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post #7291 of 12049 Old 09-23-2013, 04:36 PM
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A few users have already told you that you don't need an avr with the 105. Someone also suggested you take a look at the Parasound Halo series of amps. That's a great suggestion! You want better audio, upgrade to a dedicated amp, not your avr.

I have used the 105 directly connected to a Parasound A51 and it sounds great.
However, you give up a great a lot of flexibility so I stayed with my AV8801.

I also setup a friend with a 105 and two Outlaw M2200 mono blocks driving his B&W's and it sounds great too.
I disabled Firmware update notifications so that he can consciously update and remember to reset the volume to 40% from 100.

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Yeah that was actually the last thing I tried last night, and same thing. It just didn't sound different enough, if at all, to make me have a different opinion about it.

I suspect your speakers may be the limiting factor here.

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Is there such a thing as an analog 5.1 integrated amp? Is there such a thing as an AVR with Both digital and analog processing?

Thanks again.

There certainly are some 5 channel amps around (without a preamp component) and there are some AVRs that completely bypass any digital processing and allow an analog signal to be passed through, providing only amplifier gain. I have a Pioneer Elite AVR (SC-68) that provides analog without any digitization. There are others out there, though the number shrinks each year. There is also the possibility of buying a used component. I need an AVR with analog abilities because I have other sources which are totally non-digital (like a turntable) and that I do not want to have digitized. Another possibility is the multi-box world of preamp/processors paired with separate amplifiers. It really depends on what your budget and goals are. (BTW, until this year I was part of the pre/pro + separate amp world but needed to simplify my life and my equipment shelf space and so moved to the AVR world. I find the results as pleasing as my old system.

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Is there such a thing as an analog 5.1 integrated amp? Is there such a thing as an AVR with Both digital and analog processing?

The only thing that a 5.1 integrated amp would have over and above a standard multi-channel amp would be the volume control. I have never seen one - most people use a multi-channel pre-pro with multi-channel inputs (some have balanced inputs and outputs) along with a multi-channel amp. Most are very high quality but an expensive extra component just for volume control.

Can you tell us why this is an issue for you? Many of us that have all digital sources are using our Oppo 105s as the control center for our systems. Are you worried about the volume control in the Oppo? I have had mine for 6 months and have never had an issue with the volume control built into the 105.

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I think he likes the analog sound. I think he's looking for natural and realistic sound as much as possible.
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Yes from DVD-ROM, but you'll want to watch files sizes and use UDF formatting when appropriate.

Just to be 100% clear, you mean DVD-r not DVD-ROM ?
File size for DSD is pretty close to 24bit/192k (Wave) which I do all the time from HD tracks & Vinyl rips.
Have you (or anyone here) actually burnt DSD files and played them ??

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To the whole AVR vs. Oppo stereo quality sound:
Here is the solution I went with (not the cheapest but it works for me):

Oppo BDP-105 -> HDMI to Pioneer VSX1121 (The pioneer has pre-outs) for 5.1 content (Blu ray etc)
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Oppo BDP-105 (same player) balanced out to Parasound JC2-BP

Pioneer VSX-1121 pre-out to Parasound JC2-BP

Parasound JC2-BP balanced out to 2 Bel Canto REF 1000 mono blocks for front stereo.

Pioneer onboard amps to surrounds, center channel and subwoofer

Bel Canto mono blocks to Thiel CS 7

Thanks to the Parasound JC2, I can switch between surround or HT bypass for stereo bliss.

The Parasound JC2-BP has had the single biggest impact on my enjoyment of hi-rez stereo audio.
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^ Why not the 105 with a Parasound Halo A51 instead (of the VSX-1121, JC2-BP, Bel Canto trilogy)? Not enough amp stages for home theatre?
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I had the VSX before the other components and basically bought/upgraded as needed.
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Wow. Thanks for all the suggestions. I am just looking for a simple solution for the best sound. It seems like if you want to invest in a 105 you should have a reciever (or amp) which does it justice. Otherwise why bother?. I do not want a lot of different components, although that is really tempting my wife would have a fit.

Of all the suggestions the one that seems best is the Pioneer Elite AVR. Not only does it have an analog stage for the 105, but it has its own Sabre chips for everything else.

Thanks to every one who responded, I think I've found my answer.
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^ Hey Nuro. If you're going the route of a newer Pioneer Elite with 32-bit sabre dacs, I would just keep your 103 instead of buying a 105, unless you have a lot of money to burn.
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It seems like if you want to invest in a 105 you should have a reciever (or amp) which does it justice. Otherwise why bother?.

Bingo! The sound quality will be as good as your weakest link.

