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Believe it or not, the culprit can be from your HDMI cable. I once lived with the issue for many months until I discovered this (pictured below) and ultimately cured it.
Noticed the cable on the right (the culprit) had a much shorter connector/contact compared to the one on the left. Due to the flaw, it has been creating all sorts of problems from not recognizing a device from time to time, and above all - dropouts! Switched and replaced with a generic cable provided by my cable company and everything's history.
Check and compare your cables, because not all HDMI cables are the same.

I use both HMDI outputs of my Oppo (105): one goes to the AV-processor, the other one to the tv. Recently I had serious problems with the audio. I did many things, even replaced the HDMI cable from the Oppo to the AV-processor, but it didn't help.
Well at some moment I replaced the HDMI cable from the Oppo to the tv - and it helped: no more audio problems since then.
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Hey guys. I'm considering upgrading to this player from an Oppo 83. There have been some reports that some BD disks like John Wick are experiencing audio dropouts on the 83. I havn't experienced this yet, but it's scaring me away from it. Would the 103 be a major upgrade for me? I don't have a 3d or 4k projector, but I do use CIH. I have a couple of questions..

My receiver does not utilize auddsey settings when playing dts tracks. If I use this oppo to decode and then send to the receiver I could. Does this player handle that ok? My 83 has a ton of audio problems when I try to do this.

Also, does the 103 support itunes files from a usb drive?

Does the 103 support volume control over hdmi?
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^ No volume control over HDMI (except for Mute which works for all audio outputs). Volume control is for the Analog audio outputs only. You'll need to use your HDMI-capable receiver for volume.

See the FAQ (link at the top of the first post of this thread) for info on supported media file formats.

Yes the 103 decodes DTS tracks (including DTS-HD MA from Blu-ray discs) into HDMI LPCM. So does your 83. What problems were you having doing this with your 83?

"John Wick" is a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track (with extra, Atmos, chocolate sprinkles) authored with complex "seamless branching" -- and anti-piracy technique foisted by the studio. The 83 can't handle that for Bitstream output but it CAN handle it if you use HDMI Audio LPCM. I.e., switch to LPCM output and you should not have audio dropouts.

The 103 is quite a bit faster than the 83, has no fan, and supports many more media file formats and methods of streaming, as well as having useful, built-in internet apps such as Netflix, Pandora, and VUDU. You might also want to consider the 103D which adds Darbee video processing and some additional features (see the OPPO Digital web site). The 103 / 103D also have HDMI *INPUTS* so you can pass other HDMI sources through the video processing in the player.

The 103 / 103D provide vertical stretch support for CIH setups.
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I've been using bitstream for years with the Oppo 83. When I set it to lcpm it works about half the time. I get loud obnoxious blips and sounds introduced to the audio. Almost speaker breaking loud noises. I suppose the issue could be with the Marantz receiver, but I somehow doubt it. Marantz is pretty highly regarded. The Oppo 83 I have was a refurbed model so maybe my issue is unique.

I read about the darbee processing. Does it enhance if I am using an older projector that does not do 3d and all that? I have an JVC RS1 that is 1080p. Would I see a difference with it?
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Yes, on the Darbee questions.

You should talk to OPPO about your issue with LPCM output from the 83 and see if they have any history with your model of Marantz AVR. Audio corruption such as you describe is typically a symptom of HDMI handshake failures. This could be as simple as needing to upgrade your HDMI cables.

If you've not already done so, you should also check that your firmware is up to date on your 83. The firmware version number should end "60-1110".
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I took your advice and shot them off an email. We'll see what they say. Thanks.
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Didn't take long to get a response...

Some Dolby Digital TrueHD soundtracks will not work with the BDP-83 as a Bit Stream (will result in dropouts) or LPCM (will result in audio corruptions) due to the lack of Seamless branching support. For these soundtracks where LPCM produces additional errors, you will need to enable Secondary Audio (to force the player to use the Dolby Digital core) or select an alternative soundtrack on the disc.

Maybe I'll pull the trigger on a new. I just dropped 2500 on speakers tho! What an expensive hobby.
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Didn't take long to get a response...

