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UPDATE: Both video and sound is back using OPPO hdmi-in and hdmi2 out to my Sony avr and to projector.

Good news is: I connected my old HD-DVD player hdmi to OPPO hdmi-in and OPPO hdmi2 out to my Sony avr and out to my projector.

I can now watch all my HD-DVD movie collection thru my OPPO 103,105. The HD-DVD video processed thru the OPPO Q processor is excellent. (blu-ray quality).
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I hooked my Oppo 105 up direct - Amp and Im just wondering what I need the AV8801 it seems like the 105 does everything I need .I was thinking of getting the 105 mod from modright

If you don't use EQ then the Oppo is all you need if you have enough connection, I need XLR connection as my main channel amps are 25 feet away from my SSP-800 and Oppo


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Thanks, Bob, for the further explanation of the asynchronous USB DAC input versus the other input options.
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There is a free utility BDSup2Sub that will convert PGS to hidef VOBSUB (the format used for DVD) and then embed those with mkvmerge, but of course that is extra work.

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Hi Bill,
I've just downloaded BDSup2Sub but it is clearly aimed at people who are much more conversant with video technology than I am. This forum is clearly not the place for a detailed discussion on the use of BDSup2Sub but I would appreciate it if you would just nudge me in the right direction (I'm assuming you have actually made use of this software).

At present my only sources are either an original Blu-ray disk or my MKV version. I have just looked at one of my Blu-rays using Windows Explorer and the primary video information appears to be contained in a series of .m2ts files (though there lots of other smaller files scattered over a range of folders). My confusion with BDSup2Sub stems from the fact that it only appears to load .idx, .sup, .ifo, .xml or .sub files, none of which I seem to have available.

I suspect that before using BDSup2Sub I will first need to use some other utility software to extract the subtitles from the .m2ts files or from the .mkv file (the latter would probably be more convenient, as I have already selected my required subtitles). If so, can you recommend any specific tool for this purpose?

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If you don't use EQ then the Oppo is all you need if you have enough connection, I need XLR connection as my main channel amps are 25 feet away from my SSP-800 and Oppo

Im having an issue maybe this idea wont work , when I play the test tone " speakers config " front left rear left and center all go to the left speaker and my rear right goes to my front right . I get no tones out of the surrounds and the center

Is this because Im using the analog outs for the L& R and RCA for the center and surrounds ?

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Im having an issue maybe this idea wont work , when I play the test tone " speakers config " front left rear left and center all go to the left speaker and my rear right goes to my front right . I get no tones out of the surrounds and the center

Is this because Im using the analog outs for the L& R and RCA for the center and surrounds ?

Yes. You need to set Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT. That will configure the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs (both the RCA pair and the XLR pair) for use in place of the normal LF/RF RCA outputs from the multi-channel Analog set. Also, in the analog Speaker Configuration settings, make sure your Down-mix is set to 5.1 or 7.1 (according to the speakers installed) and that all the speaker channels are enabled (none of them set to OFF).

Basically what you are hearing is the result of a "stereo" down-mix, which is probably not what you want. (Center is likely also coming out of Right Front.)
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I suspect that before using BDSup2Sub I will first need to use some other utility software to extract the subtitles from the .m2ts files or from the .mkv file (the latter would probably be more convenient, as I have already selected my required subtitles). If so, can you recommend any specific tool for this purpose?

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You are correct. I'll post a little guide later today in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336046/ripping-blu-rays-ii

Until then, look at a utility called tsMuxeR which has a demux mode for splitting out components from Blu-ray structures.

Or, if your subtitles are already in MKV, I expect mkvextract (part of the package that includes mkvmerge) will copy them out.

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Yes. You need to set Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT. That will configure the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs (both the RCA pair and the XLR pair) for use in place of the normal LF/RF RCA outputs from the multi-channel Analog set. Also, in the analog Speaker Configuration settings, make sure your Down-mix is set to 5.1 or 7.1 (according to the speakers installed) and that all the speaker channels are enabled (none of them set to OFF).

Basically what you are hearing is the result of a "stereo" down-mix, which is probably not what you want. (Center is likely also coming out of Right Front.)
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Awesome works perfect Audio button Stereo/5.1 Next question any way to get a decent test tone that is not controlled by the volume ?