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Wow. Thanks for all the suggestions. I am just looking for a simple solution for the best sound. It seems like if you want to invest in a 105 you should have a reciever (or amp) which does it justice. Otherwise why bother?. I do not want a lot of different components, although that is really tempting my wife would have a fit.

Of all the suggestions the one that seems best is the Pioneer Elite AVR. Not only does it have an analog stage for the 105, but it has its own Sabre chips for everything else.

Thanks to every one who responded, I think I've found my answer.

For the best sound out of the 105, the best way to hook it up is straight to an amp. That's my setup.

I agree with Dan. If your going to get an AVR for its DAC's, get the 103. Use the $700 saved and get a real nice AVR.

Life without bass is not worth living.
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Gapless playback via USB DAC input using active USB cable

This is just an update relating to a conversation I had here a week or so ago. I went ahead and ordered a 10m StarTech active USB cable to connect my PC (running J River MC) to the asynchronous USB DAC input of the Oppo. As hoped for, this resulted in my first experience of gapless playback from the Oppo - thus providing a huge improvement for listening to classical music smile.gif.

However, I'm still keen for Oppo to deliver on their promise of a future firmware upgrade to enable gapless playback via DLNA. That's the key to a low power music solution that cuts the PC out of the equation (I would simply use MinimServer on my Synology NAS and BubbleUPnP on my Android phone as the control point, both apps being particularly well suited to the needs of classical music).

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However, I'm still keen for Oppo to deliver on their promise of a future firmware upgrade to enable gapless playback via DLNA.
Where did they promise gapless over DLNA?
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Just to be 100% clear, you mean DVD-r not DVD-ROM ?
File size for DSD is pretty close to 24bit/192k (Wave) which I do all the time from HD tracks & Vinyl rips.
Have you (or anyone here) actually burnt DSD files and played them ??

Thanks
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To answer my own question:

Hi Todd,

DSD files burned to a DVD will play, so long as you are creating the DVD as a data disc. In that way, it is similar to accessing the file off of a USB hard drive.
If an SACD ISO is burned to a DVD, it will not play in the player.

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Gapless playback via USB DAC input using active USB cable...

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David. I have about a 1/2 second gap between tracks when the 105 reads the tracks of an album from my Synology NAS. No pc required. I'm just using the 105's built-in network sw, and I believe a cifs/smb client is running on my NAS. I know it's not 0 seconds (and not dlna), but darn close.
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I am just looking for a simple solution for the best sound. It seems like if you want to invest in a 105 you should have a reciever (or amp) which does it justice. Otherwise why bother?. I do not want a lot of different components, although that is really tempting my wife would have a fit.

Of all the suggestions the one that seems best is the Pioneer Elite AVR. Not only does it have an analog stage for the 105, but it has its own Sabre chips for everything else.

I don't think a system can get any simpler than direct from the Oppo to an amp and you would have the same number of "boxes" either way:

Oppo BD -> Amp (7 channel) -> Speakers
BD player -> AVR (7 channel) -> Speakers

The problem that I have with AVRs is that to get the features and power that you want you have to buy a flagship model and those premium amplifiers are embedded in a component with current video switching and surround decoding - anything needs to be upgraded you have to replace the AVR including perfectly good amps. I had my previous 5 channel amp for 15+ years - I upgraded because I WANTED to, not because I had to. With the Oppo, when a new disc format / surround encoding comes out I replace the disc player and possibly the TV - not the amp.
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Where did they promise gapless over DLNA?
David provided a reply he received from Oppo a couple weeks back (see post #7178). He interpreted Oppo's response as providing gapless playback via dlna in a future fw release.

After reading a few discussions on JRiver's forum, it seems that gapless playback over dlna is supported by them, as long as the dlna renderer/player supports some dlna interface action via its "AvTransport" service. (SetNextAVTransportURI action).
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To the whole AVR vs. Oppo stereo quality sound:
Here is the solution I went with (not the cheapest but it works for me):

Thanks to the Parasound JC2, I can switch between surround or HT bypass for stereo bliss. The Parasound JC2-BP has had the single biggest impact on my enjoyment of hi-rez stereo audio.

I think I get it - where is the bass management done? Do you have subs? (Maybe not with those monstrous mains) Do you run the Pioneer bass management with "large" fronts and sub "none"?

