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Well everything is a selling ploy of course. But direct (unprocessed) access to the DACs was one of the most requested features.
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Bob, I don't see any added benefit the usb dac interface provides that the other 105 interfaces don't provide already. There's too many limitations with the usb dac (no multi-channel, no dsd). Sure, I know it's supposed to be a bare-bones, unprocessed, direct access to the dacs, but you can achieve the same functionality with the other interfaces by turning off all audio processing, right? I think the 105's network-ability, along with its audiophile dacs are its key features. I'm almost certain 99% of the 105 users could live without a usb dac interface....no loss whatsoever.
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Bob, I don't see any added benefit the usb dac interface provides that the other 105 interfaces don't provide already. There's too many limitations with the usb dac (no multi-channel, no dsd). Sure, I know it's supposed to be a bare-bones, unprocessed, direct access to the dacs, but you can achieve the same functionality with the other interfaces by turning off all audio processing, right? I think the 105's network-ability, along with its audiophile dacs are its key features. I'm almost certain 99% of the 105 users could live without a usb dac interface....no loss whatsoever.

All true as far as it goes, but the source for the USB input can play ANYTHING through it without respect for what files types or formats the player supports. In the case of a PC, that means that anything your PC is playing can be output through the Oppo. Might not mean much to you but for some folks is a big deal.
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All true as far as it goes, but the source for the USB input can play ANYTHING through it without respect for what files types or formats the player supports. In the case of a PC, that means that anything your PC is playing can be output through the Oppo. Might not mean much to you but for some folks is a big deal.
rdgrimes, I'm not understanding your comments with regards to the 105's usb dac interface. It can only play 2 channel audio, no matter what format you originally store your digital files on your pc. ?? And how do you trust that the sw on your pc is not reconverting/changing the digital files in a negative way before outputting the audio stream serially? I'd rather be uploading to the 105 an intact/unmodified digital file (as stored on my network drive) for internal processing....no pc serial sw needed. Plus, on a serial interface, is there any guaranteed data integrity (parity check/crc ?), as a network protocol (tcp, smb/cifs) provides?
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So I got mine this weekend, and the thing is just beautiful. I kind of wonder how much of that msrp is put into packaging and build quality, but no matter. It's quite the device. One question though that I'm having issues with.

Is it not possible to shuffle a hierarchy of folders from a USB drive? So for example my structure is this:

Drive > Music > Artist > Albums within artist > Songs within album.

Is there no way for me to shuffle this entire drive? I can't figure it out.

I'm not at the player, but in the upper right of the file browser is a sorting selection: Albums, Artists, Songs, Folders, etc. What happens if you select Songs and then Shuffle or Random?

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I see that it works, but it seems to shuffle every song on the drive, not just in the folder hierarchy that I'm currently in. So I have my music in one folder hierarchy, and the Mrs hierarchy in another. I wish I could just have it shuffle all my music without including hers, but that doesn't appear to be possible.
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I see that it works, but it seems to shuffle every song on the drive, not just in the folder hierarchy that I'm currently in. So I have my music in one folder hierarchy, and the Mrs hierarchy in another. I wish I could just have it shuffle all my music without including hers, but that doesn't appear to be possible.
You need to ask Oppo to provide "His and Her" Shuffling in the next firmware update.....lol
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The last thing I would wish is to be a PITA but if you are able to run a test on your Startech USB cable without too much hassle then it would certainly be very useful (if it genuinely proves to be a PITA then please don't do it). My Scottish origins mean that I would prefer to avoid buying a cable that doesn't work!
I ran a quick test a few hours ago. While it "worked", it didn't work well as the audio stuttered pretty badly. This was with J River Media Center and I didn't think to try the different sound modes (Direct Sound, ASIO, WASAPI, etc.) at the time before disconnecting it - it's possible that 1 or more of the sound modes I didn't try could work. If I get a chance, I'll hook it up again and try the various sound modes. Now keep in mind, that the Startech item I'm using isn't just an active USB cable - it also serves as a USB hub. It's quite possible that simple active USB cables might work better for this application.
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I ran a quick test a few hours ago. While it "worked", it didn't work well as the audio stuttered pretty badly. This was with J River Media Center and I didn't think to try the different sound modes (Direct Sound, ASIO, WASAPI, etc.) at the time before disconnecting it - it's possible that 1 or more of the sound modes I didn't try could work. If I get a chance, I'll hook it up again and try the various sound modes. Now keep in mind, that the Startech item I'm using isn't just an active USB cable - it also serves as a USB hub. It's quite possible that simple active USB cables might work better for this application.