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Awesome works perfect Audio button Stereo/5.1 Next question any way to get a decent test tone that is not controlled by the volume ?
You should be aware of the Test Tone bug:

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Note: On my 105 there is a glitch concerning the Speaker Configuration Test Tone in the Audio Processing section of the Setup Menu. I am using the 5.1 downmix.

Sometimes when selecting either the Surround Left or Surround Right the Test Tone plays from the corresponding Front speaker at the same time it is playing from the Surround speaker. If I turn off the 105 and go back to play the Test Tone the issue does not occur. If I select HDMI - Back (my cable box is connected) as my input and then go back to Home Menu and play the Test Tone the issue reappears.

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^ This is due to the Stereo Signal setting getting confused. Toggle it to DOWN-MIXED STEREO and back to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT to cure this.
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You are correct. I'll post a little guide later today in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1336046/ripping-blu-rays-ii

Until then, look at a utility called tsMuxeR which has a demux mode for splitting out components from Blu-ray structures.

Or, if your subtitles are already in MKV, I expect mkvextract (part of the package that includes mkvmerge) will copy them out.

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I used MKVExtract to obtain an IDX file from one of my MKV files and then used MKVMerge to combine this IDX with the original MKV file. I used the default settings for both procedures.The resultant new MKV plays fine within JRiverMC. I can select either the original PGS subtitles or the new VobSub titles and they both look the same. However, when I play this new MKV on the Oppo via DLNA the VobSub subtitles are in green rather than white and the text is rather blurred and indistinct.

Any idea what might be going wrong?

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I used MKVExtract to obtain an IDX file from one of my MKV files and then used MKVMerge to combine this IDX with the original MKV file. I used the default settings for both procedures.The resultant new MKV plays fine within JRiverMC. I can select either the original PGS subtitles or the new VobSub titles and they both look the same. However, when I play this new MKV on the Oppo via DLNA the VobSub subtitles are in green rather than white and the text is rather blurred and indistinct.

Any idea what might be going wrong?

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I've seen that once, but it is not the usual case. So no, I don't know what is happening.

I always use tsMuxeR to extract the subtitle file directly from the BR backup; start at BDMV/PLAYLIST/somefile.mpls. You might try that as an experiment and see what happens.

I would suggest the BR ripping thread for further discussions of this.

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^ This is due to the Stereo Signal setting getting confused. Toggle it to DOWN-MIXED STEREO and back to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT to cure this.
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With all due respect that is a temporary fix. The issue will keep arising. The only cure is when OPPO provides the firmware upgrade.

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^ Quite correct. It is a "workaround" for when the problem arises. Note that the bug doesn't just screw up the test tones. It also screws up real content audio played on the multi-channel Analog outputs.

I've been pushing for this bug fix seems like forever. There must be something particularly tricky going on here that blocks an easy fix.

Personally, I'm now in the habit of toggling that Stereo Signal setting each time I start something new. Even if I'm not planning on using the multi-channel Analog outs. It's faster to just do that instead of checking whether it NEEDS to be done.
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^ Quite correct. It is a "workaround" for when the problem arises. Note that the bug doesn't just screw up the test tones. It also screws up real content audio played on the multi-channel Analog outputs.

I've been pushing for this bug fix seems like forever. There must be something particularly tricky going on here that blocks an easy fix.

Personally, I'm now in the habit of toggling that Stereo Signal setting each time I start something new. Even if I'm not planning on using the multi-channel Analog outs. It's faster to just do that instead of checking whether it NEEDS to be done.
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Exactly. And you might be listening to something and not realize the issue is going on because all the speakers are still "working" but in reality the surround field is messed up. This is a nasty and serious problem. I think every 105 owner can create an impact on OPPO by emailing them with your own concerns about this issue.

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^ The Asynchronous USB DAC Input is used to replace the stereo sound card in a computer. You would use it when you want to play the stereo audio on the computer -- using software ON THE COMPUTER to select and process the audio files -- and have the OPPO 105 act as its sound output. I.e., instead of buying an "external DAC" for that purpose. The computer is rendering the audio files into stereo LPCM and the OPPO is doing the conversion to Analog for output to the amp. Why not use, say, an HDMI connection from the computer? Well perhaps your computer doesn't have HDMI output, or perhaps its HDMI output is tied up in some other use.

