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post #21901 of 23657 Old 09-28-2015, 07:38 PM
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A couple weeks ago I found a missing box of DVD's, DVD-A's and SACD's that was misplaced in our last move.
So, I hooked up the multi-channel outputs of my 103. On SACD's I noticed when I select a track, it plays just fine, but, it skips the about first second of the song. I've tried several different discs, and several different tracks on each...same result.
Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere to correct this?

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^ Check that you have up to date firmware:

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http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...3-Support.aspx

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^ OK, next step: Try setting HDMI Audio to OFF.
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Will the Oppo 2 year warranty still be in effect after the 1 year runs out if you buy the player from JVB Digital? I don't know, I would contact Oppo as well as JVBD and see what they say.

The mod itself is easily removed, it's basically 'plug and play' there's no hard-wiring involved, so if you're concerned about it being there when having work done on the player just remove it before you send it in.

The Oppo players are incredibly well-built and they have serviced players well beyond warranty coverage in the past, in many cases charging for shipping only so I personally wouldn't worry about the difference in coverage length. But to be safe, I would call both Oppo and JVBD.

Ok I contacted both OPPO and JVB with warranty question;
Oppo replied
"Units which have been modified are not under warranty, but we have not actively denied someone service because they hardware modified their player to make it region free."
while JVB just said
"Yes the warranty is 2 years."
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Ok I contacted both OPPO and JVB with warranty question;
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"Units which have been modified are not under warranty, but we have not actively denied someone service because they hardware modified their player to make it region free."
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Sounds about right. It's been awhile, but I recall sending in a BDP-83 with a region mod installed for the sticky tray fix and there was never a mention of it. Of course it was many years out of warranty at the time but I paid only the shipping to Oppo, they did the fix and sent it back with no charge. Your experience may be different, but there are many posts here that express an extremely high level of satisfaction with Oppo's customer and repair service, many indicating it being the best they have ever encountered, that includes myself.
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Will the Oppo 2 year warranty still be in effect after the 1 year runs out if you buy the player from JVB Digital? I don't know, I would contact Oppo as well as JVBD and see what they say.

The mod itself is easily removed, it's basically 'plug and play' there's no hard-wiring involved, so if you're concerned about it being there when having work done on the player just remove it before you send it in.

The Oppo players are incredibly well-built and they have serviced players well beyond warranty coverage in the past, in many cases charging for shipping only so I personally wouldn't worry about the difference in coverage length. But to be safe, I would call both Oppo and JVBD.
I bought my JVB Digital all regions adapter after I bought my 103. I have never worried about what effect, if any, it might have on my Oppo warranty because it is easily removed from the 103. Once it is removed, there is no trace left that it was ever there. It appears that Oppo doesn't care anyway, because they know that the JVB Digital chip does no harm to the 103.
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I have a Marantz SR7002 AVR which does the video/audio processing right now.

Would I be better taking advantage the advanced audio processing in the 103 (or 105)? Or would that be negated as I would still be better off passing everything to the Marantz?
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I have a Marantz SR7002 AVR which does the video/audio processing right now.

Would I be better taking advantage the advanced audio processing in the 103 (or 105)? Or would that be negated as I would still be better off passing everything to the Marantz?
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I have a Marantz SR7002 AVR which does the video/audio processing right now.

Would I be better taking advantage the advanced audio processing in the 103 (or 105)? Or would that be negated as I would still be better off passing everything to the Marantz?
Scratch that...I would think the Marantz is better at it as I'll be passing it via HDMI anyways.
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How is the 103 at streaming high-bitrate mkv files?
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How is the 103 at streaming high-bitrate mkv files?
It works. Could it be better than that?

Used wired networking for uncompressed Blu-ray. I've done it but wireless is risky for high bit rates. That's the network capacity itself, not the OPPO.