I tried used a powered USB cable a while back and it worked fine.
I will dig it out tomorrow and test it again with the latest driver.

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Can anybody comment on the DAC quality of the OPPO 105 Vs the Audioquest Dragonfly. I almost bought the Dragonfly until I discovered that it will not work with Vista. I am assuming that with the 105, I will be able to plug in my laptop and playback High rez downloads from sources like HD Tracks.

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Can anybody comment on the DAC quality of the OPPO 105 Vs the Audioquest Dragonfly. I almost bought the Dragonfly until I discovered that it will not work with Vista. I am assuming that with the 105, I will be able to plug in my laptop and playback High rez downloads from sources like HD Tracks.
My boss has a dragonfly. It is a nice little dongle, but I don't think it even come close to Oppo DACs.
Dragonfly has 24-bit ESS DAC. Oppo has two absolutely top of the line ESS 9018 32bit DACs
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I ran a quick test a few hours ago. While it "worked", it didn't work well as the audio stuttered pretty badly. This was with J River Media Center and I didn't think to try the different sound modes (Direct Sound, ASIO, WASAPI, etc.) at the time before disconnecting it - it's possible that 1 or more of the sound modes I didn't try could work. If I get a chance, I'll hook it up again and try the various sound modes. Now keep in mind, that the Startech item I'm using isn't just an active USB cable - it also serves as a USB hub. It's quite possible that simple active USB cables might work better for this application.

Many thanks for running that test on my behalf. It's much appreciated. After our last conversation here I asked Oppo tech support if the USB DAC input officially supports gapless playback but have yet to receive an answer.

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I tried used a powered USB cable a while back and it worked fine.
I will dig it out tomorrow and test it again with the latest driver.

- Rich

Thanks for that, Rich.

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I asked Oppo tech support if the USB DAC input officially supports gapless playback but have yet to receive an answer.
Gapless playback depends on the streaming solution you hook there. I was using the Oppo`s USB DAC for my Squeezebox Touch (with the EDO app). It worked superb.
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Gapless playback depends on the streaming solution you hook there. I was using the Oppo`s USB DAC for my Squeezebox Touch (with the EDO app). It worked superb.

Thanks for that encouragement. Previous posts here left me pretty confident that the USB DAC would support gapless playback (driven from a suitable server). My only reason for checking the official position with Oppo was to make sure it wasn't an undocumented feature that was at risk of future removal - a very unlikely scenario.

In reality, I am just waiting for RichB's test of an active USB cable before I buy one and give this a go for myself.

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Asynchronous USB is always gapless since the computer is doing all the decoding and processing, and the player is just doing the DAC.
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I am looking at the 105 to replace my 83/Onkyo PR-SC885P pre/pro combo. Yes, I am thinking analog outputs on the 105 direct to the amps, and using the dedicated L/R in place of FL/FR for additional 2 channel resolution. From a SQ perspective I am mainly concerned about SACD disk, DSD file, and hires FLAC file playback. File playback can be DLNA, CIFS, or USB, doesn't really matter to me as long as I get DSD direct to the chip. Based on some discussions I have found, the 9018 DAC will still do DSD decoding and pass the signal to the digital volume controls without an LPCM conversion midstep. This is critical to me. Can anyone confirm that the volume controls work as expected with SACD playback? I would also love to know if this is the case with DSD file playback (multichannel if possible).

