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Question regarding the OPPO BDP-103's settings, specifically, Crossover. My OPPO utilizes the analog outs for two-channel audio. I listen with Polk Audio LSi15 speakers, which have an overall frequency response of 22Hz-27kHz, and -3dB limits of 32Hz-26kHz. The speaker's crossover frequencies are 150Hz, 800Hz, and 2.4kHz. Crossover slope for the woofer is 2nd Order LP, drivers are 1st Order HP and 2nd Order LP cascaded, and tweeter is 3rd Order HP. (All that means "not a darn thing" to me lol. All I know is, they all sound really good together. )


So...my question is...is there an "optimal" setting for the OPPO's Crossover, using these particular Polk Audio speakers? Should Crossover be left at the default--80Hz? The options Setup gives me are: 40-160Hz (in steps of 10Hz), 200Hz, and 250Hz.


I don't know which one's "best"...or even if there is a "best" OPPO crossover frequency for the capabilities of my speakers. As I said, the default sounds great; I just don't know if it's "best." Could I be "missing out" on some of the music? (Yes, dumb question...but I just don't understand why there are so many choices for the Crossover setting!)

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Can you get 1080p/24 via Netflix on the Oppo 103? If so, how?
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So...my question is...is there an "optimal" setting for the OPPO's Crossover, using these particular Polk Audio speakers? Should Crossover be left at the default--80Hz? The options Setup gives me are: 40-160Hz (in steps of 10Hz), 200Hz, and 250Hz.


I don't know which one's "best"...or even if there is a "best" OPPO crossover frequency for the capabilities of my speakers. As I said, the default sounds great; I just don't know if it's "best." Could I be "missing out" on some of the music? (Yes, dumb question...but I just don't understand why there are so many choices for the Crossover setting!)
The "best" crossover for your setup is "no" crossover. You have full range speakers, and should be setting your speakers to "Large" in your Oppo's speaker configuration menu. When set to "large", the crossover has no effect.
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80sGuy, thanks again. You know, it occurred to me...we're talking about audio dropouts while using the ANALOG outputs, not the HDMI. As far as ANALOG goes (that's what I use for two-channel stereo), I have AudioQuest Diamondback cables from the OPPO to the L/R inputs of my Carver receiver (I use it as a preamp). Those connections are very snug, no play at all.

My memory's bad; but someone suggested the dropouts were probably caused by something in the OPPO-to-Sony HDTV interface, which does connect by HDMI.

They suggested I either (1) turn the TV on while listening to two-channel music (so the OPPO/Sony could "communicate" with each other), or (2) unplug the HDMI (so the OPPO doesn't "look" for the Sony, and/or vice versa). Unfortunately, I still get dropouts either way. Turning the TV on--just so I can listen to music on my stereo without dropouts--seemed rather unrealistic. Likewise, unplugging the HDMI cable--for the same reason--seemed just as bothersome. Anyway, the dropouts don't last more than 2-3 seconds and are not frequent. Thanks!

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If that's the case, carefully inspect the cable ends and make sure they are tightly connected, push them in as far as possible. The thing with HDMI connectors is that every tiny bit of off-line and wiggle play can cause the tiny pins to offset, thus causing dropouts and such. If you have to slide your equipment in and out for inspection, make sure they stay tightly connected when sliding back in.

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Hi DanF8500. Thanks! Just re-read your post and saw that it says Large disables Crossover. They were already set to Large, so I won't fiddle with any more settings in the Crossover. Thanks again!

PS No wonder they sounded great already... LOL

I now see in the Manual where it says, "When all speaker sizes are set to Large, there is no Bass Management." And yet, I'm still able to enter the Crossover settings and change the frequencies. It might have been beneficial for OPPO to disable that capability, if Large speaker size was selected. Anyway, thank you for your answer!

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The "best" crossover for your setup is "no" crossover. You have full range speakers, and should be setting your speakers to "Large" in your Oppo's speaker configuration menu. When set to "large", the crossover has no effect.

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Can you get 1080p/24 via Netflix on the Oppo 103? If so, how?
No. The native apps in the Oppo don't support 1080p/24 output. I believe a Roku does support the above res/frame rate, and the Oppo's hdmi inputs will pass that thru fine.
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Can you get 1080p/24 via Netflix on the Oppo 103? If so, how?
Sadly no... All USA Netflix content is output at 60Hz.

