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I use HDMI 1 but lately every 2 or 3 days, the 103 turns on with this pink/purple tint on the screen and it only gets corrected by unplugging the unit and then plugging it back. It's happening so often now that I wonder if it's going bad. Should I call technical support?
That's a handshake failure with the TV, caused by the TV expecting RGB color space and getting YCbCr. Nothing wrong with the Oppo, but you can take steps to sort it out. Set the Oppo to output an explicit color space instead of "auto". All else fails, try a different HDMI cable.
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I use HDMI 1 but lately every 2 or 3 days, the 103 turns on with this pink/purple tint on the screen and it only gets corrected by unplugging the unit and then plugging it back. It's happening so often now that I wonder if it's going bad. Should I call technical support?
Check your HDMI cable first. ...By disconnecting it @ both ends and reconnecting it. ...If the issue persists, try another cable.

EDIT: I just read the above post.

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I use HDMI 1 but lately every 2 or 3 days, the 103 turns on with this pink/purple tint on the screen and it only gets corrected by unplugging the unit and then plugging it back. It's happening so often now that I wonder if it's going bad. Should I call technical support?
Sometimes you can fix this by altering the startup order of the various devices. I do display first, player last, but other ordering might work better for you.

As said: don't use AUTO color space.

You can force a new handshake without powering off. Try switching Resolution to some other values and back again, or switch the input on the display away from the player and back.

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That's a handshake failure with the TV, caused by the TV expecting RGB color space and getting YCbCr. Nothing wrong with the Oppo, but you can take steps to sort it out. Set the Oppo to output an explicit color space instead of "auto". All else fails, try a different HDMI cable.
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Sometimes you can fix this by altering the startup order of the various devices. I do display first, player last, but other ordering might work better for you.

As said: don't use AUTO color space.

You can force a new handshake without powering off. Try switching Resolution to some other values and back again, or switch the input on the display away from the player and back.

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Thanks for all the responses! I will change the color space tonight when I put on a movie. I will also check the Harmony remote as I'm sure there is a way to change the order but I haven't done that in years.

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Thanks for all the responses! I will change the color space tonight when I put on a movie. I will also check the Harmony remote as I'm sure there is a way to change the order but I haven't done that in years.
If it was previously working fine, and nothing else has changed then the power-on sequence probably isn't relevant.
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If it was previously working fine, and nothing else has changed then the power-on sequence probably isn't relevant.
I changed the color space from "Auto" to "YCbCr" on HDMI 1 since that's the only one I use. I'm assuming it doesn't matter which one I select?

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I changed the color space from "Auto" to "YCbCr" on HDMI 1 since that's the only one I use. I'm assuming it doesn't matter which one I select?
YCbCr 4:4:4 should be the default for HDMI connections, but we don't trust AUTO responses from the display to establish that.

Color space shouldn't make a difference, but sometimes does. The Spears & Munsil site has an article showing how to test it for yourself.

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I read earlier in this thread that a replacement for the 103 may not come out this year or next. Has anyone heard through the grapevine if this is still the case?

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I read earlier in this thread that a replacement for the 103 may not come out this year or next. Has anyone heard through the grapevine if this is still the case?
There has been no new information.

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Need help set-up Oppo 103 SACD to KanexPro to Onkyo A9070

Hi everyone, this is my first posting on AVS - and I have been impressed by the knowledge here.

I have done an extensive search but could not find the specific answers that I am looking for - and I hope that I can find them here. I was not sure where to post (on the 2 channel or Oppo 103 thread) so I will post this on both. Here it goes.

I have an Oppo 103 connect to my Onkyo A9070 amp (it has 2 Wolfson DAC 24/192) thru the Kanex Pro (thank you smarty-pants) and out to Martin Logan ESL. My primary interest is to play SACD to the best possible rate/quality - I guess DSD. (Yes, I have read all the controversy about DSD vs PCM)

I read and read and tried all different set-ups but still today the Oppo shows that the signal out is PCM and does not allow me to switch/use DSD. What am I do wrong?

The Oppo out is HDMI Port 2 (as directed by manual) to Kanex Pro and then Optical to the DAC on Onkyo.

Oppo set-up is:

Secondary Audio: OFF
HDMI Audio: Bistream
HDMI Output Resolution 1080p24 Output: ON
SACD: only PCM - it does not allow me to switch to DSD
HDCD Decoding: ON

Downmix mode: Stereo or 5.1ch? (I am guessing stereo?)

Crossover: 250hz (my Logan crossover is 500hz - what do you suggest?)

I know that I have a 2 channels set up (I am planning to add a Logan subwoofer out the pre-amp) but why I cannot send pure DSD to my Onkyo with the de-embedder?

Are the setting ok? Please suggestions. Thank you.
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You can't transmit DSD unless the device at the other end will accept it. Does your Onkyo accept DSD? Secondly, if you are connecting the audio output of the Opp to the Onkyo via optical, that won't work for DSD either since optical can't transmit DSD. I suspect transmission through the Kanex may be a factor too. Have you tried connecting the Oppo directly to your receiver to see what happens?

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You can't transmit DSD unless the device at the other end will accept it. Does your Onkyo accept DSD? Secondly, if you are connecting the audio output of the Opp to the Onkyo via optical, that won't work for DSD either since optical can't transmit DSD. I suspect transmission through the Kanex may be a factor too. Have you tried connecting the Oppo directly to your receiver to see what happens?
Hi I did not try to connected directly because the Oppo manual is clear that anything coming out (optical/coax digital) unless HDMI will output in LPCM due to the Sony protection. I thought that the de-embedder (Kanex Pro) was doing the trick to get around that restriction then allowing to pass DSD from optical.

