Then the last one, Bluraychip.dk. I looked at the internal unit, which is similar to the internal unit from JVBdigital, with similar instructions. Bluraychip.dk has inconsistencies on the website regarding the inclusion of sales tax. There were reports on this forum saying Bluraychip was not responding to emails. I sent an email to ask some questions and that was answered within one hour. A second email was not answered. In the end, I ordered with Bluraychip, because pricing including shipment was OK. I will get it next week. If I see something interesting with the installation/operation, I will report.

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Both HDMI outputs from my 103 are connected to my AVR, and the 103 is set to Dual Display. So if I am watching a video on HDMI 1 (in other words, I am not looking at the output from HDMI 2 because I actually have only one monitor), am I still getting the best possible video from HDMI 1?



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Q: How do the two HDMI outputs work in conjunction with the video processor and each other?
A: The BDP-103 and BDP-105 employ a two-step video processing approach that utilizes video processing algorithms implemented on the main dual-core SoC and the latest generation of Marvell’s Qdeo video processor. The HDMI 1 output is driven by the Qdeo video processor while the HDMI 2 output is direct from the main SoC. The main SoC performs video decoding, de-interlacing, scaling and 2D-to-3D conversion, and the Qdeo video processor can perform further enhancements such as noise reduction, contrast and color enhancements.
Performing video processing inside the player can result in superior picture quality. When playing discs or streaming online video, the player has the full knowledge of the source material’s properties, such as resolution, frame rate, encoding, and compression level. This information is then used to configure the video processors to optimally handle the content. A/V receivers and televisions all have some level of video processing capability built-in. However, these devices are made to accommodate a wide variety of input signal and formats ranging from composite video to HDMI. It is unlikely that the processing modes will be fully optimized for the content. Users will be able to get the best possible video quality out of our player's internal video processor by setting the player's HDMI output to the desired output resolution.

Q: Will both HDMI outputs support full resolution simultaneously and are they independently scalable?
A: Yes, both HDMI outputs can support full resolution simultaneously provided that the display devices connected to the two HDMI ports can both support the full resolution. The two outputs can output different resolutions but are not independently scalable. As described in the answer to the previous question, the HDMI 1 output is driven by the Qdeo video processor and the HDMI 2 output is direct from the main SoC. In order to make it simple for customers to properly set up the player, we offer a choice of “Split A/V” or “Dual Display” for configuration the two HDMI outputs. When “Split A/V” is selected, HDMI 1 is the primary video port and HDMI 2 is the primary audio port. HDMI 1 outputs video at the highest possible resolution and mutes audio. HDMI 2 outputs video at a resolution that can sufficiently carry the best audio. This mode is intended for users who connect HDMI 1 to a projector and HDMI 2 to an A/V receiver. When “Dual Display” is selected, HDMI 1 and HDMI 2 take a “best effort” strategy and output an audio/video signal that is commonly compatible with the downstream devices connected to both ports. This mode is intended for simultaneously supporting two screens. When only one of the HDMI ports is in use, the “Split A/V” or “Dual Display” setting is not applicable.[/QUOTE]

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I didn't realize this. Guess I will be swapping connections every time I switch between the Plasma and Projector. This sucks, makes the hdmi 2 kinda worthless unless you are using it for audio in the split a/v mode. I know I want both my screens displaying the better Qdeo processed video.
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So it seems like the issue I was having is that the player has trouble with DTS-HD MA 6.1 audio on certain Fox titles. I tried all of the Star Wars films and X-Men: The Last Stand - all of which are discrete 6.1 tracks. On all of the titles, when the player was set to LPCM the sound quality was noticeably diminished in dynamic range and overall quality, like DRC had been turned on. When bitstreaming, nothing was wrong. However, when the player was set to either Bitstream or LPCM the front display would only display DTS-HD and not DTS-HD MA like other titles. I've tried several Fox DTS-HD MA 5.1 titles and hear no sonic difference between Bitstream and LPCM and the front display displays DTS-HD MA. It's only on these 6.1 titles. Also, on other 6.1 titles like Lord of the Rings and A.I. when set to LPCM the player will only send out 5.1, despite it displaying 6.1 when the info or audio buttons are engaged. I realize this might be an issue with it not being discrete 6.1, but if the player is reading and displaying 6.1, then it should be sending 6.1. The receiver receives full 6.1 when the player is set to Bitstream.
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Am I the only one having issues playing Expandables 3? The movie goes into pause several times, sometimes it continues at others it stays on pause forever. I saw folks having issues with other older Oppo models but none with the 103.
Another thing to check is that your Oppo firmware is up to date. Expendables 3 has a slightly different copy protection scheme.
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I had seen that. Just not sure I want to introduce an active component into the video chain. I'm sure it is perfectly fine, but it still makes me nervous.
I just ordered a new HDMI cable for my projector. I have an 50ft active cable made by MIT. It was $300+ at the time. Never used it as I never ended up mounting my projector at my old house. Went through a divorce and lost the house. This was 2008 when I bought the cable so who knows what HDMI protocol it is. I did use it the other night to watch a 3D movie and it seemed to work fine but who knows.
I picked up an HDMI 2.0 cable off Amazon for dirt cheap. It is a 25ft cable. I was torn on getting a cable with Redmere but decided not to. It was cheap enough to just try I out. I should have it tomorrow. Not gong Redmere was again, my fear of introducing an active component into the video signal.
My components sit on an open rack so swapping the cables is easy enough so I may just leave it this way for now.
I plan to buy a house soon, finally recovered from the divorce!!!!
So I will have my man cave and actually mount my new projector. I will need a new HDMI for the install as I'm sure I will need a 30ft-50ft cable. I will revisit the Redmere cables at that time.
Thanks for pointing out that splitter. I may still look at that route as I don't think I will be using HDMI2 on the Oppo ever again!!!