Has anyone run into issues directly driving amps?

My room is in great shape (dedicated listening room, room in room design with great absorption). This seems like a good chance at removing a bunch of circuitry that I don't need from the signal path.
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^ Hello patchesj. You definitely picked the right media player to accomplish your goals of a stripped-down, more pure audio path to your power amp. Currently, the 105 will only play dsd audio via cifs/smb (non-Win8), a usb drive connected to the 105, or an sacd disk. I have a NAS in my home network, and the 105 accesses it flawlessly (without a pc on). You can use either Oppo's built in player software (viewed with your tv/projector) or Oppo's ios app (MediaControl HD for iPad), to access your connected media/network drives to play dsd audio. If you have any active hdmi components connected to your 105 (tv ?) that don't support dsd, you'll just have to turn off the hdmi audio on the 105 to prevent the player from converting the dsd stream to pcm (88Khz, 24 bit) for all its outputs. DSD-direct to analog can't be accomplished if the 105 has to process a pcm stream. Also, with dsd-direct to analog, the 105's audio processing section is bypassed (no crossover, distance, down-mixing)...something to think about if you're playing multi-channel dsd files.

Depending on your input sensitiviy of your power amp (rca or xlr), you'll probably end up with a limited 105 volume range (maybe 1-50 ??), but that's perfectly okay. That also depends on the default gain recorded on your digital audio files too. On my system (105 direct to power amp), some digital files are loud enough with a 105 volume of 25-30, while other files are fine at 15 (I don't listen at deafening db's). Some users have run into not being able to play their music quiet enough, if needed (a 105 vol setting of 1 is not low enough). Again, that will depend on your input sensitivity of your amp and the default gain of your audio files/tracks). A word of caution if you connect the 105 direct to a power amp: whenever you decide to update your 105's firmware, doing a reset after the update(often recommended) will set the105's volume to a max setting (100). You'll have to always remember to drop the 105 volume way down after resetting your 105 before powering up your amp, or risk frying your speakers.

I wish you all the best in your goals. I think you will be quite impressed at your new-found fidelity with your 105. I sure am!!
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Should I expect pauses in DVDs that have been produced on demand (it just happened now with "The Casino Murder Case" in the "Philo Vance Murder Case Collection" from the Warner Brothers Archive Collection at 1h 18m 16s). I was able to repeat the pause, but this second time the movie started again after several seconds. I guess I'm wondering if I should expect the BDP-105 to handle this better than other players or if it's just the nature of these discs. The first time it happened I had to power off the OPPO - is there a more graceful way to handle the situation if the movie doesn't start playing again? Finally, do I run the risk of doing any damage to my player?
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Should I expect pauses in DVDs that have been produced on demand (it just happened now with "The Casino Murder Case" in the "Philo Vance Murder Case Collection" from the Warner Brothers Archive Collection at 1h 18m 16s). I was able to repeat the pause, but this second time the movie started again after several seconds. I guess I'm wondering if I should expect the BDP-105 to handle this better than other players or if it's just the nature of these discs. The first time it happened I had to power off the OPPO - is there a more graceful way to handle the situation if the movie doesn't start playing again? Finally, do I run the risk of doing any damage to my player?

DVD-R should play no differently than any other DVD.

How long is the pause? Are you saying the player locks up and has to be restarted?

Is this not happening with normal DVDs?

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^ Hello patchesj. You definitely picked the right media player to accomplish your goals of a stripped-down, more pure audio path to your power amp. Currently, the 105 will only play dsd audio via cifs/smb (non-Win8), a usb drive connected to the 105, or an sacd disk. I have a NAS in my home network, and the 105 accesses it flawlessly (without a pc on). You can use either Oppo's built in player software (viewed with your tv/projector) or Oppo's ios app (MediaControl HD for iPad), to access your connected media/network drives to play dsd audio. If you have any active hdmi components connected to your 105 (tv ?) that don't support dsd, you'll just have to turn off the hdmi audio on the 105 to prevent the player from converting the dsd stream to pcm (88Khz, 24 bit) for all its outputs. DSD-direct to analog can't be accomplished if the 105 has to process a pcm stream. Also, with dsd-direct to analog, the 105's audio processing section is bypassed (no crossover, distance, down-mixing)...something to think about if you're playing multi-channel dsd files.

