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My opinion: yes.

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Cool. So my existing 93 coupled with a 103D should provide me all the scenarios with respect to video processing.


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Cool. So my existing 93 coupled with a 103D should provide me all the scenarios with respect to video processing.
I just re-read the conversation between you and Bill, and it seemed as if you were already set on purchasing the 103D regardless of what Bill said... Good luck!!
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I just re-read the conversation between you and Bill, and it seemed as if you were already set on purchasing the 103D regardless of what Bill said... Good luck!!
Not at all (honestly). It does seem, based on what he described, that it's more than just the 103 with Darbee added. I was just trying to make sure I wouldn't be missing anything by not getting the 103.

But I also thought about it, and having the flexibility of routing other sources into the 103D and allowing them to benefit from Darbee processing is something I'd like to be able to have. I may not always have the 103D in the same room as my projector setup (where my Darbee is now).


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Quick question for all the experts out there:

I have a standalone Darbee unit currently, and a BDP-93. Looking to move up to a 103. Does it make sense to get the 103D since I already have a Darbee?
Not IMO. The Darblet will improve all your sources if placed between the AVR and the display - the 103D will only improve the 103D.

Even if you recoup the difference in price between the 103 and 103D by selling your Darblet, it still doesn't make sense to me. I went through the same process and bought the 103. But good luck with the 103D - it's a superb player (as is the 103).
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Not IMO. The Darblet will improve all your sources if placed between the AVR and the display - the 103D will only improve the 103D.

Even if you recoup the difference in price between the 103 and 103D by selling your Darblet, it still doesn't make sense to me. I went through the same process and bought the 103. But good luck with the 103D - it's a superb player (as is the 103).
Yeah, but the Darblet aspect of the 103D will also improve any sources that are routed through the HDMI IN on the 103D, right?


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Yeah, but the Darblet aspect of the 103D will also improve any sources that are routed through the HDMI IN on the 103D, right?
True - but it's limited to two. If you only have two sources and want to run them both via the 103D that is a good solution though. But no real advantage over using the Darblet. My take on it was that as I already had a Darblet, there was no point spending extra coin on the 103D. Just my 2 cents though.

I have 3 disc players, a media player and a satellite TV box all connected to my AVR and using the Darblet means they all get a Darbletised signal.

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BDP-103 vs BDP-103D


The BDP-103D subtracts:

~the Marvell Qdeo video processor


...and adds:

~the Silicon Image VRS ClearView video processor.
(the VRS chip allows for an arguably better picture presentation do to some ever so slight undefeatable DNR in the QDEO chip.)

~the Darbee Visual Presence video processor.
(plus any video routed through the player's 2 HDMI inputs can also take advantage of the Darbee processor)

~the ability to send DSD over HDMI on the HDMI-1 output.
(this is only possible on the HDMI-2 output of the BDP-103)

~the ability to output 4K/50 and 4K/60 in YCbCr 4:2:0 data format on the HDMI-1 output.

~a slightly different remote with a dedicated Darbee button.

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Has anyone ever checked with Oppo about offering the ability to crop the top and bottom of an image? Essentially this would be the solution for CIH zoom method users who have trouble viewing movies with shifting aspect ratios.
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Has anyone ever checked with Oppo about offering the ability to crop the top and bottom of an image? Essentially this would be the solution for CIH zoom method users who have trouble viewing movies with shifting aspect ratios.
Just so I am understanding what you are saying...
In some movies, there are multiple aspect ratios where the image will shift between 16:9 and 21:9.
So I am assuming that you are using a Cinemascope screen setup at or around the 21:9 aspect ratio.
AND... you want to fill the screen when the film has the 21:9 ratio.
However, when the 16:9 ratio kicks in, you are then pushing an image far above and below
the top of your screen to the point that it overshoots the masking.
SO... you want the option to "mask" the top and bottom of the video with black bars so that it crops the 16:9 portions down to 21:9.
This way you don't get the large over-projection of said 16:9 image, but instead,
that over-projection would be black bars that are masking the top and bottom of the video.

Is that correct? If so it's an interesting concept.
Do you know of any other players or processors that can do such a thing?

