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I have been using my 103 with some success to pull audio files off my lap top and play them over the wi Fi network in my house.

I had done the same with my 93.

I understand that the 103 supports the ability to push files at the 103 from say my laptop?

Does anyone have experience in how to do this?
If you install Twonky ($20 for the license) on your laptop as a DLNA server, it has the ability to push files to a renderer like the 103.

However, I prefer to use my Android phone as the controller, with Twonky as the file server and BubbleUPnP Server - which is free - acting as an intermediary making the Twonky library available remotely from your phone over the net with Android BubbleUPnP ($5 at the Google Play Store) and when your phone is on your wifi network, that same Android app can push music and movies from your laptop to the 103 and any other renderers you have.

I set BubbleUPnP to send all files at full resolution locally but as 128k mp3s over the net to my phone when listening remotely, to avoid running up my phone bill.

You can use the FooUPnP plugin for Foobar2000 as both a file server syndicated by BubbleUPnP Server and as a client/renderer/controller like the android app - so I run that as a client on my upstairs PC, with its sound card plugged into my hifi, letting me play music in bed using my phone as the controller, and on my laptop to listen to music from home when traveling. In the car, I run a cord from the phone's earphone jack into my car stereo's line input!

The advantage of Twonky over FooUPnP as the file server is that Twonky shows you embedded album art while browsing as well as while playing, while FooUPnP only shows it while playing. Also, Twonky can be set to auto update its index when you add new stuff, while FooUPnP has to be manually updated, including closing and reopening Foobar2000.

Both the Android BubbleUPnP and FooUPnP (which are written by the same programmer) let you do word searches through your library to find things.


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Question Album Art Playing (SACD) dsf files?

I've ripped a number of SACDs to dsf using my 103. I've then taken the dsf files and updated tags and added album art. When I playback the dsf files from my PC to my 103 over my LAN, the tags are correct but no album art is displayed. Album art displays fine for MP3s and FLAC files (over the LAN).

Has anyone been able to display album art when playing dsf files through their 103?

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Album art doesn't display for .dsf files on the Oppo.

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Album art doesn't display for .dsf files on the Oppo.
Thanks for confirming that. Kind of a shame that it doesn't. Also, it would be nice if SACD album art was available through Gracenote. I'll keep adding album art to my dsf files in the hope that some day that Oppo supports it.

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Thanks for confirming that. Kind of a shame that it doesn't. Also, it would be nice if SACD album art was available through Gracenote. I'll keep adding album art to my dsf files in the hope that some day that Oppo supports it.
The path of least resistance is to just convert the files to 24/88 FLAC. You won't hear any difference, and its likely that your processor does the same thing anyway. (it has to in order to apply any processing)
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The path of least resistance is to just convert the files to 24/88 FLAC. You won't hear any difference, and its likely that your processor does the same thing anyway. (it has to in order to apply any processing)
I do that with all my multichannel SACD rips. They are all getting fed through my Pioneer SC-87 processing anyway and all that processing is PCM - and in the end flac files are just a ton more convenient.
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The path of least resistance is to just convert the files to 24/88 FLAC. You won't hear any difference, and its likely that your processor does the same thing anyway. (it has to in order to apply any processing)
I took your advice and converted a stereo dsf file to 24/88 flac using foobar2000. Seems ok.

I recall reading somewhere that there may be some issue converting a multichannel dsf file to flac with respect to the .1 LFE channel. Something to do with the LFE channel requiring +10dB compensation adjustment. Please advise.

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I took your advice and converted a stereo dsf file to 24/88 flac using foobar2000. Seems ok.

I recall reading somewhere that there may be some issue converting a multichannel dsf file to flac with respect to the .1 LFE channel. Something to do with the LFE channel requiring +10dB compensation adjustment. Please advise.
That's up to your processor. Most will do the 10db boost to any LFE channel input. Shouldn't be too difficult to hear one way or the other. But that boost happens in the processor.
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I took your advice and converted a stereo dsf file to 24/88 flac using foobar2000. Seems ok.

I recall reading somewhere that there may be some issue converting a multichannel dsf file to flac with respect to the .1 LFE channel. Something to do with the LFE channel requiring +10dB compensation adjustment. Please advise.
Sony's design for SACD uses the LFE channel differently from everybody else.

Everybody else uses the LFE channel as a place to hold *LOUD* bass. So the content in that channel is recorded -10dB down and has to be boosted +10dB on playback to restore it to the level it should be at compared to the other speaker channels. AVRs, for example, almost universally add +10dB boost to the channel by default.

But SACD (as Sony designed it) does not do that. SACD records LFE without that -10dB attenuation. So if +10dB boost is applied during listening that channel will be too hot.