2 Channel
Oppo BDP-105 balanced out to Parasound JC2-BP
Parasound JC2-BP balanced out to 2 Bel Canto REF 1000 mono blocks
Bel Canto mono blocks to Thiel CS 7

Multi-channel
Oppo BDP-105 HDMI to Pioneer VSX1121 (Pioneer pre-outs for front L/R?)
Pioneer VSX-1121 pre-out to Parasound JC2-BP
Engage Parasound JC2-BP HT bypass
Pioneer onboard amps to surrounds, center channel and subwoofer
2 Channel system above for front L /R

This is how mine is setup using the Oppo's surround decoding and a separate amp for the surround / back speakers

2-Channel System (incorporated into Home Theater System Below as L/R Front)
Oppo BDP-105, Balanced Output to Preamp
Adcom GFP-750 Preamp, Balanced Output to Crossover
Bryston 10B Sub Crossover, Balanced Output to Amp (High Pass @ 80Hz), RCA Output to Sub EQ (Low Pass @ 80Hz)
Bryston 4BSST2 amp (2x300w), Balanced Input from Crossover / Paradigm Signature S4 v.2 (L/R Front)
SVS AS-EQ1 Sub EQ / Bass Room Correction, RCA Outputs to Subs
(2) SVS SB12-NSD 12” Acoustic Suspension Subs, RCA Inputs

Home Theater System (uses 2-Channel system above for “Large” L/R Front)
Oppo BDP-105 (Internal Surround Processor / Internal 7.1 Analog Volume Control)
Engage Adcom preamp HT Bypass, Oppo RCA L/R Outputs to Preamp bypass input
Bryston 4BSST2 amp (2x300w), RCA Input for Center / Paradigm Reference Studio CC-590
Outlaw 7700 amp (7x200w), RCA Input for LS/RS/LB/RB / (4) Def Tech UIW-RSSII w/ In-Wall Enclosures

2-Ch (HT L/R): Oppo BDP-105 BD, Adcom GFP-750 pre, Bryston 10B Sub Xover, Bryston 4BSST2 / Paradigm Signature S4 v.2 (L/R), (2) SVS SB12-NSD (Subs)
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David provided a reply he received from Oppo a couple weeks back (see post #7178). He interpreted Oppo's response as providing gapless playback via dlna in a future fw release.

The information from Oppo was pretty specific. No interpretation or reading between the lines was required. I asked them the following numbered questions:
  1. I have already established that the Oppo BDP-105EU does not support gapless playback of FLAC files via DLNA (either when files are 'pulled' from a DLNA server by the Oppo, or when a DLNA server 'pushes' the files to the Oppo). Is this limitation ever likely to be fixed by a future Oppo firmware update or is it an inherent limitation of the BDP-105 hardware?
  2. My tests also suggest that the HDMI input on the back of the Oppo also lacks gapless playback capability. Is this limitation ever likely to be fixed by a future Oppo firmware update or is it an inherent limitation of the BDP-105 hardware?

The answers from an OPPO European Support Engineer were:
  1. Gapless playback is under development and will be added in a future firmware, i have no date for this yet.
  2. The plan is that the HDMI input also will support gapless playback if possible.

I then asked the question "I realise that you cannot make any specific commitment as to when Oppo will release firmware to enable gapless playback via DLNA but when you refer to 'future firmware' are you thinking about months or years?". His reply was "Most likely months but i cannot specify anything at this time".

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David. I have about a 1/2 second gap between tracks when the 105 reads the tracks of an album from my Synology NAS. No pc required. I'm just using the 105's built-in network sw, and I believe a cifs/smb client is running on my NAS. I know it's not 0 seconds (and not dlna), but darn close.

I get similar results if I use the cifs/smb connection to my Synology NAS but I have a bias against such a solution as it limits you to a folder-specific view of your music.

When ripping my classical CDs, I normally place the files in a Work folder within an Album folder within a Composer folder. For compilation CDs the files get stored in a Work folder within a Composer folder within an Album folder within my 'Classical compilations' folder. The folder creation is all automated within dBpoweramp. I'm not claiming my chosen folder structure is perfect but it serves the basic purpose of relating the rips to the way the CDs are sorted on my shelves, where composer-specific CDs get sorted in order of composer name and compilation CDs are placed randomly in a separate section.

The only time I ever think about the folder location of my FLAC files is at the time of ripping. As all the files are tagged with Genre, Sub-Genre, Composer, Work, Track, Artist, etc, I only ever use metadata-based browsing. One of the key issues with folder-based browsing is that you have no way of listing all the works of a given composer unless you spread the contents of all compilation CDs across your composer folders. I don't want to do that, as it would break my current straightforward link between CD and file location. Unlike metadata, a folder structure can only ever provide a single way of sorting your music.

The problem of not being able to list all the works of a given composer is only the tip of the iceberg. With a large collection that contains many CDs covering more than one composer, it would be a major test of one's memory to remember which album contains whose music. I find that a real problem with my own CDs and my move to computer-based music is unearthing stuff I had long forgotten (if it wasn't on the CD spine I soon forgot it was there). Metadata rocks!