What you raise is important and I have not checked: if indeed my Onkyo DAC can accept/pass DSD - I have to contact them directly to find out.
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Hi I did not try to connected directly because the Oppo manual is clear that anything coming out (optical/coax digital) unless HDMI will output in LPCM due to the Sony protection. I thought that the de-embedder (Kanex Pro) was doing the trick to get around that restriction then allowing to pass DSD from optical.
What you raise is important and I have not checked: if indeed my Onkyo DAC can accept/pass DSD - I have to contact them directly to find out.

Hi Iari 5,
From what I read, the OPPO is HDMI connected to the Kanex Pro. Then , if the DSD option is not available, it means the Kanex does not accept the DSD and Oppo switches to PCM. On the Onkyo side, there is no HDMI input, then no possibility to get it accepting DSD.


looks like a no go...
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I'm having problems connecting to a network share with my 103. I have a USB drive plugged into my router directly, and have set up an SMB share through the router to that USB drive, with authentication enabled. I am able to connect and authenticate through my computers in the house, and also on my Android phone via the ES File Explorer app. However, when I enter those same credentials in the Oppo Media Player app, it returns login failed.

I did temporarily try authentication disabled (guest login, or anonymous login (no credentials required)) on the router SMB share and got the same result. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong? Thanks.

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Hi I did not try to connected directly because the Oppo manual is clear that anything coming out (optical/coax digital) unless HDMI will output in LPCM due to the Sony protection. I thought that the de-embedder (Kanex Pro) was doing the trick to get around that restriction then allowing to pass DSD from optical.

What you raise is important and I have not checked: if indeed my Onkyo DAC can accept/pass DSD - I have to contact them directly to find out.
Others have zeroed in on the Onkyo not accepting DSD, but I think that point is moot anyway (at least with the Keanex in the mix).
Reason being is, DSD can not be passed through S/PDIF (optical)... even without copy protection... I just don't think it's possible.
(I could be wrong, as I have not tried this with a KeanexPro, so anyone is welcome to correct me,
but again I have never heard of being able to pass DSD through S/PDIF.)

The main goal of the application with the Keanex, is to be able to transmit higher resolution digital audio from the Oppo,
to something else that may have a better DAC application.
So the purpose of the Keanex device is to yes, convert the HDMI audio to optical audio so
that it can be input to an external decoder (DAC) like the Oppo HA-1, or in your case the Onkyo device.
Again though, I believe your only option of doing that is via PCM.

If you wish to use DSD, you would have send DSD out of the Oppo and into a device that will accept and process DSD.
Maybe your Onkyo does or doesn't do that, but if it did, you wouldn't even need the Keanex device in the mix.
If you don't have the proper device to decode the DSD audio after it's transmitted from the Oppo,
then you will have be content with PCM instead.
So in this particular case, your best option to use the DAC in the Onkyo instead of the Oppo, is the exact way you have
already set it up. HDMI from the Oppo into the Keanex, then optical from the Keanex into the Onkyo,
but again this will only be possible with PCM audio and not DSD.

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Others have zeroed in on the Onkyo not accepting DSD, but I think that point is moot anyway (at least with the Keanex in the mix).
Reason being is, DSD can not be passed through S/PDIF (optical)... even without copy protection... I just don't think it's possible.
(I could be wrong, as I have not tried this with a KeanexPro, so anyone is welcome to correct me,
but again I have never heard of being able to pass DSD through S/PDIF.)

The main goal of the application with the Keanex, is to be able to transmit higher resolution digital audio from the Oppo,
to something else that may have a better DAC application.
So the purpose of the Keanex device is to yes, convert the HDMI audio to optical audio so
that it can be input to an external decoder (DAC) like the Oppo HA-1, or in your case the Onkyo device.
Again though, I believe your only option of doing that is via PCM.

If you wish to use DSD, you would have send DSD out of the Oppo and into a device that will accept and process DSD.
Maybe your Onkyo does or doesn't do that, but if it did, you wouldn't even need the Keanex device in the mix.
If you don't have the proper device to decode the DSD audio after it's transmitted from the Oppo,
then you will have be content with PCM instead.
So in this particular case, your best option to use the DAC in the Onkyo instead of the Oppo, is the exact way you have
already set it up. HDMI from the Oppo into the Keanex, then optical from the Keanex into the Onkyo,
but again this will only be possible with PCM audio and not DSD.
Thank you Dave and Arrius. I did more research and indeed the Wolfson DAC on the Onkyo A9070 ONLY accepts PCM. Interesting enough, the coaxial DAC pass higher resolution than optical...

I was able to switch the Oppo to DSD but no sound coming thru.

Yes, the Kanex still allows to pass LPCM at higher resolution (I was able to play the 2L BD the nordic sound at 96 Khz) from the HDMI 2 Port on the Oppo. So, just to make myself feel better (in the dispute between DSD vs PCM) I was glad to read from the sounds engineer of the 2L BD that he felt that " I personally prefer extremely high resolution PCM over the DSD an I would claim that DSD is not transparent.(Morten Lindberg)"

One more thing: the Oppo passes higher resolution when set to "Stereo" 2ch versus "Multich" for my 2ch system.

I love the Onkyo I think is a terrific amp for the monies and I don't want to give it up for DSD...

Thank you again. Massimo.
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