Now, when playing DSD digital audio content, whatever is processing that can make a guess (almost certainly correct) that this came from an SACD and apply -10dB attenuation to that LFE channel so that a subsequent, default, +10dB boost will leave things "correct".

But when you convert the DSD digital audio to another digital audio format, like LPCM, that provenance is lost. So the AVR, for example can't know not to provide the +10dB boost.

Ideally then, whatever is doing the CONVERSION from DSD to something else should apply -10dB attenuation to the LFE channels AS PART OF that conversion. In your case, that means the tool you are using to produce those FLAC files.

You'll have to ask people familiar with the tool whether it does that by default, or can be set to do that.

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This is such an ungodly can of worms that studios have taken countermeasures. Many Studios author their 5.1 SACD content so that there IS NO AUDIO in the .1 channel. I.e, it is really 5.0 authoring packaged as 5.1. *ALL* the bass is authored into the main speaker channels.

Some older SACDs, on the other hand, took the approach that, Sony notwithstanding, they were going to author 5.1 SACD content including the -10dB attenuation of the .1 channel as part of the authoring. I.e., the same thing EVERY OTHER FORMAT was doing with that .1 channel. These are, of course, truly problematic recordings today since the fixes built into the conversion algorithms in modern gear will now attenuate that channel yet ANOTHER -10dB.

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Sony's design for SACD uses the LFE channel differently from everybody else.

Everybody else uses the LFE channel as a place to hold *LOUD* bass. So the content in that channel is recorded -10dB down and has to be boosted +10dB on playback to restore it to the level it should be at compared to the other speaker channels. AVRs, for example, almost universally add +10dB boost to the channel by default.

But SACD (as Sony designed it) does not do that. SACD records LFE without that -10dB attenuation. So if +10dB boost is applied during listening that channel will be too hot.

Now, when playing DSD digital audio content, whatever is processing that can make a guess (almost certainly correct) that this came from an SACD and apply -10dB attenuation to that LFE channel so that a subsequent, default, +10dB boost will leave things "correct".

But when you convert the DSD digital audio to another digital audio format, like LPCM, that provenance is lost. So the AVR, for example can't know not to provide the +10dB boost.

Ideally then, whatever is doing the CONVERSION from DSD to something else should apply -10dB attenuation to the LFE channels AS PART OF that conversion. In your case, that means the tool you are using to produce those FLAC files.

You'll have to ask people familiar with the tool whether it does that by default, or can be set to do that.

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This is such an ungodly can of worms that studios have taken countermeasures. Many Studios author their 5.1 SACD content so that there IS NO AUDIO in the .1 channel. I.e, it is really 5.0 authoring packaged as 5.1. *ALL* the bass is authored into the main speaker channels.

Some older SACDs, on the other hand, took the approach that, Sony notwithstanding, they were going to author 5.1 SACD content including the -10dB attenuation of the .1 channel as part of the authoring. I.e., the same thing EVERY OTHER FORMAT was doing with that .1 channel. These are, of course, truly problematic recordings today since the fixes built into the conversion algorithms in modern gear will now attenuate that channel yet ANOTHER -10dB.

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Last night I posted about this in the forum of the guy who wrote the Foobar2000 SACD plugins, suggesting adding a switchable 10db cut for the .1 channel, and he replied that he could do that. My experiment with converting the pure stereo SACD (no multichannel, no CD compatibility layer) classic jazz album Mingus Ah Um first ripping it to DSD with the Oppo and then converting it to FLAC with Foobar worked, so I'll convert the stereo versions on my 43 SACD sets, and will convert the multichannel tracks on about half of them when he tells me that he's added that switch.

It will be great to unlock that music to be able to listen to it anywhere with my BubbleUPnP internet-enabled hifi jukebox! A side-by-side comparison of one of the tracks from Mingus Ah Um showed that even on a portable headset the difference in clarity was night and day - the Redbook CD version sounded "muddy" by comparison.

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Tidal via oppo

Does anyone know if I'm using the oppo app on my iphone to stream Tidal through the 103, am I getting lossless audio or is it compressed like apple air play ?

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Last night I posted about this in the forum of the guy who wrote the Foobar2000 SACD plugins, suggesting adding a switchable 10db cut for the .1 channel, and he replied that he could do that. My experiment with converting the pure stereo SACD (no multichannel, no CD compatibility layer) classic jazz album Mingus Ah Um first ripping it to DSD with the Oppo and then converting it to FLAC with Foobar worked, so I'll convert the stereo versions on my 43 SACD sets, and will convert the multichannel tracks on about half of them when he tells me that he's added that switch.

It will be great to unlock that music to be able to listen to it anywhere with my BubbleUPnP internet-enabled hifi jukebox! A side-by-side comparison of one of the tracks from Mingus Ah Um showed that even on a portable headset the difference in clarity was night and day - the Redbook CD version sounded "muddy" by comparison.
That's good news. Thanks for reaching out to the author of the foobar2000 SACD plug-in. And thanks to him of course.