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I was looking for a region free modification...
For about a year I've had the imegstore version. I chose to mount externally so it can be easily removed, should the need arise (didn't have to cut anything off of it either); it can also be mounted internally. I don't use it extensively with the 103, usually I just watch region A blu-rays on it, but it has worked when I've had occasion to need/want to switch regions. It seems to be impervious to firmware updates, it's been through several.

A similar piece of hardware, one that also requires the dim dim dim mute sequence to change regions, resides inside my '93, installed by the seller when I bought the '93 new. Again it's worked fine since day one, and seems to be impervious to firmware changes.

So obviously I've gone with the dim dim dim mute versions. They're cheaper, they don't seem to be vulnerable to Oppo firmware updates, at least in my case for my use (I use the 103 primarily for Region A blu-rays and the 93 primarily for Region B blu-rays), and I've never had any problems with them (nor have I ever had to contact anybody for a firmware update to the mod, nor for any other reason for that matter). They've just worked.

Only negative is I find the dim dim dim mute sequence a bit of a pain to do with any frequency, so I do it rarely (though it does seem to get easier with practice, seemingly especially after turning off Auto Resume preference). I've pretty much kept two blu-ray players going in my system since getting the '93, so I haven't had to change either of them over all that often. Plus with dvds, you set that up for region free once, and you're done.
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I had seen that. Just not sure I want to introduce an active component into the video chain. I'm sure it is perfectly fine, but it still makes me nervous.

....My components sit on an open rack so swapping the cables is easy enough, so I may just leave it this way for now.

....Thanks for pointing out that splitter. I may still look at that route as I don't think I will be using HDMI2 on the Oppo ever again!!!
Along with Mongo's suggestion... I've been using this one for almost two years now, to connect two 1080p monitors directly to my 103's HDMI 1 output.

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=4

My connecting cables are only 6' long, so they are non-Redmere... but as far as the splitter itself is concerned, it's worked flawlessly, seamlessly, and invisibly, since day one.
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So it seems like the issue I was having is that the player has trouble with DTS-HD MA 6.1 audio on certain Fox titles. I tried all of the Star Wars films and X-Men: The Last Stand - all of which are discrete 6.1 tracks. On all of the titles, when the player was set to LPCM the sound quality was noticeably diminished in dynamic range and overall quality, like DRC had been turned on. When bitstreaming, nothing was wrong. However, when the player was set to either Bitstream or LPCM the front display would only display DTS-HD and not DTS-HD MA like other titles. I've tried several Fox DTS-HD MA 5.1 titles and hear no sonic difference between Bitstream and LPCM and the front display displays DTS-HD MA. It's only on these 6.1 titles. Also, on other 6.1 titles like Lord of the Rings and A.I. when set to LPCM the player will only send out 5.1, despite it displaying 6.1 when the info or audio buttons are engaged. I realize this might be an issue with it not being discrete 6.1, but if the player is reading and displaying 6.1, then it should be sending 6.1. The receiver receives full 6.1 when the player is set to Bitstream.
The Last Stand on blu ray? Mine is 7.1 DTS HD Master or DD 5.1. Are you talking these movies have DD EX 6.1 or did you mean 7.1?

When I put in The Last Stand, the Oppo and Pioneer AVR both read DTS HD Master, with the AVR showing 7.1. Bitstreaming from the Oppo via HDMI.

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The Last Stand on blu ray? Mine is 7.1 DTS HD Master or DD 5.1. Are you talking these movies have DD EX 6.1 or did you mean 7.1?

When I put in The Last Stand, the Oppo and Pioneer AVR both read DTS HD Master, with the AVR showing 7.1. Bitstreaming from the Oppo via HDMI.

Hi TD, No he was talking about the X-Men movie. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/X-Men-...-Blu-ray/3735/.

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I've been using Redmere cables for almost 2 years now with no problems.
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Out of interest, how many other devices share your Netflix account? And are any of these devices likely to view different content at the same time?
2 tablets, [they only used as remotes for the Chromecast device] and three streaming devices including the 103. As far as different content at the same time. I only have one TV so no there is only one stream being watched at any given times.