And some folks mistrust HDMI and believe Asynchronous USB will give a cleaner transfer of the bits. It may be as simple as you don't want to have to deal with the inevitable "handshakes" each time the format changes on the HDMI connection. Or perhaps you want to be able to use the video of the computer for some OTHER purpose -- maybe actually using it as a computer -- while the audio is still playing in the background.

The implementation of the Asynchronous USB DAC Input is such that audio played that way is UNPROCESSED in the OPPO. The signal goes DIRECT to the DACS and is converted to stereo Analog output without going through Crossover processing or speaker distance adjustments, or etc. This is not necessarily "better". Some folks NEED the OPPO to do Crossover processing for example, and so the Asynchronous DAC Input is not much use to them. The reason it was implemented this way is simply a result of the hardware available. That Asynchronous DAC Input is fed into the DACs via a different hardware path than other digital audio.

Basically it gives you another way to hook things up, and you can experiment and see which you like better.
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Absolutely - many different ways to use this system. Will simply add that audio processing can be easily bypassed. For example, set all your speakers to large and no cross-over processing is performed. Set all your trim settings to 0.0 and distance processing is avoided. Etc...

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^ This is due to the Stereo Signal setting getting confused. Toggle it to DOWN-MIXED STEREO and back to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT to cure this.
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Bob,

but if the user has the setting at downmix 5.1 wouldn't you toggle it to down-mix stereo and then back to 5.1?

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^ Quite correct. It is a "workaround" for when the problem arises. Note that the bug doesn't just screw up the test tones. It also screws up real content audio played on the multi-channel Analog outputs.

I've been pushing for this bug fix seems like forever. There must be something particularly tricky going on here that blocks an easy fix.

Personally, I'm now in the habit of toggling that Stereo Signal setting each time I start something new. Even if I'm not planning on using the multi-channel Analog outs. It's faster to just do that instead of checking whether it NEEDS to be done.
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Exactly. And you might be listening to something and not realize the issue is going on because all the speakers are still "working" but in reality the surround field is messed up. This is a nasty and serious problem. I think every 105 owner can create an impact on OPPO by emailing them with your own concerns about this issue.

If you don't want to have to worry about this, then don't use the Dedicated Stereo Analog Outputs (RCA pair or XLR pair) as part of your multi-channel Analog audio cabling. I.e., just use the regular multi-channel Analog RCA jacks for Left Front and Right Front.

This bug can only strike if you are using the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the normal, multi-channel LF/RF while playing multi-channel content. I.e,. with Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT set.

I've gotten used to toggling Stereo Signal, so I continue to use the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the multi-channel LF/RF. But if you'd rather not worry about that while waiting for a proper fix from OPPO, then just use the normal, multi-channel LF/RF outputs.

So far, I'm aware of two ways of triggering this bug (i.e, requiring you to toggle the Stereo Signal setting as a workaround -- a temporary fix). One is the item you found about selecting the rear HDMI Input.

The other is a strange combination of playing multi-channel tracks followed by playing stereo tracks from the Internet apps. E.g., DD+ 7.1 from VUDU followed by LPCM 2.0 from Pandora.

There may be other ways, but those are the only two I know of.
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but if the user has the setting at downmix 5.1 wouldn't you toggle it to down-mix stereo and then back to 5.1?

Cheers.

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I don't believe the problem arises the other way -- i.e., a setting of Stereo Signal DOWN-MIXED STEREO being mistakenly executed as if the setting was FRONT LEFT/RIGHT. So if you use DOWN-MIXED STEREO, I *THINK* you don't have anything to worry about. But if you spot a problem, then yes, toggle Stereo Signal to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT and then back to DOWN-MIXED STEREO.

Please read carefully here. The setting we are talking about is Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal, which configures the function of the Dedicated Stereo Analog Outputs. The bug, when it arises, is that the opposite choice is used rather than the one you've set in Setup.

There is a SEPARATE setting -- Setup > Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration > Down Mix -- which is not involved in this. You don't have to toggle that one to deal with this.

To see if the Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT setting is currently malfunctioning, the easiest test is to go into the built in test tones (Setup > Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration) and play a test tone for any Surround speaker. If that test tone is ALSO coming out of the FRONT speaker on the same side then the bug is active. Toggle the Stereo Signal setting to fix that (temporarily).
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This bug can only strike if you are using the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the normal, multi-channel LF/RF while playing multi-channel content. I.e,. with Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT set.