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I'm using powerline with a Roku 3 and Plex right now, and wondering if the Oppo would be better (i.e. picture quality wise and that it may avoid plex and stream directly from my non-DLNA NAS)?

Rephrasing it: would I be better off with one consolidated box for mkv playback and bluray playback rather than using two devices (a Roku 3 with Plex and an Xbox One for bluray)?

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I've had a long standing issue with my BDP-103, I purchased the unit in November 2012. The FW is up to date (pre latest beta). The unit locks up when playing any type of music file from my USB external HDD attached to my router and/or playing music files from my NAS via SMB. The unit locks up about 99% of the time when I'm playing a music file and scrolling the current music folder or scrolling to other music folders using the OPPO remote. The unit doesn't seem to lock up as much if I don't scroll using the remote during music playback, meaning, I press the STOP button on the remote first (to stop playing the music file) then scroll through the folders.


My HDTV screen via OPPO SMB (file folder / music files screen) locks up, the music keeps playing, but the buttons on the OPPO remote won't work except for the OFF button. I have to turn the unit off via the OFF button on the OPPO remote and then restart the unit. This happens about 99% of the time, meaning each time I play music files for any length of time and scroll through the SMB file structure, I will encounter the unit locking up and having to restart the unit. The OPPO via SMB is connected CAT 6A wired to an L2 managed switch, which is wired to a Gigabit WiFi router, my AVR is CAT 6A wired to the switch, the HDTV is CAT 6A wired to the AVR. My network is working just fine with 12 ports wired to the 16 port switch. The CAT 6A is STP (shielded twisted pair). Everything connected via the switch is working fine. Unplugging and plugging the OPPO and/or AVR back in to the A/C outlet and/or restarting the router and/or switch doesn't solve the lock up issue.


I really love my OPPO, but the lock up issue is a bit annoying. Any thoughts?

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I really love my OPPO, but the lock up issue is a bit annoying. Any thoughts?
There are so many variables with networking it can take a lot of effort to diagnose issues.

1. Have you tried the files on locally attach storage?
2. Have you varied any of the network gear?
3. Does DLNA behave better than SMB?

Have you contacted OPPO support?

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There are so many variables with networking it can take a lot of effort to diagnose issues.

1. Have you tried the files on locally attach storage? (Directly to the OPPO via USB...No, but good suggestion, I'll try it.)
2. Have you varied any of the network gear? (Nope)
3. Does DLNA behave better than SMB? (Behaves the same)

Have you contacted OPPO support? (Not yet...)

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Q1. Have you tried the files on locally attach storage?
A1. (Directly to the OPPO via USB...No, but good suggestion, I'll try it.)


Q2. Have you varied any of the network gear?
A2. (Nope)


Q3. Does DLNA behave better than SMB?
A3. (Behaves the same)

Q4. Have you contacted OPPO support?
A4. (Not yet...)

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^ OK, next step: Try setting HDMI Audio to OFF.
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I'll try this when my wife is away this weekend...
If this works, will I then need to switch back an forth when I go from music to watching a movie?
I'm not sure a 7.1 movie sound track would work through the Multi-out jacks...

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Q1. Have you tried the files on locally attach storage?
A1. (Directly to the OPPO via USB...No, but good suggestion, I'll try it.)


Q2. Have you varied any of the network gear?
A2. (Nope)


Q3. Does DLNA behave better than SMB?
A3. (Behaves the same)

Q4. Have you contacted OPPO support?
A4. (Not yet...)

I contacted OPPO support (9/30/15), this is their response:




If you use an alternative DLNA server on your computer such asoShare (sourceforge.net/projects/oshare/), do you experience the same issueswith the player?



Under Device Setup and Standby Mode, make sure that the player is set to EnergySaver and not Quick Start mode.




Also ensure that you have disabled all QOS or other throttling onyour network, as these will cause network playback errors.




I'll look into their suggestions and get back to AVS regarding this issue.