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Is anyone using the Roku stick sold by Oppo? If so, I was wondering if adding a right angle adapter or any other HDMI adapter/cable would have an effect on the MHL powering the stick.
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Questions about Roku

I've got an Amazon Prime membership so I am wondering if it is worth it to pick up a Roku stick to watch Instant Video thru my 103. For those of you on this thread that use the Roku, are you satisfied with PQ and audio? Are there any cons or limitations that I should know about?

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Thanks Mongo. I just ordered the stick but did not want it sticking out the front. I also ordered a right angle adapter but may get a short HDMI cable to move it away from the front completely.
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Thanks Mongo. I just ordered the stick but did not want it sticking out the front. I also ordered a right angle adapter but may get a short HDMI cable to move it away from the front completely.
Did you make sure you got the correct angle bend? There is either 90* or 270*.

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Did you make sure you got the correct angle bend? There is either 90* or 270*.
LOL, I came sooo close to ordering a 90 degree which would have the stick blocking the USB port. Ordered the 270 degree instead.

I'm now thinking of getting an HDMI extension cable that would move the stick away from the front completely.
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I've got an Amazon Prime membership so I am wondering if it is worth it to pick up a Roku stick to watch Instant Video thru my 103. For those of you on this thread that use the Roku, are you satisfied with PQ and audio? Are there any cons or limitations that I should know about?

Thx in advance for your input...
The FireTV Stick is a much better device and can be plugged into any HDMI port. The trade-off is that you need to use the FireTV remote. I have my FireTV stick plugged into my AVR and almost never use my Roku Stick any more.
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The FireTV Stick is a much better device and can be plugged into any HDMI port. The trade-off is that you need to use the FireTV remote. I have my FireTV stick plugged into my AVR and almost never use my Roku Stick any more.
It's a better device only if you want to limit yourself to the few services it offers. For people who want other options the Roku stick (or other Roku device) may still be a better choice. It depends on what your needs are.

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Question regarding the OPPO BDP-103's settings, specifically, Crossover. My OPPO utilizes the analog outs for two-channel audio. I listen with Polk Audio LSi15 speakers, which have an overall frequency response of 22Hz-27kHz, and -3dB limits of 32Hz-26kHz. The speaker's crossover frequencies are 150Hz, 800Hz, and 2.4kHz. Crossover slope for the woofer is 2nd Order LP, drivers are 1st Order HP and 2nd Order LP cascaded, and tweeter is 3rd Order HP. (All that means "not a darn thing" to me lol. All I know is, they all sound really good together. )


So...my question is...is there an "optimal" setting for the OPPO's Crossover, using these particular Polk Audio speakers? Should Crossover be left at the default--80Hz? The options Setup gives me are: 40-160Hz (in steps of 10Hz), 200Hz, and 250Hz.


I don't know which one's "best"...or even if there is a "best" OPPO crossover frequency for the capabilities of my speakers. As I said, the default sounds great; I just don't know if it's "best." Could I be "missing out" on some of the music? (Yes, dumb question...but I just don't understand why there are so many choices for the Crossover setting!)
You didn't mention whether you have a Subwoofer in your system. If you DON'T, then of course the correct solution is to set Left Front / Right Front to LARGE in the OPPO -- which will disable Crossover processing for them and tell the OPPO to send the entire frequency range to Left Front / Right Front.

If you DO have a Subwoofer connected to the Sub Analog output jack of your 103, then I would suggest you set Left Front / Right Front to SMALL and experiment with Crossover settings of 70Hz, 80Hz, and 90Hz, to see if you can hear a reason to prefer one of those. If you can't hear a reason, 80Hz is a good "one size fits all" choice. (Technically the "reason" here would be how the different Crossover frequencies interact with the "bass response" of your room -- the increase or decrease of bass at different frequencies due to the geometry of your room, position of the speakers, reflection or absorption of bass at the walls, floors, ceiling, and etc.)

The Rule of Thumb is to find the -3dB lower frequency for your speakers and set the Crossover to no lower than TWICE that. In your case, that's 32Hz, and twice that is 64Hz, so 70Hz is the lowest Crossover you should try under the Rule of Thumb. The reason is that the Crossover rolls into effect over a span of about 1 octave (factor of 2 in frequency). So a 70Hz Crossover, for example, would still be sending important amounts of audio to your speakers down to about 35Hz. So you want to select a Crossover which allows the speakers to produce quality audio down through that octave below the Crossover. Meanwhile the Sub is getting all that bass steered via the Crossover, and it is the COMBO of the Sub output and the output of your speakers which determines the bass through that octave (70 Hz down to 35Hz in this example). Below 35Hz the bass getting to the main speakers is attenuated sufficiently that it doesn't really matter if the main speakers are not capable of reproducing it well. Down that low the SUB is doing all the work.