Some Dolby Digital TrueHD soundtracks will not work with the BDP-83 as a Bit Stream (will result in dropouts) or LPCM (will result in audio corruptions) due to the lack of Seamless branching support. For these soundtracks where LPCM produces additional errors, you will need to enable Secondary Audio (to force the player to use the Dolby Digital core) or select an alternative soundtrack on the disc.

Maybe I'll pull the trigger on a new. I just dropped 2500 on speakers tho! What an expensive hobby.
Yeah it is an expensive hobby 'cause I just spent $2k on a new Atmos receiver and some height speakers but I'm loving the better audio to where it feels like I'm watching the movies new for the first time.

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Thanks to everyone's input, but I won't be upgrading to another OPPO player unless they offer me one hell of a deal. We'll see how they respond to my email. I'll drop thousands on a completely new CIH setup before I spend 500 dollars to fix their bluray player that should be working. They are not the only way to achieve what I want.
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^ Which disc is giving you trouble, and have you tried it with LPCM output?

If it is one of the discs *KNOWN* to work with the 83 and LPCM output, then you really need to calm down and take the advice about checking your HDMI setup.
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I'm juggling too many threads on this subject to keep up. Long story short LPCM has never worked on my player and I think it's the reason my beta 50's cracked 2 tweeters! It gives me these loud scratchy popping noises so I've never used it. Infinity replaced the tweeters at no charge to me after owning them 4 1/2 years. To bad OPPO can't fix their ####.

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And no I don't need to calm down. When OPPOs response is use dolby digital or buy a new model, people need to know that before making a purchase!

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Well this will come as quite a surprise to the people who use LPCM from their 83 without these problems.

Aren't you in the least curious as to why you are getting such generic problems with LPCM output? Without some details as to discs there's not much we can do here to help.

Atmos just came out, so your prior problems couldn't have been from Atmos tracks.
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What we need is a trade-in program. ...Trade your older Oppo 83 for a 103, and pay something like $200-300.

Ok, it won't happen I'm sure...I just want you to be happy. Bob mentioned PCM (setting) but you don't like.
* You don't have five hundred bucks to buy a 103? ...Or $200 to buy a Sony BD player?

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ebay would be your best bet to unload. There will always be somebody looking for an Oppo..
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What we need is a trade-in program. ...Trade your older Oppo 83 for a 103, and pay something like $200-300.

Ok, it won't happen I'm sure...I just want you to be happy. Bob mentioned PCM (setting) but you don't like.
* You don't have five hundred bucks to buy a 103? ...Or $200 to buy a Sony BD player?
I have 35,000 dollars sitting in my account that I don't know what to do with right now. It's either a nissan z or a bunch or random crap. I don't know yet. I can assure you this is not about the money right now. It's the freakin principal! I'm very tempted to post a youtube video of one of my guys throwing this thing off of a 500' tower! If AVS could assure me that they won't delete my post I'd love to share it!

Anyways I've said what I wanted to say. Nobody cares. Oppo don't care obviously. Half of you don't care. So I'm done. Thanks for listening.

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I have 35,000 dollars sitting in my account that I don't know what to do with right now. It's either a nissan z or a bunch or random crap. I don't know yet. I can assure you this is not about the money right now. It's the freakin principal! I'm very tempted to post a youtube video of one of my guys throwing this thing off of a 500' tower! If AVS could assure me that they won't delete my post I'd love to share it!

Anyways I've said what I wanted to say. Nobody cares. Oppo don't care obviously. Half of you don't care. So I'm done. Thanks for listening.
Not true man; I care a great deal. I care so much so that I'm willing to buy you a brand new Oppo BD player. ...Would that make you feel better about this world we all live in?
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Haters gotta hate! I've wanted an Oppo player for many years. Now that I finally do have one, the 103, I couldn't be happier. It really has been one the best upgrades I've made to my system. I'm actually shocked at what a difference it has made. I finally pulled the trigger mainly because I wanted one component to be used for all shiny discs. A convenience deal. But both audio and video has improved. The Oppo's fast loading sure is nice.
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* By the way, what is "hate" exactly?
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It doesn't surprise me anymore when every couple of months someone drops by for drive by comments and isn't amenable to getting the help they were asking for in the first place. We really need a designated therapist in this thread for times like these......
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Does $200 an hour sound like reasonable?
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I have 35,000 dollars sitting in my account that I don't know what to do with right now. It's either a nissan z or a bunch or random crap. I don't know yet. I can assure you this is not about the money right now. It's the freakin principal! I'm very tempted to post a youtube video of one of my guys throwing this thing off of a 500' tower! If AVS could assure me that they won't delete my post I'd love to share it!

