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Since the the 203 model has so many issues, I want to buy a used 103 model.
I will have to ask each and every seller exactly which firmware updates have already been installed on it.
My question is, is there a site that has all the individual firmware updates so that I can install each one separately and stop right before the one that has the Cinavai included. And, does anyone know the actual firmware version that has the Cinavia included in it?

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If I choose to go with a Model 975 pre using HDMI and RCA out an I going to be disappointed with that? I was really hoping for true analog coming from the 103D.

Or would you guys just boot the Outlaw 5000 and get something like the Marantz SR5011?
there are times when a hiss could be attributed to a grounding issue or noise on the electric lines in the house. Just for the sake of experimentation, i would get a cheater plug and try it out on the amp and or the receiver and see if there is any change.
I grounded the oppo to the outlaw. Would this not substitute for a cheater plug?
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I grounded the oppo to the outlaw. Would this not substitute for a cheater plug?
I don't know. If you don't have one, I would pick one up at your local Walmart or hardware store and try it out and see if there is any change.
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I grounded the oppo to the outlaw. Would this not substitute for a cheater plug?
I don't know. If you don't have one, I would pick one up at your local Walmart or hardware store and try it out and see if there is any change.
Just grabbed one from the store. $1.99 for two. Used it for the Oppo. Let me be clear this isn't a "hum". Maybe you guys refer to this as a hum but a "hum" has depth to it. This is a hiss/white noise/fuzz/snow/heavy rain sound. And as for the 103D this does not work.

Possibly Oppo should let their customers know that using this unit as a preamp is not possible when paired with higher powered amps.
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Just grabbed one from the store. $1.99 for two. Used it for the Oppo. Let me be clear this isn't a "hum". Maybe you guys refer to this as a hum but a "hum" has depth to it. This is a hiss/white noise/fuzz/snow/heavy rain sound. And as for the 103D this does not work.

Possibly Oppo should let their customers know that using this unit as a preamp is not possible when paired with higher powered amps.
Make sure to try it out on the amp as well.
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Possibly Oppo should let their customers know that using this unit as a preamp is not possible when paired with higher powered amps.
Its published that they do not support this use of the player. However the majority of folks have had no issues doing just that, and with much higher-powered amps than the 5000. .
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Make sure to try it out on the amp as well.
No change.

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Its published that they do not support this use of the player. However the majority of folks have had no issues doing just that, and with much higher-powered amps than the 5000. .
Id like to know what it is they're doing that I am not.

I wasn't in the market for a BDP when I purchased the 103 but I got it almost entirely to use the Multichannel outs at some point, without a Pre/Pro or AVR and go directly to an Amp. Oppo advised me that this was possible. It took me a while to convince the wife it was time to get rid of my POS AVR and get the amp I have wanted for a while. Finally got it and this noise couldn't be more frustrating.

I find it a little insulting that Oppo brushed me off so quickly.

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No change.



Id like to know what it is they're doing that I am not.

I wasn't in the market for a BDP when I purchased the 103 but I got it almost entirely to use the Multichannel outs at some point, without a Pre/Pro or AVR and go directly to an Amp. Oppo advised me that this was a possibly. It took me a while to convince the wife it was time to get rid of my POS AVR and get the amp I have wanted for a while. Finally got it and this noise couldn't be more frustrating.

I find it a little insulting that Oppo brushed me off so quickly.
I'm sorry to hear that the plug had no effect and that nothing else has worked either. That is frustrating to be sure.
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Curious as to what a used Oppo 103 could sell for if in mint condition and all original boxes and materials.
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If I choose to go with a Model 975 pre using HDMI and RCA out an I going to be disappointed with that? I was really hoping for true analog coming from the 103D.

Or would you guys just boot the Outlaw 5000 and get something like the Marantz SR5011?
There really isn't a "true analog" in either scenario.

Scenario 1: Oppo 103D decodes digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000.

Scenario 2: Oppo 103D outputs digital audio over HDMI to the Outlaw 975. The 975 decodes the digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000. (If you get the Marantz, then its DAC would be where the digital to analog conversion would take place.)