I've gotten used to toggling Stereo Signal, so I continue to use the Dedicated L/R in lieu of the multi-channel LF/RF. But if you'd rather not worry about that while waiting for a proper fix from OPPO, then just use the normal, multi-channel LF/RF outputs.

So far, I'm aware of two ways of triggering this bug (i.e, requiring you to toggle the Stereo Signal setting as a workaround -- a temporary fix). One is the item you found about selecting the rear HDMI Input.

The other is a strange combination of playing multi-channel tracks followed by playing stereo tracks from the Internet apps. E.g., DD+ 7.1 from VUDU followed by LPCM 2.0 from Pandora.

There may be other ways, but those are the only two I know of.
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I have found the DOWN-MIX bug is triggered by selecting the USB Input.
It is corrected after cycling the power so I just turn the player off after listening to music or any function before playing movies.

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I don't believe the problem arises the other way -- i.e., a setting of Stereo Signal DOWN-MIXED STEREO being mistakenly executed as if the setting was FRONT LEFT/RIGHT. So if you use DOWN-MIXED STEREO, I *THINK* you don't have anything to worry about. But if you spot a problem, then yes, toggle Stereo Signal to FRONT LEFT/RIGHT and then back to DOWN-MIXED STEREO.

Please read carefully here. The setting we are talking about is Setup > Audio Processing > Stereo Signal, which configures the function of the Dedicated Stereo Analog Outputs. The bug, when it arises, is that the opposite choice is used rather than the one you've set in Setup.

There is a SEPARATE setting -- Setup > Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration > Down Mix -- which is not involved in this. You don't have to toggle that one to deal with this.

To see if the Stereo Signal FRONT LEFT/RIGHT setting is currently malfunctioning, the easiest test is to go into the built in test tones (Setup > Audio Processing > Speaker Configuration) and play a test tone for any Surround speaker. If that test tone is ALSO coming out of the FRONT speaker on the same side then the bug is active. Toggle the Stereo Signal setting to fix that (temporarily).
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Got it, thanks. The problem here though is that this is where the test tones are found (in the speaker configuration and not in the audio processing).

Cheers.
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So the best is to use Multichannel analog for SACD MultiChannels and XLR just for Stereo :) yes!


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10, 15 feet?

12' did not work for me from an iMac
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Hi, guys. I've read some of the pages on this forum, searched here and on the internet and I still need help.

I just got a 105 and have set it up. I have good internet connection through either an ethernet cable or through the wi-fi. But I cannot stream anything from the Mac Mini I have in the other room. The 105 sees the Mac (and the Time Machine), lets me select music, then asks me for a username and a password. I can never seem to get past this stage. I've used every permutation of my computer/network username. My Marantz pre-pro works with Airplay (sometimes) and I stream music with an Apple TV all the time (the password it uses is the same as my computer pw, but no luck on the Oppo).

I guess I'm asking if it's a matter or not having the right username/pw or do I need some other software? I have iTunes on my Mac Mini and that's pretty much it (except for Pure Music).

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Is there any way to set a fixed volume level on the oppo on every startup.

This helps if we are using a direct connection of Oppo to an Amp. If the last volume level was pretty high then it could damage the speakers.
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Is there any way to set a fixed volume level on the oppo on every startup.

This helps if we are using a direct connection of Oppo to an Amp. If the last volume level was pretty high then it could damage the speakers.

Not in the current firmware.
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Is there any way to set a fixed volume level on the oppo on every startup. This helps if we are using a direct connection of Oppo to an Amp. If the last volume level was pretty high then it could damage the speakers.

Good idea, send an email to OPPO

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12' did not work for me from an iMac

You might try a powered USB cable, I have one that I have used from my PC to the 105.

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Is there any way to set a fixed volume level on the oppo on every startup.

This helps if we are using a direct connection of Oppo to an Amp. If the last volume level was pretty high then it could damage the speakers.

I run into the same problem. 70 or 80 to watch DVD's or Blu-rays. TV at 50. Play a CD and get my ears blasted. I have set the trim levels of my speakers low so I don't blow them. Specially after a Factory Reset.

With dual subs, stack'em in the corner and put on a jockstrap. Don't want EVERYTHING in the room jingling!
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