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Has anyone ever checked with Oppo about offering the ability to crop the top and bottom of an image? Essentially this would be the solution for CIH zoom method users who have trouble viewing movies with shifting aspect ratios.
Just so I am understanding what you are saying...
In some movies, there are multiple aspect ratios where the image will shift between 16:9 and 21:9.
So I am assuming that you are using a Cinemascope screen setup at or around the 21:9 aspect ratio.
AND... you want to fill the screen when the film has the 21:9 ratio.
However, when the 16:9 ratio kicks in, you are then pushing an image far above and below
the top of your screen to the point that it overshoots the masking.
SO... you want the option to "mask" the top and bottom of the video with black bars so that it crops the 16:9 portions down to 21:9.
This way you don't get the large over-projection of said 16:9 image, but instead,
that over-projection would be black bars that are masking the top and bottom of the video.

Is that correct? If so it's an interesting concept.
Do you know of any other players or processors that can do such a thing?

Yes you got it. FWIW this is what I just got back from Oppo (they were super quick with the reply)...


"The ability to zoom and crop is something that we are working on, but depending on the disc authoring, we may not be able to zoom the image due to UPOs.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc. "
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Yes you got it. FWIW this is what I just got back from Oppo (they were super quick with the reply)...


"The ability to zoom and crop is something that we are working on, but depending on the disc authoring, we may not be able to zoom the image due to UPOs.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc. "
I am starting to look into something similar - but rather than mask the top and bottom of the 16:9 image (and often lose the menu items on a BRD menu) I am hoping to re-scale the 16:9 image on the fly to the height of my screen rather than having to zoom the projector in and out to accomplish the same thing.


It is my understanding that my Lumagen 2041 video processor has that capability and will detect the aspect change and do it on the fly - but I don't have it in my chain yet and haven't had a chance to try it out.


Be sure and post back if it turns out the Oppo will also do that as its good to have options.


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Im looking to pick up an oppo, im not a video techie, is the extra $100 for the 103d worth it
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Have you read about Darbee processing, or seen any examples? That's the primary difference.

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yes, I wasn't sure how much better it is than the Marvell's Qdeo processor, the examples and video clips they have for the darbbe and the qdeo appear to be the same look as seen on my laptop. don't mind spending an extra $100 if the upgrade is there
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yes, I wasn't sure how much better it is than the Marvell's Qdeo processor, the examples and video clips they have for the darbbe and the qdeo appear to be the same look as seen on my laptop. don't mind spending an extra $100 if the upgrade is there
It's a subtle effect when used properly. No one can say whether it would be worth it to you or not.

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It's a subtle effect when used properly. No one can say whether it would be worth it to you or not.

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That's true because it was not worth it for me so I returned it.

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True - but it's limited to two. If you only have two sources and want to run them both via the 103D that is a good solution though. But no real advantage over using the Darblet. My take on it was that as I already had a Darblet, there was no point spending extra coin on the 103D. Just my 2 cents though.
I have 3 disc players, a media player and a satellite TV box all connected to my AVR and using the Darblet means they all get a Darbletised signal.
Three sources enhanced by the Darbee video processor of the 103D is better than only one. ...For most folks that is plenty.
And if you have more ...

♦ Question: What if you connect the HDMI output of your AV receiver (or SSP) to one of the HDMI inputs of the Oppo 103D?
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♦ Question: What if you connect the HDMI output of your AV receiver (or SSP) to one of the HDMI inputs of the Oppo 103D?
This has been discussed numerous times in the 103D thread... The potential problem with doing this is getting audio from the 103D into the receiver because connecting the 103D's HDMI2 output to the receiver and the receiver's HDMI output to one of the inputs on the Oppo can create a loop that will cause HDMI handshake issues. It depends on if the AVR keeps all HDMI inputs active or just the one that's currently selected. There are potential ways to get around the problem, but they make for a much more complicated system.
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This has been discussed numerous times in the 103D thread... The potential problem with doing this is getting audio from the 103D into the receiver because connecting the 103D's HDMI2 output to the receiver and the receiver's HDMI output to one of the inputs on the Oppo can create a loop that will cause HDMI handshake issues. It depends on if the AVR keeps all HDMI inputs active or just the one that's currently selected. There are potential ways to get around the problem, but they make for a much more complicated system.
Thx. ...So it is up to experimentation in each individual's own system setup with his own gear.
I thought of that and that's why I just asked.

Also, I didn't read it in the past here or anywhere else; I just cannot read all the threads, it is simply impossible.
And I know that I am not alone in that position. ...But thank you for your patience and in providing the answer.

* It is still awesome that you can use the Darbee video processing from both 103D's HDMI inputs; that makes three sources all together that can benefit from the enhancement, including the 103D's own disc transport of course.
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* It is still awesome that you can use the Darbee video processing from both 103D's HDMI inputs; that makes three sources all together that can benefit from the enhancement, including the 103D's own disc transport of course.
Movies stored on USB hard/thumb drives in addition to movies streamed via network (SMB or DLNA) can also have Darbee processing applied by the 103D.