The difference is whether the conversion to analog is done by the Oppo BDP-103D's DAC(s), or the Outlaw 975's DAC(s).
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If I choose to go with a Model 975 pre using HDMI and RCA out an I going to be disappointed with that? I was really hoping for true analog coming from the 103D.

Or would you guys just boot the Outlaw 5000 and get something like the Marantz SR5011?
There really isn't a "true analog" in either scenario.

Scenario 1: Oppo 103D decodes digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000.

Scenario 2: Oppo 103D outputs digital audio over HDMI to the Outlaw 975. The 975 decodes the digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000. (If you get the Marantz, then its DAC would be where the digital to analog conversion would take place.)

The difference is whether the conversion to analog is done by the Oppo BDP-103D's DAC(s), or the Outlaw 975's DAC(s).
I appreciate that reply.

I ordered a 975 but not from outlaw. Since I didn't buy the 5000 and the 975 "bundled" from them together they refused to give me a discounted price on the 975.

Hoping it will remove my issue.
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That's correct. An MKV file on optical disc triggers Cinavia, the same file on hard drive does not. This rule is tightened up on the 203, where it is detected both ways. (And over SMB/DLNA/NFS).

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Oh boy, so that means if I wish to upgrade to 4K and upgrade my Oppo 103 to a 203, I will not be able to play my MKV's from my NAS?
I am still on an old 103 firmware fearful that Oppo will apply the 203 rules to the 103.
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Oh boy, so that means if I wish to upgrade to 4K and upgrade my Oppo 103 to a 203, I will not be able to play my MKV's from my NAS?
I am still on an old 103 firmware fearful that Oppo will apply the 203 rules to the 103.
If your mkv files were made from discs that use Cinavia then yes. Many discs don't use Cinavia and mkv files made from them of course also won't have Cinavia. Complaints to the studios please. OPPO would be perfectly happy to see Cinavia relegated to the trash bin of history.

Don't worry about your 103. The licensing rules mandating what the player has to do for Cinavia detection are set by when the player first came out. So the rules that apply to players today (such as the 203) do not apply to older players from any manufacturer (like the 103), and OPPO has no interest in going beyond what the rules force them to do.
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Don't worry about your 103. The licensing rules mandating what the player has to do for Cinavia detection are set by when the player first came out. So the rules that apply to players today (such as the 203) do not apply to older players from any manufacturer (like the 103), and OPPO has no interest in going beyond what the rules force them to do.
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Thanks Bob, Think I'll update my 103 tonight
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There really isn't a "true analog" in either scenario.

Scenario 1: Oppo 103D decodes digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000.

Scenario 2: Oppo 103D outputs digital audio over HDMI to the Outlaw 975. The 975 decodes the digital audio to analog using its internal DAC and outputs it over the 7.1 RCA jacks to the Outlaw 5000. (If you get the Marantz, then its DAC would be where the digital to analog conversion would take place.)

The difference is whether the conversion to analog is done by the Oppo BDP-103D's DAC(s), or the Outlaw 975's DAC(s).
It may be just personal preference but I'm curious how others might connect this equipment.

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Just grabbed one from the store. $1.99 for two. Used it for the Oppo. Let me be clear this isn't a "hum". Maybe you guys refer to this as a hum but a "hum" has depth to it. This is a hiss/white noise/fuzz/snow/heavy rain sound. And as for the 103D this does not work.

Possibly Oppo should let their customers know that using this unit as a preamp is not possible when paired with higher powered amps.

Sometimes polarity will cause a hiss. Check the polarity of wiring on the wall receptacle first. I doubt the panel would be wrong. If this is OK, file the bigger prong on the cheater plug to fit and reinsert the cheater in the opposite polarity. If and I mean if, this reduces the hiss, remove and discard the cheater plug and change the polarity of the wall receptacle.
Long shot but no cost involved.

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Just grabbed one from the store. $1.99 for two. Used it for the Oppo. Let me be clear this isn't a "hum". Maybe you guys refer to this as a hum but a "hum" has depth to it. This is a hiss/white noise/fuzz/snow/heavy rain sound. And as for the 103D this does not work.

Possibly Oppo should let their customers know that using this unit as a preamp is not possible when paired with higher powered amps.