Depending on your input sensitiviy of your power amp (rca or xlr), you'll probably end up with a limited 105 volume range (maybe 1-50 ??), but that's perfectly okay. That also depends on the default gain recorded on your digital audio files too. On my system (105 direct to power amp), some digital files are loud enough with a 105 volume of 25-30, while other files are fine at 15 (I don't listen at deafening db's). Some users have run into not being able to play their music quiet enough, if needed (a 105 vol setting of 1 is not low enough). Again, that will depend on your input sensitivity of your amp and the default gain of your audio files/tracks). A word of caution if you connect the 105 direct to a power amp: whenever you decide to update your 105's firmware, doing a reset after the update(often recommended) will set the105's volume to a max setting (100). You'll have to always remember to drop the 105 volume way down after resetting your 105 before powering up your amp, or risk frying your speakers.

I wish you all the best in your goals. I think you will be quite impressed at your new-found fidelity with your 105. I sure am!!

In the past I have adjusted the gains on my amplifiers to produce ref level sound in the room at -0. I don't think I've ever actually listened to anything that loud.. I should be able to acheive the same sound levels with the oppo by making the same setup, right?

For music, my main speakers can handle full range just fine so I'm not worried about losing crossover. The front 3 are also set within an inch or so distance wise from my main listening position, delay shouldn't be a problem either, except for the rears. I'm not sure what the "standard" distance adjustment would be in a mulitchannel SACD recording. In any case, most of the disks I listen to just have background information in the rear channel. When I listen to SACD on my current setup, the PR-SC885P in direct mode skips all crossover/delay adjustments as well.

My top concern is the dreaded DSD to PCM conversion, and it sounds like the ES9018 has some magic smoke in there to allow for DSD level control without PCM.
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In the past I have adjusted the gains on my amplifiers to produce ref level sound in the room at -0. I don't think I've ever actually listened to anything that loud.. I should be able to acheive the same sound levels with the oppo by making the same setup, right?

My top concern is the dreaded DSD to PCM conversion, and it sounds like the ES9018 has some magic smoke in there to allow for DSD level control without PCM.
I remember reading a post on the 105 sound quality forum where the user said even with adjustable gain on his amp (a parasound halo amp), he couldn't get the output quiet enough for night time listening without bothering/waking up his other family members. I think if you're playing your music that quiet, a pair of headphones would be better.
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Is there any way to remove black bars on oppo 105 when playing blu ray discs. I can do so by using zoom on remote and then select full. Is there another better way.

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I remember reading a post on the 105 sound quality forum where the user said even with adjustable gain on his amp (a parasound halo amp), he couldn't get the output quiet enough for night time listening without bothering/waking up his other family members. I think if you're playing your music that quiet, a pair of headphones would be better.

That's the beauty of a fully isolated room... I can listen at near Ref levels whenever I want. wink.gif

I have a BDP-83 today, and I've experimented with going direct to the amps. I can get the gains set and have acceptable quiet-loud range via the volume control, I am assuming the 105 would give me a similar range. The downside is the 83's DACs are no where near the quality in my preamp.
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I think I've discovered the one feature that prevents the 105 from becoming a full replacement to my prepro... 12v trigger out. Any thoughts? Manually flipping the power on all of those amps gets old.
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I think I've discovered the one feature that prevents the 105 from becoming a full replacement to my prepro... 12v trigger out. Any thoughts? Manually flipping the power on all of those amps gets old.
If you have the player in energy efficient mode, the 3 USB jacks used to attached hard drives, the wireless dongle, or a keyboard will have 5VDC when the player is on and 0VDC when it's off. Some amps will work with a 5VDC trigger. If not, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a way to convert 5VDC to 12VDC. One option would be to use a relay that's triggered by the 5VDC and a 12VDC wall wart that is switched to your amp(s) via the relay, though it would be a some (simple) assembly required sort of thing.
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Is there any way to remove black bars on oppo 105 when playing blu ray discs. I can do so by using zoom on remote and then select full. Is there another better way.