The recommended UPPER limit of 90Hz actually comes from three things. First of all, if the Crossover is sending steered bass up that high in frequency to the Sub, the Sub has to be able to reproduce it. Many Subs naturally roll off above 80Hz. By the way, the Subwoofer may have ITS OWN built-in Crossover, and if so, you want to DISABLE that Crossover (a setting on the Sub itself), or set it to the highest possible frequency choice to get it out of the way as much as possible -- so the high bass output of the Subwoofer is not artificially reduced. You can do this because the OPPO is handling the Crossover processing, so the Sub's Crossover is not also needed.

Second of all, male voices go down to around 100Hz, and if you set the Crossover higher that means some of that will go to the Sub, which is generally not as well suited to reproduce those.

Third of all, the higher the bass frequencies you send to the Sub, the more your ears can pick up that the sound is coming FROM the location of the Subwoofer. I.e., you can locate the sound "in the Subwoofer". Lower bass frequencies are not "localizable" (unless you have the Sub positioned too close to your seating). Lower bass works by "pressurizing" the entire volume of air in the room, setting up "standing waves", and so it appears to come "from all around you". The problem with sending localizable, higher bass frequencies to the Sub is that it screws up stereo imaging. I.e. the sound is coming from the wrong location.

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I've got an Amazon Prime membership so I am wondering if it is worth it to pick up a Roku stick to watch Instant Video thru my 103. For those of you on this thread that use the Roku, are you satisfied with PQ and audio? Are there any cons or limitations that I should know about?

Thx in advance for your input...
Haven't used the stick, but I have a Roku 2 XS, and I am very satisfied with the picture and sound quality. I think most people find that all of the recent Roku devices are identical in output--it's the features and processor speed (for the interface, not for the streaming video) that differs from one model to the next. The best audio you can get is Dolby Digital Plus (when the source material is arriving in that format).

I don't have my Roku connected to the 103, but there is no reason not to--all current Rokus except the cheapest one have HDMI outputs.

My only gripe with the Roku is actually with Amazon Instant Video--I think their server capacity must be terrible. Sometimes in prime time hours you get the blurriest, lo-rez image (HD won't load), and sometimes nothing at all. I don't believe this is due to low bandwidth on my internet connection or "throttling" by the ISP, since I have no trouble getting Vudu or Netflix at 1080p during those times of day.

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Can the 10x series "Diagnostic Video Output" jack be used to browse to the Network icon and its attached file servers to select albums and tracks, and to see the embedded tags, including album cover graphic, while a track is playing?


I know that works on the 93, because I've been doing it for years. My question is whether it still works on the 10x series or has been disabled, which has always seemed to me to be the implication of renaming that jack as a troubleshooting output only.

So, for the last time before I go into my theater, lock the door, and scream that everyone is so encased in their own little worlds that they can't even hear my question:

Has anybody here ever tried to use their 10x's Diagnostic Video Output to browse their Network file servers and choose tracks? If it lets you do that, does it show you the same screen with the title, running time progress bar, album cover thumbnail, etc. while the track is playing, that you'd see through a display attached to an HDMI jack?
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I've not actually tried this, but I suspect you WILL be able to view the stuff shown in the OPPO media files browser. However you may not be able to view the Now Playing screen when playing a music file. And the Diagnostic Video output will be muted to black when playing a video file. It depends on just how stubborn BDA was in preventing any sort of "content" info from going out on that jack.
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Hey guys.

I'm trying to send 4k from my Oppo 103 to my Vizio P series. It doesn't work. When I set it to auto it just says 1080p. When I try to force 4k...the screen goes blank.

Anyone know how to make this work?
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Hey guys.

I'm trying to send 4k from my Oppo 103 to my Vizio P series. It doesn't work. When I set it to auto it just says 1080p. When I try to force 4k...the screen goes blank.

Anyone know how to make this work?
Many of the current 4K displays only have 1 HDMI input that will accept 4K (some have none that will accept 4K and just scale all inputs to 4K), so make sure you're connecting HDMI1 out from the Oppo to an appropriate input on your display. HDMI2 out from the Oppo can't do 4K.
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Many of the current 4K displays only have 1 HDMI input that will accept 4K (some have none that will accept 4K and just scale all inputs to 4K), so make sure you're connecting HDMI1 out from the Oppo to an appropriate input on your display. HDMI2 out from the Oppo can't do 4K.
Yea. I am going from the HDMI 1 on the Oppo to HDMI 5 on the P series and I still max out at 1080p.