Also, that half second break is still an irritation when it happens 16 times in a continuous piece of music lasting 25 minutes (ref the Beethoven example I quoted in post #7151)!

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I recorded some digital video material with two different Canon cameras this weekend, one creating .MOV type files and the other creating .AVI type files. When placed on a flash drive and plugged into the 105's front USB connector, all I get is a dialog box saying it can't play either file type. I looked in the manual to see what files types are necessary, but didn't see anything.

I use Macs and have QT Pro and Perian to permit various conversions, but don't know to what file format? I want to convert them to a file format I can burn to DVD, so that I can give the DVD material to friends who were involved in the event I took these stills and movies of. The still photos, of course, are easily burned to DVD, but not these two movie file formats, which have me stumped.

Anyone have a link to simple directions on how to do this?
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I recorded some digital video material with two different Canon cameras this weekend, one creating .MOV type files and the other creating .AVI type files. When placed on a flash drive and plugged into the 105's front USB connector, all I get is a dialog box saying it can't play either file type. I looked in the manual to see what files types are necessary, but didn't see anything.

I use Macs and have QT Pro and Perian to permit various conversions, but don't know to what file format? I want to convert them to a file format I can burn to DVD, so that I can give the DVD material to friends who were involved in the event I took these stills and movies of. The still photos, of course, are easily burned to DVD, but not these two movie file formats, which have me stumped.

Anyone have a link to simple directions on how to do this?
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There is a free utility called "mediainfo". Post the results from that from each file type. It should be clear what codec is not supported.

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Hey guys, question for you.

I've been loving the ability to play .dsd and .dsf files on the 105 but I'm wondering, will the 105 ever be able to play DSD albums in the .iso format? I know it isn't a huge deal to split the .iso files into .dsd and .dsf tracks using a computer, but it would be great to skip this step and play directly from the .iso.

I know computer programs like foobar can do this, but will the 105 ever be able to open .iso DSD albums directly off of a USB stick or a NAS drive?

I apologize if this question has already been asked and answered.

Thanks in advance.
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^ So far as I know, OPPO has made no statement on this. Let's see. *shake shake shake* Oh well...

Ask. Again. Later....The. Future. Is. Hazy.

Seriously, you might email OPPO and ask them. Folks with other questions have found them remarkably forthcoming about future plans.
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Hi there,

I'm a newbie and considering purchasing an Oppo 103/105.

I am confused about the following points :

 

1. Do these Oppo only upscale blu Ray content? Or can they upscale content coming from a comcast box?

2. Can an Apple Tv go through the Oppo? Or does the Apple tv have to go directly into the TV? Will the Oppo upscale anything streamed by Apple tv?

3. Will the Oppo accept a 4k video clip via USB input on a thumb drive? Will it play it back in 4k (assuming the tv is 4k)?

 

thanks

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Hi there,
I'm a newbie and considering purchasing an Oppo 103/105.
I am confused about the following points :

1. Do these Oppo only upscale blu Ray content? Or can they upscale content coming from a comcast box?
2. Can an Apple Tv go through the Oppo? Or does the Apple tv have to go directly into the TV? Will the Oppo upscale anything streamed by Apple tv?
3. Will the Oppo accept a 4k video clip via USB input on a thumb drive? Will it play it back in 4k (assuming the tv is 4k)?

thanks

1. The Oppos can upscale all inputs, including cable boxes, Apple TV, etc., to 1080p, or to 4k (if you have a 4k display) They can also upscale SD DVDs, as can all BluRay players.
2. See #1.
3. I don't think they can accept any 4k material, but others will know more. But they can upscale lower resolutions to 4k resolution, as stated above.
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Hi there,
I'm a newbie and considering purchasing an Oppo 103/105.
I am confused about the following points :

1. Do these Oppo only upscale blu Ray content? Or can they upscale content coming from a comcast box?
2. Can an Apple Tv go through the Oppo? Or does the Apple tv have to go directly into the TV? Will the Oppo upscale anything streamed by Apple tv?
3. Will the Oppo accept a 4k video clip via USB input on a thumb drive? Will it play it back in 4k (assuming the tv is 4k)?

thanks
There is no support in the Oppos for 4k source material, only upscaling to 4K used in conjunction with a 4k display.

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I took Bob's advice and emailed Oppo customer support asking about the ability to play DSD disc .iso files directly.

Apparently the BDP-105 will NOT have the ability to play DSD disc .iso files. Further, Oppo support said that the ability to play SACD-R discs with the 105 won't be returning either.

Bummer.

Guess that settles that.
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