Thanks,

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Need more info, Bruce.
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Is there any way to remove black bars on oppo 105 when playing blu ray discs. I can do so by using zoom on remote and then select full. Is there another better way.
Using the player's zoom functionality or equivalent functionality on your display are the only ways to do this. Keep in mind though that if you're doing this to a widescreen movie (such as a 2.35:1 aspect ratio) you will either be distorting the image (so faces will appear tall and thin) or you'll be chopping off the sides of the image. Neither of those is desirable to me. I'm not aware of any Bluray discs that letterbox a widescreen movie inside a 4:3 frame like was done on a lot of DVD's, but if you ran into such a case, then the zoom function could be used to make the image fill the width of the display (there would still be black bars on the top and bottom).

I guess the question is why do you want to remove the black bars? If it's simply because "you want to use your entire display", then give some thought to if it's worth it if the picture ends up being distorted (circles are now ovals, squares are now rectangles...) or chopped off. Or limit yourself to movies shot in the 16:9 aspect ratio (1.78:1).
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DVD-R should play no differently than any other DVD.

How long is the pause? Are you saying the player locks up and has to be restarted?

Is this not happening with normal DVDs?

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It happened three times recently. The first time I tried various buttons on the remote, including >> and >>|, and the movie jumped ahead about a minute after some fiddling. The second time trying various things didn't do anything (I think I tried to open the drawer, but I don't have a clear memory of it right now) and after waiting a bit I was able to power off the machine using the "POWER" control on the remote. The third time - and this is when I advanced the movie to the same location it happened in the second time just mentioned - I did nothing and the movie resumed eventually (30/45/60 seconds?) without intervention.

I can't recall this happening with regular DVDs on the BD-105 and I've played many more regular DVDs that DVD-Rs. The power button did work in the second example I gave so the player wasn't totally locked up. The first two discs in the set played without problem and I've played at least one other set of DVD-Rs from Warner Brothers without problem.

To summarize, I needed to restart the BD-105 one of the times, but it didn't require a power cord pull. Also, I don't know what would have happened if I just did nothing. In the future I'll give it several minutes before I try to intervene.
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I think I've discovered the one feature that prevents the 105 from becoming a full replacement to my prepro... 12v trigger out. Any thoughts? Manually flipping the power on all of those amps gets old.

I'm using the usb to directly connect to 2 different emotiva power amps (with 12v trigger inputs) and it works perfectly.

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It happened three times recently. The first time I tried various buttons on the remote, including >> and >>|, and the movie jumped ahead about a minute after some fiddling. The second time trying various things didn't do anything (I think I tried to open the drawer, but I don't have a clear memory of it right now) and after waiting a bit I was able to power off the machine using the "POWER" control on the remote. The third time - and this is when I advanced the movie to the same location it happened in the second time just mentioned - I did nothing and the movie resumed eventually (30/45/60 seconds?) without intervention.

I can't recall this happening with regular DVDs on the BD-105 and I've played many more regular DVDs that DVD-Rs. The power button did work in the second example I gave so the player wasn't totally locked up. The first two discs in the set played without problem and I've played at least one other set of DVD-Rs from Warner Brothers without problem.

To summarize, I needed to restart the BD-105 one of the times, but it didn't require a power cord pull. Also, I don't know what would have happened if I just did nothing. In the future I'll give it several minutes before I try to intervene.

That sounds like bad discs, but if you are seeing more than one or if the discs play on other players, then the player may need to be serviced. Contact OPPO support and see if they have diagnostic or cleaning recommendations. It might be just some fluff on the laser head.

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