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I'll try this when my wife is away this weekend...
If this works, will I then need to switch back an forth when I go from music to watching a movie?
I'm not sure a 7.1 movie sound track would work through the Multi-out jacks...
Not to worry - until I got an HDMI-capable receiver in May, I used my Oppo 93's multichannel analog outputs exclusively - for both music and movies - for over three years, set to mix down to 5.1 because my old receiver was only 5.1.

When I got my new 7.1 receiver, I hooked it up both ways - 7.1 analog and HDMI - so I could compare the sound both ways. The 7.1 analog output worked fine for music and movies. I ended up going with the HDMI because the 7.1 analog input on the receiver isn't re-digitized to get the benefit of its automated room correction (distance, volume, and equalization) - it's just fed into the last stages of the pre-amp for manual tone controls and master volume.

If you like what your receiver's room correction comes up with for your other sources (with whatever tweaks you make to that) you can copy over, into the Oppo's Speaker Configuration screen, the distance and volume trim settings you're using for your other sources, assuming there's a place to review those to see what it's done. That way the multichannel analog output from the Oppo will be set up to match fairly closely what has been set up for your other sources.

That Speaker Configuration screen has no effect on the Oppo's digital outputs - it's solely for the multichannel analog output.

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Not to worry - until I got an HDMI-capable receiver in May, I used my Oppo 93's multichannel analog outputs exclusively - for both music and movies - for over three years, set to mix down to 5.1 because my old receiver was only 5.1.

When I got my new 7.1 receiver, I hooked it up both ways - 7.1 analog and HDMI - so I could compare the sound both ways. The 7.1 analog output worked fine for music and movies. I ended up going with the HDMI because the 7.1 analog input on the receiver isn't re-digitized to get the benefit of its automated room correction (distance, volume, and equalization) - it's just fed into the last stages of the pre-amp for manual tone controls and master volume.

If you like what your receiver's room correction comes up with for your other sources (with whatever tweaks you make to that) you can copy over, into the Oppo's Speaker Configuration screen, the distance and volume trim settings you're using for your other sources, assuming there's a place to review those to see what it's done. That way the multichannel analog output from the Oppo will be set up to match fairly closely what has been set up for your other sources.

That Speaker Configuration screen has no effect on the Oppo's digital outputs - it's solely for the multichannel analog output.
Interesting, I'll play with it this weekend and see how it sounds...
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PS I just noticed that you're using an Aventage Yamaha, as I am. After you run Yamaha's YPAO routine, you can get into its results to view and tweak them. I was speaking generically in my last post because I hadn't noticed your equipment list in your sig box.

Yamaha gives you a somewhat confusing five-way choice called Parametric EQ.

Manual and Through are fairly clear - let me do it entirely myself (ignore what YPAO did) or no adjustments either by YPAO or by me.

"YPAO - Flat" applies equalization to all speakers for flat frequency response,

"YPAO - Front" equalizes the surrounds to sound like the front speakers,

But what does "YPAO - Natural" mean? It's based on what a panel of musicians and audiophiles liked years ago in establishing the "Yamaha sound." But what does it do, actually? If you look at the curves, it's a treble cut - which a tech at Yamaha confirmed for me by email when I asked about it.

No thanks - I went with Flat.

PPS In copying settings into the Oppo, no volume trim you make should be a positive number - that can lead to overload distortion. Instead, use cuts to the other channels to accomplish the same relative levels.

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I've been debating on Oppo for quite some time. Now I've moved homes and setup 135" projector (Sony hpl40...) and am looking again. Most watching is Directv and then Blu Ray when getting Redbox movies or playing Blu rays I own. Some Chromecast and ps4. Currently using ps4 as player.

My thought was having a good BD player would make larger pic better since at 135", all errors are magnified.

Is it worth it? Reading several pages back, I've seen some users run their cable/sat thru Oppo too. Didn't even know that was an option. Was originally thinking Oppo just for Blu Ray.