Not sure the issue.
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^ Are you playing a Blu-ray movie? The Home Menu on the player will still be 1080p, since it is 1080p/60 and the 103 can not output 4K/60.

Set 4K Output AUTO and play a Blu-ray movie and you should get 4K/24.
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^ Are you playing a Blu-ray movie? The Home Menu on the player will still be 1080p, since it is 1080p/60 and the 103 can not output 4K/60.

Set 4K Output AUTO and play a Blu-ray movie and you should get 4K/24.
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Not getting it on any HDMI when set to Auto...and when I try to force...the screen goes blank.
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I'm not sure when it started, but Youtube on the 103 is intermittently broken now. Half the time I try and launch it the screen goes black and nothing happens. When I press home it goes into the "browser is exiting, please wait..." spinning egg-timer screen, which seems to hang indefinitely. If I then press standby, the unit will switch off after a substantial delay. The same thing can happen whether I'm launching Youtube from the home screen, or casting from a phone. Does anyone else get this?
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I'm not sure when it started, but Youtube on the 103 is intermittently broken now. Half the time I try and launch it the screen goes black and nothing happens. When I press home it goes into the "browser is exiting, please wait..." spinning egg-timer screen, which seems to hang indefinitely. If I then press standby, the unit will switch off after a substantial delay. The same thing can happen whether I'm launching Youtube from the home screen, or casting from a phone. Does anyone else get this?
First thing I would try is making sure the player is in Energy Efficient mode and not Quick Start,
power off the player, then unplug the player and let it sit over night.
If that doesn't help, you could try saving your settings, reset the player settings back to factory default,
power cycle the player, then re-enter your personalized settings.
Also try shutting off all your internet connected devices in the house and then power cycle the router/modem,
then go back to the player and see if it triggered a change.
Sometimes things can just get convoluted when it comes to communication between player,
router, modem, phones, tablets, PCs, ISPs, etc... etc... etc...
FWIW, I just tried YT on my BDP-105 and it took about 10 seconds or so to initialize and then all good.

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I've got an Amazon Prime membership so I am wondering if it is worth it to pick up a Roku stick to watch Instant Video thru my 103. For those of you on this thread that use the Roku, are you satisfied with PQ and audio? Are there any cons or limitations that I should know about?

Thx in advance for your input...
I've got the Roku stick.....the only drawback is that it is only a Wi-Fi connection; My Oppo is hardwired to my network so the streaming is much better with native Apps in the BDP-103......

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I've got the Roku stick.....the only drawback is that it is only a Wi-Fi connection; My Oppo is hardwired to my network so the streaming is much better with native Apps in the BDP-103......
There are other Roku models that accept an ethernet connection. The company's website has a nice chart showing the features of all current models.

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Bob Pariseau, thanks, the technical explanations I get on AVS Forum are informative and interesting. In my apartment, I find I don't especially need a subwoofer. I rarely get an opportunity to turn the volume up past 9 o'clock or so anyway. I feel I get all the low end I need--usually more than my downstairs neighbor can tolerate--by enabling my Carver receiver's Sonic Holography circuit. Thanks again for the technical explanation, it is a good education for me!

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You didn't mention whether you have a Subwoofer in your system. If you DON'T, then of course the correct solution is to set Left Front / Right Front to LARGE in the OPPO -- which will disable Crossover processing for them and tell the OPPO to send the entire frequency range to Left Front / Right Front.

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There are other Roku models that accept an ethernet connection. The company's website has a nice chart showing the features of all current models.
I am well aware of that; but he was specifically talking about a Roku stick....I bought one from Oppo when I purchased my unit; as I said, the native Netflix app works better at streaming (thru my hard-wire network) then a stick (wi-fied)......

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looks nice!

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Not to impugn your idea of choice, but how gadget-inclined is your elderly mother? If she prefers simplicity for only listing to music CDs, then something like this would be more suitable instead of having to tinker with an amp/receiver, then the Oppo. But hey if she insists, then connecting the two FR/FL RCA analog stereo out and enjoy. Sounds great!
http://www.amazon.com/GPX-HC221B-Com...4897292&sr=1-2
I just checked out your recommendation. for $30 the sound must be phenomenal. I'm going to purchase this right now. thanks man.
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