Anyways I've said what I wanted to say. Nobody cares. Oppo don't care obviously. Half of you don't care. So I'm done. Thanks for listening.

What would help us more than your guys or the amount of money you have in your account is you giving us a basic idea of the hardware you're using in your chain including any discs and how they're all connected. We can go from there.

Short of that there isn't much we can do for you at this point. Should you decide to go it your way, I suggest that you find a 'healthier way' of getting rid of your player because if you really drop it from a 500 foot tower, 35k won't be enough to get you out of a serious criminal charge depending on who/ what it lands on. The irony is even after all this the player might still continue to function as we all know that "Oppos are built to last."
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Nobody cares. Oppo don't care obviously. Half of you don't care. So I'm done. Thanks for listening.
I think most of us do care, but what do you realistically want us to do for you? Does it suck that the BDP-83 has hardware limitations with Dolby True HD 7.1 combined with complex seamless branching that can't be resolved with a firmware update? Sure it does. It also can't be upgraded to support 3D playback. And guess what? Neither of those things were on the radar at the time the player was designed and built. The fact that some other players from the same period aren't having issues with the Dolby True HD 7.1 tracks with complex seamless branching is more a matter of luck than anything else as there's no way a manufacturer could have reasonably planned for or tested this at the time they designed their products. If you want to continue to rant about it, please do so in the BDP-83 thread as it's off topic in this thread.

Complaints really ought to be directed at the studios for constantly trying new tricks that only make things difficult for legitimate buyers and the standards committees that seem to be unable to define a proper specification that manufacturers can design against (which would minimize the need for firmware updates to address all these disc compatibility issues that are an ongoing problem with nearly every player).

If you want to throw your player from the roof of a tall building and destroy it, nobody is going to stop you, but there are more constructive ways to move on, one of which has already been suggested (sell it on eBay).
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What I take into account when buying an Oppo or anything else is not only the product itself but more importantly, the technical support that you get with it. Oppo has one of the best technical support staff of any consumer electronic company that I've ever had to call. This alone is worth the extra cost for the Oppo IMO.
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What does this mean? From Oppo:

"The newer players will be more compatible than the BDP-83, but the downside is that the newer players will not be able to zoom BD-JAVA if there is a Picture in Picture program on the disc. The BDP-83 bypassed this since the ABT VRS is doing all zooming, while the newer players are using the decoder for zooming, so it has to abide by the specifications on the disc to not allow for zooming if the disc is programmed to prevent it."

Vertical stretch doesn't always work on this player? Is this true? I was about to give in and order one but that would be an absolute deal breaker.

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What does this mean? From Oppo:

"The newer players will be more compatible than the BDP-83, but the downside is that the newer players will not be able to zoom BD-JAVA if there is a Picture in Picture program on the disc. The BDP-83 bypassed this since the ABT VRS is doing all zooming, while the newer players are using the decoder for zooming, so it has to abide by the specifications on the disc to not allow for zooming if the disc is programmed to prevent it."

Vertical stretch doesn't always work on this player? Is this true? I was about to give in and order one but that would be an absolute deal breaker.
They are saying you cannot zoom BR discs with Bonus View Picture-in-Picture content. Your disc covers should describe whether the feature is present.

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What does this mean? From Oppo:

"The newer players will be more compatible than the BDP-83, but the downside is that the newer players will not be able to zoom BD-JAVA if there is a Picture in Picture program on the disc. The BDP-83 bypassed this since the ABT VRS is doing all zooming, while the newer players are using the decoder for zooming, so it has to abide by the specifications on the disc to not allow for zooming if the disc is programmed to prevent it."

Vertical stretch doesn't always work on this player? Is this true? I was about to give in and order one but that would be an absolute deal breaker.
Correct. Have you considered using an external scaler, such as a Lumagen, that supports CIH? Combine that with a player that supports source direct video output and it may provide you with a solution that works.
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Ok. So obviously I'm retarded but what is Bonus View Picture in Picture? Is this a special feature or an extra deal? Here's a random question. If I buy 100 random blurays how many of them likely won't stretch when I watch the movie?

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