As I previously posted, I ripped stereo dsf to flac using foobar2000 SACD and flac plug-ins. Sounded ok.

I have an old Pioneer Elite DV58-AV which plays SACD discs (and DVD-Audio, CD, and DVD. No USB nor networking.). I have an Oppo 103 which I used to create an iso which I converted to dsf on my PC. I put the stereo SACD disc into the DV58 and streamed the same stereo flac converted tunes using the 103. I set the volume for both units to be ~ the same. Switching back and forth between the SACD and the flac, I could not notice any discernible difference.

I've already ripped the multichannel layer of Carole King's Tapestry from SACD to dsf and converted it to flac but have not done the listening comparison test yet. When foobar2000 SACD plug-in has the LFE -10db option, i'll convert the multichannel dsf to flac using -10db option and perfrom the listening test on both versions of the flac.

@Philnick I'm new to foobar2000 having downloading it and installing various plug-ins ~ 2 weeks ago. Which forum did you converse with the author of foorbar2000 SACD plug-in?

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Does anyone know if I'm using the oppo app on my iphone to stream Tidal through the 103, am I getting lossless audio or is it compressed like apple air play ?
If you are subscribed with Tidal for their HiFi level of service, you will get HiFi streaming to the OPPO -- the equivalent of uncompressed CD rates.

Check your Account settings in the Tidal portion of the MediaControl app and make sure that HiFi is enabled.

You should also see a HiFi indicator on the Now Playing page of the app while streaming Tidal. This shows the last step is working -- i.e., the Tidal stuff thinks you have enough network bandwidth to actually send you the HiFi stream.

Note that when streaming Tidal using OPPO's MediaControl app for iOS or Android, the network stream is going direct to the OPPO. It is not passing through your iOS or Android device.
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If you are subscribed with Tidal for their HiFi level of service, you will get HiFi streaming to the OPPO -- the equivalent of uncompressed CD rates.

Check your Account settings in the Tidal portion of the MediaControl app and make sure that HiFi is enabled.

You should also see a HiFi indicator on the Now Playing page of the app while streaming Tidal. This shows the last step is working -- i.e., the Tidal stuff thinks you have enough network bandwidth to actually send you the HiFi stream.

Note that when streaming Tidal using OPPO's MediaControl app for iOS or Android, the network stream is going direct to the OPPO. It is not passing through your iOS or Android device.
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Thanks Bob. Good to know. I know Apple Air Play compresses the audio, so I was looking for a new way to stream it.

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That's good news. Thanks for reaching out to the author of the foobar2000 SACD plug-in. And thanks to him of course.

As I previously posted, I ripped stereo dsf to flac using foobar2000 SACD and flac plug-ins. Sounded ok.

I have an old Pioneer Elite DV58-AV which plays SACD discs (and DVD-Audio, CD, and DVD. No USB nor networking.). I have an Oppo 103 which I used to create an iso which I converted to dsf on my PC. I put the stereo SACD disc into the DV58 and streamed the same stereo flac converted tunes using the 103. I set the volume for both units to be ~ the same. Switching back and forth between the SACD and the flac, I could not notice any discernible difference.

I've already ripped the multichannel layer of Carole King's Tapestry from SACD to dsf and converted it to flac but have not done the listening comparison test yet. When foobar2000 SACD plug-in has the LFE -10db option, i'll convert the multichannel dsf to flac using -10db option and perfrom the listening test on both versions of the flac.

@Philnick I'm new to foobar2000 having downloading it and installing various plug-ins ~ 2 weeks ago. Which forum did you converse with the author of foorbar2000 SACD plug-in?
Believe it or not, he had the revised version of his plugin ready for me today, and it worked perfectly! He has a Sourceforge.net site Super Audio CD Decoder which is where you can find the new version - it's version 1.0.6. You can converse with him in his general discussion thread. However, you can also find his direct email address on the info screen you get if you click on his plugin inside of foobar.

I did find that the FLAC rip was not as loud as the original SACD, but the relative channel balance was the same.

I didn't make an ISO - the ripping instructions I got had me use a java applet to control the process, and it writes the rip out as individual files. I used the default choice of "Phillips DSDIFF" which wrote .dff files. On my multichannel disk, I had to do two passes: once set to multichannel and once set to dual for the stereo tracks.

In foobar I used file open to navigate to the folder and highlighted the desired tracks. Once they were on the list inside foobar, I did a right-click and chose Convert and then Quick Convert. (If you want to go directly to FLAC you should install the Free Encoder Pack for foobar, which contains a version of FLAC which allows very large files.) Clicked on FLAC and went from there.

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