What are the thoughts on Oppo for larger displays and any feedback?
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One last point - on the Oppo's Speaker Configuration screen you should also set each speaker's size (Large, Small, Off) as that controls bass management, which the receiver doesn't provide to the multichannel analog input - so you can do it in the Oppo instead.

Any speaker position you set to Small will have its two bottom octaves (20-40 Hz and 40-80 Hz) re-directed to the subwoofer along with the .1 "Low Frequency Effects" channel. 80Hz is the bass management crossover frequency specified by George Lucas for "THX" certification and has thus become the de facto standard for movies and music. (You'd think he'd also have them do something at 1138 Hz!)

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I've been debating on Oppo for quite some time. Now I've moved homes and setup 135" projector (Sony hpl40...) and am looking again. Most watching is Directv and then Blu Ray when getting Redbox movies or playing Blu rays I own. Some Chromecast and ps4. Currently using ps4 as player.

My thought was having a good BD player would make larger pic better since at 135", all errors are magnified.

Is it worth it? Reading several pages back, I've seen some users run their cable/sat thru Oppo too. Didn't even know that was an option. Was originally thinking Oppo just for Blu Ray.

What are the thoughts on Oppo for larger displays and any feedback?
I've been using a 131" diagonal image from a Panasonic PT-AE2000U 1080p LCD projector for seven years, initially with a Panasonic BD-50 Blu-ray player, and for the last three years with the Oppo BDP-93.

I got the Oppo to upgrade the sound, as I had noticed that my even older Denon 2910 DVD/DVD-A player sounded richer playing CDs than the Panasonic did - since the Oppo also played DVD-A disks I figured it would have audio circuitry that could upgrade the sound of Blu-rays as well. (I was running with the multichannel analog output at that point, since my AVR then was pre-HDMI.)

The Oppo did upgrade the sound - but I was suprised that it also upgraded the image, since the "received wisdom" in this hobby is that all Blu-ray players' images look the same. Not true. The Oppo's color rendition was much more natural than it had been from the Panny BD-50, making older films look new.

The Oppos' streaming abilities are nothing to sneeze at - I buy downloads of original high-definition surround recordings from iTrax (sister site to AIX Records) and stream them over my LAN using my Oppo - even the most current AVRs only stream music over DLNA / UPnP in stereo.

I use an outboard $200 Darbee Darblet connected between my receiver and my projector for on-the-fly detail enhancement, which gets that applied to all video, even old videotapes. Many folks here buy the 103D, which builds Darbee into the player for half that price, and run their HDMI sources (which could simply be the AVR's video output) through the Oppo for the same reason - though that makes the plumbing a bit more complicated, with stuff being shuttled between the Oppo and the AVR in both directions.

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Question for those who use MKV with their 103: I was running the latest beta firmware, but when I try to play an MKV that has the Atmos/TrueHD track, it showed MLP on the screen and my AVR was receiving 5.1 Multichannel (despite the TrueHD track being 7.1). I beat my head against the wall on that issue, trying the same files over DLNA, Samba shares, on a USB drive, etc. Could never get the 103 to pass the TrueHD/Atmos to my receiver. So I flashed back to the official firmware release and voila - MKV with Atmos/TrueHD sends the bitstream to my AVR (though it still shows MLP on the info screen of the 103). Basically, when I rolled it back, I went to the official firmware, but when asked if I wanted to downgrade the loader, I said no. So last night, I had an Atmos MKV file that worked, but had lots of skipping. Tried going back to the beta firmware... and the skipping was gone, but so was the Atmos/TrueHD bitstream, with the player going back to sending 5.1 multichannel to my AVR again instead of the TrueHD track with the Atmos metadata.

So now I'm faced with a dilemma. Looks like the beta firmware "(r)esolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks." I'm assuming this is related to why that firmware won't send the TrueHD bitstream. Anyone else had a problem with this, or any potential solution? Seems odd to me that the official firmware is handling this well and the beta one isn't, but I'm not sure what I'm giving up by staying on the official for the sake of MKV files properly passing the bitstream.