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Movies stored on USB hard/thumb drives in addition to movies streamed via network (SMB or DLNA) can also have Darbee processing applied by the 103.
Wow, even better. ...With three USB ports. ...And streaming too!
It's like having a video preamp processor for multiple sources and formats. ...And not counting the audio side.

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Yes you got it. FWIW this is what I just got back from Oppo (they were super quick with the reply)...


"The ability to zoom and crop is something that we are working on, but depending on the disc authoring, we may not be able to zoom the image due to UPOs.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc. "
Oh great question, I really hope that they do this. The Batman movies is a bitch with CIH 2.35.
I'm skipping Interstellar all together for now
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This has been discussed numerous times in the 103D thread... The potential problem with doing this is getting audio from the 103D into the receiver because connecting the 103D's HDMI2 output to the receiver and the receiver's HDMI output to one of the inputs on the Oppo can create a loop that will cause HDMI handshake issues. It depends on if the AVR keeps all HDMI inputs active or just the one that's currently selected. There are potential ways to get around the problem, but they make for a much more complicated system.
That makes me ponder if the Darblet is the better way to go to avoid that since that was my plan, slightly OT but can anyone comment on this below compared to DVP5000


http://www.darbeevision.com/products/dvp-5100cie
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I'm very much a newbie at this, but I wanted to try downloading and playing some DSD audio files. I have an Oppo 103, a Marantz SR. 7008, and a windows 7 PC. My thought was that I could download these files to my PC from a site like Acoustic Sounds, the navigate to them with the Oppo Media app and play them.

My problem is that the only directory structure I can see with the Oppo app looks to be the folders within Windows Media Player. I cannot seem to find this folder structure on my PC, though.

So, when I download theses DSD files, where do I download them to so that I can see them with the Oppo app?

I guess I wonder if I have all the pieces needs to do this...

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I'm very much a newbie at this, but I wanted to try downloading and playing some DSD audio files. I have an Oppo 103, a Marantz SR. 7008, and a windows 7 PC. My thought was that I could download these files to my PC from a site like Acoustic Sounds, the navigate to them with the Oppo Media app and play them.

My problem is that the only directory structure I can see with the Oppo app looks to be the folders within Windows Media Player. I cannot seem to find this folder structure on my PC, though.

So, when I download theses DSD files, where do I download them to so that I can see them with the Oppo app?

I guess I wonder if I have all the pieces needs to do this...

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You need either a dedicated DNLA server running on the PC, or the target files/folders must be shared as in SMB.
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You need either a dedicated DNLA server running on the PC, or the target files/folders must be shared as in SMB.

Thanks ver much for the reply.

So, I guess it's not as simple as downloading the files, telling Windows Media Player to 'find' them, they show up in the Windows Media Player directory structure, and I play them with the Oppo?

Isn't Windows Media Player a DNLA? Like I said, I'm a bit new at this...sorry. Also, what does SMB stand for? Thanks!


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WMP is, but its a very bad one. SMB stands for network file sharing.

If you want a simple and easy DNLA server, try oShare .
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WMP is, but its a very bad one. SMB stands for network file sharing.

If you want a simple and easy DNLA server, try oShare .
Okay - I have been poking around with Google on this...now I am really dangerous ...

I found a post where someone indicated that they have been streaming DSD files with Twonky to their Oppo. Does oShare handle DSD and FLAC file streaming natively? I guess that's my whole point in doing this...

I have found a post where someone indicated that they used Twonky to stream DSD to our Oppo. When I looked at the Twonky site, it indicates that it supports these formats:

Music: MP3, WMA, WAV, 3GP, M4A, MP4, LPCM, Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, MP2, AC3, MPA, MP1, AIF, MID, ISMA

Guess I am just trying the path of least resistance to easily streaming high rez files to the Oppo..

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Then oShare is your best first step. It does nothing but serve files, all files. No setup or config to mess with, just add files to the library.

There are other DNLA server software options that offer a wealth of other functions like playlists, sorting, transcoding and more. But for a newbie or someone who just wants the files served up, simple is better.
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Regarding color space issues and handshaking.
My JVC RS 25 projector can take 4:2:2, 4:4:4 or RGB video input. I've run some tests using the Spears and Munsil Benchmark disc and setting the Oppo to output RGB provided the best results from the Color space tests.


Is anyone else using RGB for the entire path from player to display?

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