Sometimes polarity will cause a hiss. Check the polarity of wiring on the wall receptacle first. I doubt the panel would be wrong. If this is OK, file the bigger prong on the cheater plug to fit and reinsert the cheater in the opposite polarity. If and I mean if, this reduces the hiss, remove and discard the cheater plug and change the polarity of the wall receptacle.
Long shot but no cost involved.
Of course the batteries in my meter are dead.

If I told you that the hiss was NOT present when I hooked up my Macbook directly to the amp via 3.5mm to RCA or when my previous AVR was powering the speakers and receiving audio from the Oppo when using the same receptacle, would you still have me try this procedure or would we still just assume it's the Oppos preamp outputs?

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Of course the batteries in my meter are dead.

If I told you that the hiss was NOT present when I hooked up my Macbook directly to the amp via 3.5mm to RCA or when my previous AVR was powering the speakers and receiving audio from the Oppo when using the same receptacle, would you still have me try this procedure or would we still just assume it's the Oppos preamp outputs?
You should consider posting your issue in the Outlaw thread. You may not be the only one using an Oppo 103 to feed an amp directly.
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Sometimes polarity will cause a hiss. Check the polarity of wiring on the wall receptacle first. I doubt the panel would be wrong. If this is OK, file the bigger prong on the cheater plug to fit and reinsert the cheater in the opposite polarity. If and I mean if, this reduces the hiss, remove and discard the cheater plug and change the polarity of the wall receptacle.
Long shot but no cost involved.
I was able to check polarity using my neighbors meter. It is not reversed. According to Oppo I just need to come to grips with the fact that my Multichannel outs are not equipped to work with at least one Amp...the outlaw 5000.

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I'm considering that. Thanks again guys

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Since the the 203 model has so many issues, I want to buy a used 103 model.
I will have to ask each and every seller exactly which firmware updates have already been installed on it.
My question is, is there a site that has all the individual firmware updates so that I can install each one separately and stop right before the one that has the Cinavai included. And, does anyone know the actual firmware version that has the Cinavia included in it?

Thanks
Thanks for all the answers to this question, just ordered the UDP-203 instead.
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I was able to check polarity using my neighbors meter. It is not reversed. According to Oppo I just need to come to grips with the fact that my Multichannel outs are not equipped to work with at least one Amp...the outlaw 5000.
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I run my 103 directly into an old Anthem MCA 5 (unbalanced of course) and 95dB efficient speakers. Nothing special for AC filter, just an APC voltage regulator designed for computers costing about $300. No noise at full volume even with my ear right at the speaker.

I did notice that the overall volume was a bit lower than when I had the Outlaw HT processor in the system.
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I run my 103 directly into an old Anthem MCA 5 (unbalanced of course) and 95dB efficient speakers. Nothing special for AC filter, just an APC voltage regulator designed for computers costing about $300. No noise at full volume even with my ear right at the speaker.

I did notice that the overall volume was a bit lower than when I had the Outlaw HT processor in the system.
I wish it was like that with mine. Outlaw thought I'd be able to fix it by simply Grounding both the Oppo and the Outlaw together. That didn't work.

I didn't want to include a Model 975 or any other preamp or spend any more money. But that's what I get for buying the lowest quality Oppo. Shame I have to spend double to get a BDP that works like it should.
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I wish it was like that with mine. Outlaw thought I'd be able to fix it by simply Grounding both the Oppo and the Outlaw together. That didn't work.

I didn't want to include a Model 975 or any other preamp or spend any more money. But that's what I get for buying the lowest quality Oppo. Shame I have to spend double to get a BDP that works like it should.
The quality of the 103 and the 105 are both excellent in their price groups. A $30 Aiwa Blu ray player would be of low quality. The problem is the other equipment in your system. Tain't the OPPO's. My 105 is dead quiet with my ATI amp.

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I have the OPPO 93, which at times I plug directly into my Crown K2 power amp just to use it as a preamp. It is a pro amp with XLR inputs. I use rca to xlr interconnects powering a pair of speakers spec'd at 100dB at 1 watt. No hiss or hum with this set-up.
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