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So now I'm faced with a dilemma. Looks like the beta firmware "(r)esolved an audio loss issue that could occur with MKV files with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA audio tracks." I'm assuming this is related to why that firmware won't send the TrueHD bitstream. Anyone else had a problem with this, or any potential solution? Seems odd to me that the official firmware is handling this well and the beta one isn't, but I'm not sure what I'm giving up by staying on the official for the sake of MKV files properly passing the bitstream.
No issue here playing MKV with 7.1 THD audio. FWIW, the 103 has always displayed "MLP" when playing files with THD audio. It actually IS MLP.
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No issue here playing MKV with 7.1 THD audio. FWIW, the 103 has always displayed "MLP" when playing files with THD audio. It actually IS MLP.


The issue isn't what is displayed on the 103. The issue is what is being sent to the AVR. With the last regular firmware, it sends the actual bitstream, Atmos metadata included. With the beta, it sends multichannel PCM, and doesn't seem to send more than 5.1, according to my AVR.

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I've been using a 131" diagonal image from a Panasonic PT-AE2000U 1080p LCD projector for seven years, initially with a Panasonic BD-50 Blu-ray player, and for the last three years with the Oppo BDP-93.

I got the Oppo to upgrade the sound, as I had noticed that my even older Denon 2910 DVD/DVD-A player sounded richer playing CDs than the Panasonic did - since the Oppo also played DVD-A disks I figured it would have audio circuitry that could upgrade the sound of Blu-rays as well. (I was running with the multichannel analog output at that point, since my AVR then was pre-HDMI.)

The Oppo did upgrade the sound - but I was suprised that it also upgraded the image, since the "received wisdom" in this hobby is that all Blu-ray players' images look the same. Not true. The Oppo's color rendition was much more natural than it had been from the Panny BD-50, making older films look new.

The Oppos' streaming abilities are nothing to sneeze at - I buy downloads of original high-definition surround recordings from iTrax (sister site to AIX Records) and stream them over my LAN using my Oppo - even the most current AVRs only stream music over DLNA / UPnP in stereo.

I use an outboard $200 Darbee Darblet connected between my receiver and my projector for on-the-fly detail enhancement, which gets that applied to all video, even old videotapes. Many folks here buy the 103D, which builds Darbee into the player for half that price, and run their HDMI sources (which could simply be the AVR's video output) through the Oppo for the same reason - though that makes the plumbing a bit more complicated, with stuff being shuttled between the Oppo and the AVR in both directions.
Thanks Philnick. Probably no new models coming out anytime I would assume? Since Oppo doesn't really discount pricing, I didn't want to buy for $499 and then a new model come out. Don't think I'll get the Darbee model. Not sure if I'll run Directv through it either?!? Are there audio settings on Oppo I need to adjust like you mentioned above about sub crossover, etc? or is that in the AVR? I have HK AVR2600.

Also, do we buy directly form Oppo? Amazon? AVS?
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Also, do we buy directly form Oppo? Amazon? AVS?
If the price is your major concern, you can call Oppo and ask if they have any refurbished stock of the player you are interested in. Refurbished players come with everything that comes with the new ones, including the full two year warranty, and they sell for considerably less. And, at least in my case, the refurbished player looked brand new as well.

Note that even if the Oppo web site says there is no stock of the refurbished player, if you call you may well find that they actually have some.

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So I just went to website to look at models. How do people run TV, DVD, etc through Oppo? It only had one input. Are you saying everything into AVR, out of AVR, into Oppo, out to TV/Projector?

I see the 103D has 4k upscaling? My projector is Sony VPL-hw40es 1080p. I'm guessing that would not be a feature to use.
So it's basically do I want Darbee or not? Worth the extra $100?
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