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I've been experiencing the same problem with Netflix credentials on the 103... after some period of time I'm prompted to enter my creds again.
Oppo support recommended deactivating Netflix, re-installing the firmware using a flash drive, performing a full factory reset, then starting Netflix again. As before, it worked for a week or so, but two days ago I was prompted to sign in again.
Oppo indicated that I'd need to return the player if the problem persisted, but it seems like a very unusual failure mode; I'm skeptical that a factory memory repair will resolve the problem (and of course I'd be without the player for some time...). Has anyone actually had this problem (or a similar/memory issue) resolved by having Oppo perform factory repairs?
I did read another post that stated it might help to perform the 103 Netflix reset procedures AND deactivate all devices at Netflix; I have yet to try that.
I have the Oppo on my wired network, along with multiple wireless devices (Roku boxes, televisions, Wii U) that are also registered with Netflix; the other devices don't exhibit any Netflix login problems.
Same here, there is no way I would send the player for repair or deactivate my other devices, I simply don't use the 103 for Netflix as much as the result and use my Chromecast instead, it's far more convenient for me and have the same P/AQ as well.

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I have a pair of 75' Redmere cables from equipment room to a JVC RS-57. Working great, but system has only been in service for about 4 months so can't comment on long term.
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So it seems like the issue I was having is that the player has trouble with DTS-HD MA 6.1 audio on certain Fox titles. I tried all of the Star Wars films and X-Men: The Last Stand - all of which are discrete 6.1 tracks. On all of the titles, when the player was set to LPCM the sound quality was noticeably diminished in dynamic range and overall quality, like DRC had been turned on. When bitstreaming, nothing was wrong. However, when the player was set to either Bitstream or LPCM the front display would only display DTS-HD and not DTS-HD MA like other titles. I've tried several Fox DTS-HD MA 5.1 titles and hear no sonic difference between Bitstream and LPCM and the front display displays DTS-HD MA. It's only on these 6.1 titles. Also, on other 6.1 titles like Lord of the Rings and A.I. when set to LPCM the player will only send out 5.1, despite it displaying 6.1 when the info or audio buttons are engaged. I realize this might be an issue with it not being discrete 6.1, but if the player is reading and displaying 6.1, then it should be sending 6.1. The receiver receives full 6.1 when the player is set to Bitstream.
Yikes! I have my 103 set to LPCM since I'm using the analog outputs to my older non-HDMI prepro. It would suck big time if my Star Wars BDs were being compromised sonically! I'll have to check it out, but the only comparison I can make is analog out on the 103 vs bitstream via the coax digital out (lossy).

Can anyone confirm if the analog outputs are affected by this? Btw, I have a 5.1 setup.

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Same here, there is no way I would send the player for repair or deactivate my other devices, I simply don't use the 103 for Netflix as much as the result and use my Chromecast instead, it's far more convenient for me and have the same P/AQ as well.
The Roku/flat panel streaming applications get used for casual viewing, but I use the Oppo for serious viewing since it doesn't cause problems with my display's de-judder processing. HD Netflix titles on the Roku exhibit a funny skip/cadence problem when I have a particular de-judder setting active. Discs, files, and streaming from the 103 are fine though. That's why I prefer using the 103 for Netflix.
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Hi TD, No he was talking about the X-Men movie. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/X-Men-...-Blu-ray/3735/.
Oops, thanks Al. Wonder if he's actually running a centre rear speaker?
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Well bad news, it was not Expandables 3 fault, I listened to a SACD and watched a few other movies, the 103 is pausing every time by itself! Time to give Oppo a call, very disappointing, good thing my Pioneer 09FD is still going strong!
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Oops, thanks Al. Wonder if he's actually running a centre rear speaker?
I'm running 7.2 set up.
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Well bad news, it was not Expandables 3 fault, I listened to a SACD and watched a few other movies, the 103 is pausing every time by itself! Time to give Oppo a call, very disappointing, good thing my Pioneer 09FD is still going strong!
Interested to what Oppo says. Sounds like maybe interference when reading, like lint on the laser where it's happening to all your shiny discs.
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I'm running 7.2 set up.
Me as well. I don't think I own a disc with 6.1, do you have one or more that sounds okay? And how is that rear centre signal sent to the back of your system, is it just split between your two rear speakers?
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Well bad news, it was not Expandables 3 fault, I listened to a SACD and watched a few other movies, the 103 is pausing every time by itself! Time to give Oppo a call, very disappointing, good thing my Pioneer 09FD is still going strong!
Perhaps if you provide some details on how you have your system connected and what brand/model the other components are, you might be able to get some assistance here. What you're describing could be something like HDMI handshake issues or it could be a hardware failure in the Oppo that requires service. Have you updated the Oppo to the latest firmware?
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